Line Combos: 2018-19 Roster Thread - Perry who?

[dracom]

Im saying perry doesn't do much as far as getting puck back, playing defense... really anything other then occasionally scoring a point here or there... putting a guy like Kase with Rakell and Getzlaf could be a huge injection into them... he battles for the puck.. he holds on to the puck and makes plays.. plays in all 3 zones.

There is a lot more to the game of hockey than scoring points, and while perry finds ways to stay on the score sheet I mean watching last season I was shocked that perry ended up with that many points because he looked borderline useless majority of games. ... hes not doing a whole lot to improve Getzlaf/Rakells game. The reason I would consider splitting Getzlaf and rakell up... is because getzlaf has shown he can basically get his points no matter who he is playing with.... so throwing rakell on a 2nd line with kase and Henrique ideally helps Henrique/kase increase offensive production, and maybe having Ritchie and eaves/perry with getzlaf helps increase those 2 players out put.

I get what you're saying, but at that point your putting all our offensive threats on one line, which a team could easily shut down and then we have to rely on a streaky Rico playing with Perry to provide offense. Offensive depth is important, we don't have the offensive weapon depth to front load the top line like that. At least with Perry you know Gez and Rakell can still have great seasons and not be a disaster defensively.

I never said all hockey was was just scoring points so not sure why you're bringing that up. Also, that evaluation of Perry is a bit of an exaggeration. Perry is not much of a goal scorer or the same level of player he was years ago, but he's develop a hell of an playmaking game which Rakell has benefited from. That line was strong last season, I believe it can still be strong next season, especially if Perry took training this off-season seriously. We'll have to see on that though.

I would expect Rakell's production to go down slightly or stay the same if he's not playing with Getzlaf honestly. I don't see him becoming a 70+ player with Rico and Kase since neither of them are on the same level as Getzlaf, and they can suffer from consistency issues. Ritchie would really need to improve to be a suitable line mate for Getz and Perry/Eaves to make that line an offensive threat like it was with Rakell, and I'm not confident that he will. I just think we have a great and dangerous threat with Rakell and Getz that should be kept together as long as Getz is still an elite center.

 

[Duck Off]

The lineup looks pretty obvious right now if Kesler is healthy.

Rakell-Getz-Eaves (this line was too good to not see if it will work again)

Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg

Kase-Henrique-Perry

Ritchie-Rowney-Gibbons

Rodin

Unless Steel or Terry dominate in camp, they’ll be in SD, which is fine imo.

 

[Trojans86]

I get what you're saying, but at that point your putting all our offensive threats on one line, which a team could easily shut down and then we have to rely on a streaky Rico playing with Perry to provide offense. Offensive depth is important, we don't have the offensive weapon depth to front load the top line like that. At least with Perry you know Gez and Rakell can still have great seasons and not be a disaster defensively.

I never said all hockey was was just scoring points so not sure why you're bringing that up. Also, that evaluation of Perry is a bit of an exaggeration. Perry is not much of a goal scorer or the same level of player he was years ago, but he's develop a hell of an playmaking game which Rakell has benefited from. That line was strong last season, I believe it can still be strong next season, especially if Perry took training this off-season seriously. We'll have to see on that though.

I would expect Rakell's production to go down slightly or stay the same if he's not playing with Getzlaf honestly. I don't see him becoming a 70+ player with Rico and Kase since neither of them are on the same level as Getzlaf, and they can suffer from consistency issues. Ritchie would really need to improve to be a suitable line mate for Getz and Perry/Eaves to make that line an offensive threat like it was with Rakell, and I'm not confident that he will. I just think we have a great and dangerous threat with Rakell and Getz that should be kept together as long as Getz is still an elite center.

Perry is a decent playmaker and scorer but pretty horrible at a lot of the little things like backchecking and winning puck battles. If he takes a step back he will be a borderline top 9 winger in my opinion.

 

[AngelDuck]

Perry will be fine this year I think his numbers will be the same as the last two years..not great but not a guy who should be benched...last 2 years of that deal are going to be rough tho.

The season hinges on the health and performance of Ryan Kesler, and to a lesser extent, Eaves.

Those 2 are eating up 10 million in salary and we just can’t afford to get no production from them. Neither one has to be stars but how about 35-ish goals combined and solid two-way play?

If they can do something like that, all of a sudden our depth doesn’t look nearly as bad up front

 

[KaseMeOutside]

It's really about Kesler and nothing catastrophic happening. I'm higher on Eaves than most if he can stay on the ice it seems like whatever illness he had has been addressed.

It would be nice if Lindholm made the leap into a game changing player. It's in there somewhere

 

[Paul4587]

It's really about Kesler and nothing catastrophic happening. I'm higher on Eaves than most if he can stay on the ice it seems like whatever illness he had has been addressed.

It would be nice if Lindholm made the leap into a game changing player. It's in there somewhere

With Lindholm it's consistency. He had the one game in the playoffs against SJ where he was by far the best player on the ice and then the rest of the series he was just ok. Whether or not that will come with age or not I don't know but it's frustrating as he shows that ability in spurts.

 

[AngelDuck]

It's really about Kesler and nothing catastrophic happening. I'm higher on Eaves than most if he can stay on the ice it seems like whatever illness he had has been addressed.

It would be nice if Lindholm made the leap into a game changing player. It's in there somewhere

Well Eaves is 34 years old now and has been away from the game for a full year now. I do not share your optimism but hope you are right.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

It's really about Kesler and nothing catastrophic happening. I'm higher on Eaves than most if he can stay on the ice it seems like whatever illness he had has been addressed.

It would be nice if Lindholm made the leap into a game changing player. It's in there somewhere

Idk that he has the game breaker quality... hes a guy that plays better in his game... when he trys to do to much is when he faulters imo, and we saw that a bit last year. Montour is much more of a game changer

 

[KaseMeOutside]

With Lindholm it's consistency. He had the one game in the playoffs against SJ where he was by far the best player on the ice and then the rest of the series he was just ok. Whether or not that will come with age or not I don't know but it's frustrating as he shows that ability in spurts.

Yeah it's frustrating. He shows the ability to take over games sometimes. I mean he's usually consistently really good defensively but he has games where he's a game changer in all three zones and honestly if you look at this team over the last several years we've always lost to team's who had that game changing guy on D, whereas we have a collection of good D, which we're lucky to have but it's frustrating.

I feel like if we got something like that in 15 or 17 this team would perhaps have another championship

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Well Eaves is 34 years old now and has been away from the game for a full year now. I do not share your optimism but hope you are right.

Well I guess im looking at it like his body had a year off from being beat up. I know he had shoulder surgery, and tbh I would consider him not playing in any b2b games just based on his career history. Those nights off are also ways you can get looks at young players while attempting to preserve him

I'd also look at a similar strategy for Kesler, especially if he plays well

 

[Magnus the Duck]

With Lindholm it's consistency. He had the one game in the playoffs against SJ where he was by far the best player on the ice and then the rest of the series he was just ok. Whether or not that will come with age or not I don't know but it's frustrating as he shows that ability in spurts.

So it's better to be consistently bad as the rest of the team like in the games against SJ? This shit has become a mantra around here, and then same people complain when someone mentions Fowler's bad plays.

 

[pbgoalie]

So, I heard Randy had the prospective fourth liners training hard to shorten their times jumping over the boards and jumping back over the boards to get off the ice. Going to add 4-5 times on the ice per game before sending Kesler and his skate enabled walker to pla 20+ minutes per night!

I’m assuming we will shoot the puck in harder too so Randy can give the puck away faster under the new quicker pace ideals?


Yeah, I know, I hate the off season too

 

[Paul4587]

So it's better to be consistently bad as the rest of the team like in the games against SJ? This **** has become a mantra around here, and then same people complain when someone mentions Fowler's bad plays.

No. I’m saying Lindholm is good but what’s separating him from being elite is his consistency.

 

[Deuce22]

So, I heard Randy had the prospective fourth liners training hard to shorten their times jumping over the boards and jumping back over the boards to get off the ice. Going to add 4-5 times on the ice per game before sending Kesler and his skate enabled walker to pla 20+ minutes per night!

I’m assuming we will shoot the puck in harder too so Randy can give the puck away faster under the new quicker pace ideals?


Yeah, I know, I hate the off season too

No, didn't you hear the Bob Murray Offseason Manifesto. It's all going to be different this year. Wait, I feel like I heard that before...

 

[Duck Off]

Perry will be fine this year I think his numbers will be the same as the last two years..not great but not a guy who should be benched...last 2 years of that deal are going to be rough tho.

The season hinges on the health and performance of Ryan Kesler, and to a lesser extent, Eaves.

Those 2 are eating up 10 million in salary and we just can’t afford to get no production from them. Neither one has to be stars but how about 35-ish goals combined and solid two-way play?

If they can do something like that, all of a sudden our depth doesn’t look nearly as bad up front

This. Imo, it’s all on Kesler. If he plays and is close to what he used to be, we’ve got a damn good team on our hands. If he’s similar to last year, I see another 1st round exit at best.

 

[Duck Off]

It's really about Kesler and nothing catastrophic happening. I'm higher on Eaves than most if he can stay on the ice it seems like whatever illness he had has been addressed.

It would be nice if Lindholm made the leap into a game changing player. It's in there somewhere

I think Kesler is the biggest wildcard right now. His health will be instrumental to our success.

We do need one of our defenseman to step up and show an ability to be someone we can lean on at all times though. I’ve pretty much given up on Fowler being a #1, but I’ve still got hope for Hampus. So far, neither has shown an ability to consistently play like a “#1”. If one could, that’d be a major help.

With Lindholm it's consistency. He had the one game in the playoffs against SJ where he was by far the best player on the ice and then the rest of the series he was just ok. Whether or not that will come with age or not I don't know but it's frustrating as he shows that ability in spurts.

This is spot on but prepare to be called a Fowler lover and Lindholm hater. Hampus is our best defenseman and he’s our most consistent defenseman, but he’s not consistently playing at a clear #1/elite level (which I believe is what you’re saying).

Idk that he has the game breaker quality... hes a guy that plays better in his game... when he trys to do to much is when he faulters imo, and we saw that a bit last year. Montour is much more of a game changer

That would depend on what you mean by “game breaker”. I don’t think he’s the “flashy” type, but there’s definitely been games where Hampus has taken over the games. He’s not going to be the guy who flys up the ice all the time, but he has shown the ability to control the pace of the game at times, on top of his great defensive play. That’s the elite play that Paul is referring to. That’s the Lindholm we need more often if he’s going to be a “#1”.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Montour has a chance to be that offensive game changer but I'm worried Randy will coach it out of him. It's interesting how Sami had his worst his play with Randy, but was good with BB and great with the Devils

 

[91Fedorov]

The lineup looks pretty obvious right now if Kesler is healthy.

Rakell-Getz-Eaves (this line was too good to not see if it will work again)

Cogliano-Kesler-Silfverberg

Kase-Henrique-Perry

Ritchie-Rowney-Gibbons

Rodin

Unless Steel or Terry dominate in camp, they’ll be in SD, which is fine imo.

This isn't a reply directly to you. But a lot of our projected line ups still have Silf on RW. BM specifically talked about trying Silf on the LW. There had to be a reason. What would your line ups be if Silf is on the LW?

 

[Getzmonster]

Raks-Getz-Eaves
Silf-Rico-Perry
Nick-Kes-Kase
Cogs-Rowney-Gibbons



Cogs looks so wrong there, but if they want a more involved and effective 4th line, that'd be the way to make sure it is.

 

[91Fedorov]

Raks-Getz-Eaves
Silf-Rico-Perry
Nick-Kes-Kase
Cogs-Rowney-Gibbons



Cogs looks so wrong there, but if they want a more involved and effective 4th line, that'd be the way to make sure it is.

Do you really think they'll separate Rico and Kase? I thought they looked good enough that there would be an attempt to keep them together.

 

[Duck Off]

This isn't a reply directly to you. But a lot of our projected line ups still have Silf on RW. BM specifically talked about trying Silf on the LW. There had to be a reason. What would your line ups be if Silf is on the LW?

Personally I think Murray was mentioning all that because he thought Kesler wouldn't be playing. I could be wrong though. However, I doubt Carlyle will break up that Kesler line. When healthy, that line was easily our most consistent line.

However, should he break it up, and put Silf on LW. I think it'd go:

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Cogliano-Kesler-Kase
Silfverberg-Henrique-Perry
Ritchie-Rowney-Gibbons

I don't see that happening though.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Do you really think they'll separate Rico and Kase? I thought they looked good enough that there would be an attempt to keep them together.

No I think they stay together OR Kase plays with Getzlaf and maybe Rakell goes with Henrique.

Steel would be so interesting there if he's ready. That'd be three very high IQ players on a line that can be a significant advantage for us.

 

[Trojans86]

I'd love to see Steel play alongside Getz or Rico.

 

[AngelDuck]

Strongly disagree with breaking Steel in at wing. Guys game is best suited in the middle, that's where he should play and learn. You move Henrique to wing if you want him to have a mentor.

This team desperately needs Sam Steel to become a very good center and I think his best chance at that is to play there from the jump. Let him learn the defensive responsibilities. Let him learn how to win draws, etc. You move him to wing, you stunt that growth

 

[Dirk316]

The extra forward will definitely be a tougher type player. Tom Sesito was almost signed but it fell through so I wonder who be that type of player. Obviously that's still missing despite what people here think.