Prospect Info: 2018-2019 Rangers Prospects Thread (Stats in Post #1; Updated 4.25.19)

[nyr2k2]

Hughes is only 2 points behind Newhook for the team lead. He's also second in points per game (min. 10 games) in the playoffs, of course behind Newhook.

 

[kovazub94]

Ok. Who does this remind you of:

- Drafted in one of the later rounds
- Playing for one of the top teams in the country
- Being sent back to juniors and barely playing at the highest level
- In 2018, Traded to a different team
- Playing top-pair minutes on that new team
- Reaching the play offs with that new team
- Being labeled as one of the best young D-men in the country

Because that's both Rykov and Reunanen

I think @eco's bones 's point was that Rykov had never slipped as low as Reunanen in post draft development so his recovery this season is "optically" more impressive. Personally I've been impressed with their progress this season pretty equally (except for my Russian bias, of course)

 

[Irishguy42]

I think @eco's bones 's point was that Rykov had never slipped as low as Reunanen in post draft development so his recovery this season is "optically" more impressive. Personally I've been impressed with their progress this season pretty equally (except for my Russian bias, of course)

Rykov didn't slip as low as Reunanen b/c he didn't have big injuries two seasons in a row.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I think @eco's bones 's point was that Rykov had never slipped as low as Reunanen in post draft development so his recovery this season is "optically" more impressive. Personally I've been impressed with their progress this season pretty equally (except for my Russian bias, of course)

FYI:

The remarkable journey of two Rangers prospects - FOREVER BLUESHIRTS

I summarized the similarities

 

[nyr2k2]

Rykov didn't slip as low as Reunanen b/c he didn't have big injuries two seasons in a row.

Reunanen dropped in the draft because of the injury in his draft season, but I don't recall him having anything serious thereafter. He was just squeezed out of the lineup by other players.

 

[Irishguy42]

Reunanen dropped in the draft because of the injury in his draft season, but I don't recall him having anything serious thereafter. He was just squeezed out of the lineup by other players.

Sorry, I include recovery-time as part of "injury"

Also thought he had a minor injury on top of his big draft-year injury. But no, it was just part of his recovery time.

 

[Beacon]

Ok. Who does this remind you of:

- Drafted in one of the later rounds
- Playing for one of the top teams in the country
- Being sent back to juniors and barely playing at the highest level
- In 2018, Traded to a different team
- Playing top-pair minutes on that new team
- Reaching the play offs with that new team
- Being labeled as one of the best young D-men in the country

Because that's both Rykov and Reunanen

Except the Russian league is much better than the Finnish league. The Liiga is viewed somewhere between the AHL and the ECHL, while the KHL's top squads would be competitive with NHL's non-playoff teams in a 7-game series. Track how successful top players from the KHL vs top players from Liiga do upon moving to North America.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Except the Russian league is much better than the Finnish league. The Liiga is viewed somewhere between the AHL and the ECHL, while the KHL's top squads would be competitive with NHL's non-playoff teams in a 7-game series. Track how successful top players from the KHL vs top players from Liiga do upon moving to North America.

You completely missed the point. It's not about which country they play in or how "successful"they will be in North America". Spare me your lecture on how they will do once they move over.

This was just about their progress this season which show a lot of similarities. Once they move over, you can preach your wisdom on how every prospect struggles and how nobody will ever achieve anything in the NHL. That's your area of expertise, after all

 

[Beacon]

Once they move over, you can preach your wisdom on how every prospect struggles and how nobody will ever achieve anything in the NHL. That's your area of expertise, after all

Why dont you just block me? Literally 100% of your comments to me is an attempt to start a fight. I'm very bad. Terrible, awful, stupid. Then block my comments and move on with your life.

 

[Don Chytil]

Except the Russian league is much better than the Finnish league. The Liiga is viewed somewhere between the AHL and the ECHL, while the KHL's top squads would be competitive with NHL's non-playoff teams in a 7-game series. Track how successful top players from the KHL vs top players from Liiga do upon moving to North America.

And Mestis is basically a beer league, so since Reunanen didn't produce there we should write him off as a prospect.

..Right?

 

[Beacon]

And Mestis is basically a beer league, so since Reunanen didn't produce there we should write him off as a prospect.

..Right?

HS is actually beer league level, and Vinni went from a meh HS player to scoring in the NHL yesterday, so anything can happen. That said, you'll probably go bankrupt betting on very random HS players to make the NHL.

There's a difference between writing someone off and not relying on him. It's not black or white, it's very different shades of grey.

If you watch the Liiga and tell me that a player there looks like an NHLer, great, I'll take your word for it. But if you judge a player purely based on stats, he better have stats of past guys at the same age who did what you expect him to do. For ex, if a player scored 30 points and 9 of 10 past 30 point scorers in the Liiga failed to make it, and you dont watch the games, just judge on stats, and your expectation is that he makes it, what is that except wishful thinking?

Either way, Rykov is playing well in the KHL and several people saw him play and do well, so high expectations are reasonable. Tarmo is playing at a lower level and unless i missed something, nobody watched him any significant amount of time. High expectations aren't reasonable. But yeah, anything can happen.

 

[Matz03]

Tarmo is a year younger while also missing out on a season due to injury, he has time to develop further In Europe. Rykov will be turning 22 next month, great age to cross the pond this summer.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Tarmo is a year younger while also missing out on a season due to injury, he has time to develop further In Europe. Rykov will be turning 22 next month, great age to cross the pond this summer.

Rykov's rights do not expire though. Gives the Rangers more time

 

[Matz03]

Rykov's rights do not expire though. Gives the Rangers more time

Good point, have to sign Tarmo then with most likely scenario to loan him back. Rykov is at a great age to come over, he's physically there and has a mature game on top of it. It's a good problem to have really.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Good point, have to sign Tarmo then with most likely scenario to loan him back. Rykov is at a great age to come over, he's physically there and has a mature game on top of it. It's a good problem to have really.

Assuming O'Gara leaves, we still have 15 D-men in the system.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk, DeAngelo, Claesson in NY

Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Raddysh, Crawley, Keane, Bigras, Gilmour in CT

Where does Tarmo or Yegor fit in? And I still think Hartford needs 1 or 2 veteran D-men. You can't have a blue-line with an avg age of 22 and expect to win

 

[Matz03]

Assuming O'Gara leaves, we still have 15 D-men in the system.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk, DeAngelo, Claesson in NY

Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Raddysh, Crawley, Keane, Bigras, Gilmour in CT

Where does Tarmo or Yegor fit in? And I still think Hartford needs 1 or 2 veteran D-men. You can't have a blue-line with an avg age of 22 and expect to win

Are Tarmo's rights expiring this summer? If so you sign him but he should stay in Europe. A couple more guys you mentioned above likely won't be here, be it not brought back or summer trades. After that competition is good, I won't complain if Hartford has 8 decent D.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Are Tarmo's rights expiring this summer? If so you sign him but he should stay in Europe. A couple more guys you mentioned above likely won't be here, be it not brought back or summer trades. After that competition is good, I won't complain if Hartford has 8 decent D.

Drafted in 2016, at the age of 18, his rights are retained for 4 years.

CBA page 20, article 8.6 (d) (i)

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Assuming O'Gara leaves, we still have 15 D-men in the system.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk, DeAngelo, Claesson in NY

Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Raddysh, Crawley, Keane, Bigras, Gilmour in CT

Where does Tarmo or Yegor fit in? And I still think Hartford needs 1 or 2 veteran D-men. You can't have a blue-line with an avg age of 22 and expect to win

Bigras is 24 with I think 4 years of AHL experience. Gilmour will be 26 in May.

I think some moves will be made in the offseason and some combo of Pionk, Smith or Shattenkirk will be moved. Keane could start in the ECHL.

I dont think the current picture of the professional dcore will be the same in a few months or prevent them from signing those 2.

 

[eco's bones]

HS is actually beer league level, and Vinni went from a meh HS player to scoring in the NHL yesterday, so anything can happen. That said, you'll probably go bankrupt betting on very random HS players to make the NHL.

There's a difference between writing someone off and not relying on him. It's not black or white, it's very different shades of grey.

If you watch the Liiga and tell me that a player there looks like an NHLer, great, I'll take your word for it. But if you judge a player purely based on stats, he better have stats of past guys at the same age who did what you expect him to do. For ex, if a player scored 30 points and 9 of 10 past 30 point scorers in the Liiga failed to make it, and you dont watch the games, just judge on stats, and your expectation is that he makes it, what is that except wishful thinking?

Either way, Rykov is playing well in the KHL and several people saw him play and do well, so high expectations are reasonable. Tarmo is playing at a lower level and unless i missed something, nobody watched him any significant amount of time. High expectations aren't reasonable. But yeah, anything can happen.

Rangers made a point of broadcasting a profile on Reunanen (and others) last night during the game. They didn't do that for everybody and it should tell you he's on their radar and that the Rangers maybe do have high expectations. Liiga is a very very good league and it's where most of the best Finnish (including most all of the best younger Finnish) players play. Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Finland won the WJC this year. There are a lot of good players that come out of Finland's Liiga to play in the NHL--maybe not as many as the KHL but we're also talking about a much larger population and a much bigger league when we're talking of the KHL. I don't think you give Liiga or Mestis enough credit and Reunanen looks like he might turn into a really good player.

 

[eco's bones]

Assuming O'Gara leaves, we still have 15 D-men in the system.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk, DeAngelo, Claesson in NY

Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Raddysh, Crawley, Keane, Bigras, Gilmour in CT

Where does Tarmo or Yegor fit in? And I still think Hartford needs 1 or 2 veteran D-men. You can't have a blue-line with an avg age of 22 and expect to win

Gilmour's a UFA--there's a pretty decent chance he's not going to be back. Claesson signed as a UFA but he's an RFA now but I'm not sure he'll be back either.

I also think the Rangers are going to do something about their right side. Shattenkirk, Pionk and DeAngelo are too similar in being smallish, puck moving defensemen with defensive issues. To me it's a problem--not that that's important but I think it might be a problem to the Rangers too. Personally if we could find another team for Shattenkirk who seems to have slowed I would be all for it.

 

[eco's bones]

Bigras is 24 with I think 4 years of AHL experience. Gilmour will be 26 in May.

I think some moves will be made in the offseason and some combo of Pionk, Smith or Shattenkirk will be moved. Keane could start in the ECHL.

I dont think the current picture of the professional dcore will be the same in a few months or prevent them from signing those 2.

I don't think Keane is going to end up in the ECHL next year. He is an edgy player with a toolbox and hockey smarts and he's a great skater and very good puck mover. He really is kind of a Tony DeAngelo clone.

 

[kovazub94]

Gilmour's a UFA--there's a pretty decent chance he's not going to be back. Claesson signed as a UFA but he's an RFA now but I'm not sure he'll be back either.

I also think the Rangers are going to do something about their right side. Shattenkirk, Pionk and DeAngelo are too similar in being smallish, puck moving defensemen with defensive issues. To me it's a problem--not that that's important but I think it might be a problem to the Rangers too. Personally if we could find another team for Shattenkirk who seems to have slowed I would be all for it.

Agree about RD side needing an improvement but the Rangers are crowded on the left. Gorton's best trade chip is Skjei and it should be cashed in and converted into RD upgrade. Skjei + Pionk for Trouba makes too much sense. Then even Smith as an 8th D or 4th line forward is bearable.

 

[Joey Bones]

What too 10 prospects can we see coming next season, the guys who will be there in preseason or make the roster that we havent seen yet?

So far, I think the only one confirmed to be coming over is Kravtsov. There was a rumor out last week saying that Virta may come over. Shesterkin and Rykov could be good guesses to come over. You could say Reunanen has a good shot to come over, as well.

So the only top 10 prospects I'd consider coming over is Kravtsov and Shesterkin....

 

[Joey Bones]

Never doubted Tarmo, my guy.

Likewise!! I've always loved that pick!!

 

[Joey Bones]

Assuming O'Gara leaves, we still have 15 D-men in the system.

Skjei, Shattenkirk, Smith, Staal, Pionk, DeAngelo, Claesson in NY

Hajek, Lindgren, Day, Raddysh, Crawley, Keane, Bigras, Gilmour in CT

Where does Tarmo or Yegor fit in? And I still think Hartford needs 1 or 2 veteran D-men. You can't have a blue-line with an avg age of 22 and expect to win

I'll be honest, I don't think Gilmour will be back. Bigras might not get a qualifying offer, either. Which leaves room in the top 4 in Hartford for both Rykov or Reunanen (also assuming that O'Gara leaves, too).

NYR could add a vet for depth, but it could very well end up being a very young blueline....