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Knights haven’t looked great for a couple weeks now. As long as Jones doesn’t turn into a sieve, I figured SJ would take this series.

Knights have done a lot to upgrade their forward corps, but their defense is still pretty pedestrian. I still can’t fathom how McPhee lost the inside track on the Karlsson trade. And then he turned around and traded two of their best prospects for Pacioretty and Stone.

Those players have been great for the Knights, but their hole wasn’t at wing.
 
kingsfan28 said:
Cool, I'm glad you're here to tell us that. :thumbu:
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Just saying. Everyone is thinking Quick is the better option for other teams(even in this thread), because we're desperate to get rid of him, but big game Quick hasn't won a lot of big games in a while. That's all. Big game Quick might be some of that Lombardi-style thinking, where current reality doesn't match the myth.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Just saying. Everyone is thinking Quick is the better option for other teams(even in this thread), because we're desperate to get rid of him, but big game Quick hasn't won a lot of big games in a while. That's all. Big game Quick might be some of that Lombardi-style thinking, where current reality doesn't match the myth.
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He was great last year in the playoffs. He gave up 7 goals in 13 periods. His team was getting 15 shots on goal all game. But yeah, that was last year.
 
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SettlementRichie10 said:
Knights haven’t looked great for a couple weeks now. As long as Jones doesn’t turn into a sieve, I figured SJ would take this series.

Knights have done a lot to upgrade their forward corps, but their defense is still pretty pedestrian. I still can’t fathom how McPhee lost the inside track on the Karlsson trade. And then he turned around and traded two of their best prospects for Pacioretty and Stone.

Those players have been great for the Knights, but their hole wasn’t at wing.
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Every team is likely going to have a hole somewhere in a hard cap league, and if you can't fill it, you try and strengthen a strength to make up for the difference. Defensemen aren't easy to get. The Kings in 2012, the only guy they traded for was Greene, and it took another defenseman to get him. Regehr was near the end in 2013. SJ has lucked out that Burns is getting more productive as he hits his mid-30's. Just a never ending motor on that guy. You wouldn't know he was 34.
 
Sharks are gonna win the cup this year no one is gonna stop them. This is the year and it makes me sick to my stomach. Karlsson is gonna be huge for them in the playoffs and he's already picked up to assists.
 
ru4reals said:
Sharks are gonna win the cup this year no one is gonna stop them. This is the year and it makes me sick to my stomach. Karlsson is gonna be huge for them in the playoffs and he's already picked up to assists.
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They have the offense, but I don't think it will be enough to cover that defense and goaltending for the full 16... Too many weaknesses.
 
Telos said:
They have the offense, but I don't think it will be enough to cover that defense and goaltending for the full 16... Too many weaknesses.
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I agree but they're getting as easy of an opponent as you can get in the 2nd round.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Every team is likely going to have a hole somewhere in a hard cap league, and if you can't fill it, you try and strengthen a strength to make up for the difference. Defensemen aren't easy to get. The Kings in 2012, the only guy they traded for was Greene, and it took another defenseman to get him. Regehr was near the end in 2013. SJ has lucked out that Burns is getting more productive as he hits his mid-30's. Just a never ending motor on that guy. You wouldn't know he was 34.
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The Kings didn’t have any major holes in 2012 and 2014. Neither did the Hawks during their Cup runs. There are core positions you need filled if you expect to contend for a championship: #1 and 2 Cs, #1 D and #2 D, and a starting goaltender. Having a weak second line LW is not the same as missing a #1 D. You’re being a little disingenuous here.

Erik Karlsson was available as far back as the 2018 deadline. The Knights had several discussions about him then, and into the summer. Considering what he finally went for to the Sharks, and what the Knights later parted with for Pacioretty and Stone, there’s no other way to interpret that line of events other than “McPhee flubbed the deal.”

The Knights biggest hole was, is, and will continue to be the lack of a #1 D.
 
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He was great last year in the playoffs. His team was getting 15 shots on goal all game. But yeah, that was last year.
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Yeah, that's the tricky part with goalies. How much of the big games that Quick has won in the past, were about Quick, if we're giving him a pass last year for not winning any playoff games because the 18 guys in front of him were completely outclassed? Put a good team, or at least a team that produces, in front of most NHL goalies, and most can win. There are a lot of goalies that have won big games over the years. The whole best big game goalie in the league thing, I mean he's not that special. He's on the unique end in the way he plays the position, but there are other goalies that can win. Have won. Do win.

Hopefully whoever fails in the playoffs wants him in June. It would help speed things up. If Bob were to lose yet again, that would help. As much fun as it is to watch TB lose, it would be better if they crushed Columbus. Same with Calgary. Maybe Lamoriello would want another veteran if the Penguins can get the job done against basically a random NHL goalie.
 
SettlementRichie10 said:
The Kings didn’t have any major holes in 2012 and 2014. Neither did the Hawks during their Cup runs. There are core positions you need filled if you expect to contend for a championship: #1 and 2 Cs, #1 D and #2 D, and a starting goaltender. Having a weak second line LW is not the same as missing a #1 D. You’re being a little disingenuous here.

Erik Karlsson was available as far back as the 2018 deadline. The Knights had several discussions about him then, and into the summer. Considering what he finally went for to the Sharks, and what the Knights later parted with for Pacioretty and Stone, there’s no other way to interpret that line of events other than “McPhee flubbed the deal.”

The Knights biggest hole was, is, and will continue to be the lack of a #1 D.
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Karlsson still hasn't signed a contract, whereas Stone and Pacioretty did the moment they got to Vegas. That could be one reason the trigger wasn't pulled. Who wants to be Dean Lombardi circa 2015/2016, giving resources away for rentals? Why didn't more contenders go after Karlsson if the price was so low? You figure at some point, the Sharks are going to start to age, so if they only get 1 year from Karlsson, well they're trying to win it for Joe.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Yeah, that's the tricky part with goalies. How much of the big games that Quick has won in the past, were about Quick, if we're giving him a pass last year for not winning any playoff games because the 18 guys in front of him were completely outclassed? Put a good team, or at least a team that produces, in front of most NHL goalies, and most can win. There are a lot of goalies that have won big games over the years. The whole best big game goalie in the league thing, I mean he's not that special. He's on the unique end in the way he plays the position, but there are other goalies that can win. Have won. Do win.

Hopefully whoever fails in the playoffs wants him in June. It would help speed things up. If Bob were to lose yet again, that would help. As much fun as it is to watch TB lose, it would be better if they crushed Columbus. Same with Calgary. Maybe Lamoriello would want another veteran if the Penguins can get the job done against basically a random NHL goalie.
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So who's a better big game goalie?

He has been that special. The start of each series in 2012...I mean, the Blues were absolutely shelling him until we pulled our heads out of our asses in 2012. 2013 he carried a team that looked like they were trying to lose and entered the WCF with a .951, even better than the previous year. 2014 his numbers were down but he was literally facing 2 and 3-on-0 breaks...and still made a save on one of them that enabled a comeback.

It's not a revelation that a team needs to score to win a game, but when we needed a timely save or a huge game to win, Quick was there. And Game 2 of last years' playoffs for us, when our top pairing was Martinez-Fantenberg, he held the fort down until it broke. Not sure what else you can ask from a goalie there. Christ, he put up a .947 and 1.55 GAA. He's won, he's lost, he's always battled, and he's never been the reason we lost. There are only a handful of goalies in his class when you talk about the last decade and if I forced you to pick one for a winner-take-all, need-a-high-goalie-ceiling, I'd argue most would pick Quick, especially given he's outplayed most of them head-to-head.

Not sure why we're doing this revisionist thing where we pretend our players were always the shells they are right now. I thought the 'any goalie can do it' replacement-level BS stopped after 2011 ('all you need is league average goaltending' due to the 2010 Leighton thing) but here we are.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Yeah, that's the tricky part with goalies. How much of the big games that Quick has won in the past, were about Quick, if we're giving him a pass last year for not winning any playoff games because the 18 guys in front of him were completely outclassed? Put a good team, or at least a team that produces, in front of most NHL goalies, and most can win. There are a lot of goalies that have won big games over the years. The whole best big game goalie in the league thing, I mean he's not that special. He's on the unique end in the way he plays the position, but there are other goalies that can win. Have won. Do win.

Hopefully whoever fails in the playoffs wants him in June. It would help speed things up. If Bob were to lose yet again, that would help. As much fun as it is to watch TB lose, it would be better if they crushed Columbus. Same with Calgary. Maybe Lamoriello would want another veteran if the Penguins can get the job done against basically a random NHL goalie.
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How many big games has he had a chance to play in since 2014? He had a good team in front in 16', a team that should've made it through a round or two, except the coach was an idiot and found a way to blow a 12 point lead to lose the division. 3 wins over the last 2 weeks would've given them the top seed. So instead of playing a wild card team [Nashville or the Wild], he had to face a highly motivated and with a massive chip on their shoulders in the Sharks. Then when they played the Sharks, Sutter was out coached and completely checked out by game 2. Total shellshock. The series was over no matter what Quick did. You can't win the big games when you're not in them. They have not been any.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Karlsson still hasn't signed a contract, whereas Stone and Pacioretty did the moment they got to Vegas. That could be one reason the trigger wasn't pulled. Who wants to be Dean Lombardi circa 2015/2016, giving resources away for rentals? Why didn't more contenders go after Karlsson if the price was so low? You figure at some point, the Sharks are going to start to age, so if they only get 1 year from Karlsson, well they're trying to win it for Joe.
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The Sharks are one of the oldest teams in the league, they are aging out just like most of the west, and they know this is their last chance for a while. Thornton is 39, Pavelski is 35, so is Burns.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
So who's a better big game goalie?

He has been that special. The start of each series in 2012...I mean, the Blues were absolutely shelling him until we pulled our heads out of our asses in 2012. 2013 he carried a team that looked like they were trying to lose and entered the WCF with a .951, even better than the previous year. 2014 his numbers were down but he was literally facing 2 and 3-on-0 breaks...and still made a save on one of them that enabled a comeback.

It's not a revelation that a team needs to score to win a game, but when we needed a timely save or a huge game to win, Quick was there. And Game 2 of last years' playoffs for us, when our top pairing was Martinez-Fantenberg, he held the fort down until it broke. Not sure what else you can ask from a goalie there. Christ, he put up a .947 and 1.55 GAA. He's won, he's lost, he's always battled, and he's never been the reason we lost. There are only a handful of goalies in his class when you talk about the last decade and if I forced you to pick one for a winner-take-all, need-a-high-goalie-ceiling, I'd argue most would pick Quick, especially given he's outplayed most of them head-to-head.

Not sure why we're doing this revisionist thing where we pretend our players were always the shells they are right now. I thought the 'any goalie can do it' replacement-level BS stopped after 2011 ('all you need is league average goaltending' due to the 2010 Leighton thing) but here we are.
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If Quick had a 0.5 GAA, which would have meant 2 goals in 4 games, Kings only scored 3...lol, still not enough for a sweep. Pathetic. And Blake addressed that with Kovalchuk and firing Stevens for WD. Now Kings draft 5OA. And Tampa might be messing up my bracket.
 
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KingsFan7824 said:
Just saying. Everyone is thinking Quick is the better option for other teams(even in this thread), because we're desperate to get rid of him, but big game Quick hasn't won a lot of big games in a while. That's all. Big game Quick might be some of that Lombardi-style thinking, where current reality doesn't match the myth.
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uh did you miss last years playoffs

1.55 gaa, .947 sv%
 
Dallas quietly beat Nashville...that's one I did not expect at all.

I thought Heiskanen would have a DOughty-like rookie year but he's been even better.
 
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