Line Combos: 2018-19 Roster Thread - Perry who?

[Duck Off]

Montour has a chance to be that offensive game changer but I'm worried Randy will coach it out of him. It's interesting how Sami had his worst his play with Randy, but was good with BB and great with the Devils

I think the terms "game changer" and "game breaker" are being confused with "Flashy" personally. I don't think a "game changer" has to be someone that's flashy. A "game changer" (defenseman anyway) IMO is someone who's able to take control of the game on the backend. That's what, IMO, set's #1 guys apart from the rest. Lindholm has shown that ability on numerous occasions. That's why many of us feel he's got another level. He's shown it, we just need to see it consistently. Some just mistake that claim for saying his game is overall inconsistent, which is obviously not what we're saying. That elite level of play (overall) is what's inconsistent.

I do agree about what you said about Montour though. He's definitely got that potential as well. Fowler showed some of it 2 years ago, but he really took a step back last year. Not sure he's ever going to be more than a #2 personally.

 

[Trojans86]

Strongly disagree with breaking Steel in at wing. Guys game is best suited in the middle, that's where he should play and learn. You move Henrique to wing if you want him to have a mentor.

This team desperately needs Sam Steel to become a very good center and I think his best chance at that is to play there from the jump. Let him learn the defensive responsibilities. Let him learn how to win draws, etc. You move him to wing, you stunt that growth

you very well may be right. I am not too familiar with how that has worked with other players in the past. I was more referring to how if he is a legit playmaker our team would benefit a lot with him out there and it would be easier to catch up to the speed of the game, but if it is at the cost of his development then I would agree. With Rico you can always have Steel play center.

Maybe wait until the end of the season and then throw him out at wing to give him a year in sd at center but also give him some nhl playoff experience (if we make the playoffs)?

 

[AngelDuck]

you very well may be right. I am not too familiar with how that has worked with other players in the past. I was more referring to how if he is a legit playmaker our team would benefit a lot with him out there and it would be easier to catch up to the speed of the game, but if it is at the cost of his development then I would agree. With Rico you can always have Steel play center.

Maybe wait until the end of the season and then throw him out at wing to give him a year in sd at center but also give him some nhl playoff experience (if we make the playoffs)?

I don’t think it would hurt his offensive development, it’s the all around game I’m concerned about. There’s a lot more skating and defensive responsibilities to be done at center than at wing. Imo he needs a taste of that at the pro level before you change his position to get him into the lineup right away. He needs to learn how to win battles in the D zone against bigger players by figuring out the positioning and using his stick

He has potential to be a good two-way player from what I’ve seen

 

[TopShelfWaterBottle]

Let’s say steel stays the year in SD what do you think his PPG will be?

Ide bet he’s a point per game player in the A or slightly under maybe .8 at the lowest

 

[bsu]

Let’s say steel stays the year in SD what do you think his PPG will be?

Ide bet he’s a point per game player in the A or slightly under maybe .8 at the lowest

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[Boo Boo]

I think the terms "game changer" and "game breaker" are being confused with "Flashy" personally. I don't think a "game changer" has to be someone that's flashy. A "game changer" (defenseman anyway) IMO is someone who's able to take control of the game on the backend. That's what, IMO, set's #1 guys apart from the rest. Lindholm has shown that ability on numerous occasions. That's why many of us feel he's got another level. He's shown it, we just need to see it consistently. Some just mistake that claim for saying his game is overall inconsistent, which is obviously not what we're saying. That elite level of play (overall) is what's inconsistent.

I do agree about what you said about Montour though. He's definitely got that potential as well. Fowler showed some of it 2 years ago, but he really took a step back last year. Not sure he's ever going to be more than a #2 personally.

What gives me hope for Lindholm is his kesler-esque gamesmanship and (from what I can tell through the screen) determination to not give anything up without a fight. It just seems special which is why I think he is the most likely of our d to be elite. He has fire and all but I still think its unlikely that he becomes a guy that we can rely on to control the offensive zone and will us goals like an elite few in the league can. Elite offensive tools are something I value highly in number 1 d. Even defense oriented elite dmen have some great offensive assets.

 

[Masch78]

Let’s say steel stays the year in SD what do you think his PPG will be?

Ide bet he’s a point per game player in the A or slightly under maybe .8 at the lowest

1.* I think he is that good.

 

[Paul4587]

Let’s say steel stays the year in SD what do you think his PPG will be?

Ide bet he’s a point per game player in the A or slightly under maybe .8 at the lowest

0.8 to 0.9. I think he will put up similar AHL numbers to what Lupul who was a comparable player and prospect put up in the lockout although Lupul also had a year of NHL experience when he was in AHL.

Etem who dominated the whl put up like 0.35 in the AHL but his hockey sense is nowhere near what Steels is.

 

[KelVarnsen]

The Athletic interviewed a player, coach, scout, media member, and an executive about all 31 teams. They put teams into tiers and did not rank them by if they would for sure make the playoffs.

With the current lineup, the Ducks were rated in the low end of the playoff caliber tier. The issue is, they rated 5 other Pacific teams ahead of the Ducks.

“I think they’re easy to play against,” said the player. “They don’t scare me.”

So the Ducks roster can make the playoffs as they are rated playoff caliber but it doesn’t sound like the panel has a lot of confidence that they will actually make the playoffs.

So you’re sayin there’s a chance........

 

[dracom]

The Athletic interviewed a player, coach, scout, media member, and an executive about all 31 teams. They put teams into tiers and did not rank them by if they would for sure make the playoffs.

With the current lineup, the Ducks were rated in the low end of the playoff caliber tier. The issue is, they rated 5 other Pacific teams ahead of the Ducks.

“I think they’re easy to play against,” said the player. “They don’t scare me.”

So the Ducks roster can make the playoffs as they are rated playoff caliber but it doesn’t sound like the panel has a lot of confidence that they will actually make the playoffs.

So you’re sayin there’s a chance........

Oh no, don't let Murray see this. He's going to hear that and run and get the toughest enforcers left so we can be a "scary" team to play against again. I'm super curious who that player was.

 

[KelVarnsen]

Oh no, don't let Murray see this. He's going to hear that and run and get the toughest enforcers left so we can be a "scary" team to play against again. I'm super curious who that player was.

It didn’t say. Just said it was from a player.

 

[Mortal Wombat]

It didn’t say. Just said it was from a player.

What a Maroon.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

The Athletic interviewed a player, coach, scout, media member, and an executive about all 31 teams. They put teams into tiers and did not rank them by if they would for sure make the playoffs.

With the current lineup, the Ducks were rated in the low end of the playoff caliber tier. The issue is, they rated 5 other Pacific teams ahead of the Ducks.

“I think they’re easy to play against,” said the player. “They don’t scare me.”

So the Ducks roster can make the playoffs as they are rated playoff caliber but it doesn’t sound like the panel has a lot of confidence that they will actually make the playoffs.

So you’re sayin there’s a chance........

Unless the coaching / leadership thing goes into terminal mode this season, there's just no way in hell that the ducks finish 6th in the Pacific. It's no revelation to say the ducks were easy to play against last year, because they obviously were. But they still found more than enough points despite that, and would have found even more if the power play was anything other than dismal.

The talent we have, especially on D and in the net, didn't disappear just because people are bored of hyping it.

 

[Dirk316]

Oh no, don't let Murray see this. He's going to hear that and run and get the toughest enforcers left so we can be a "scary" team to play against again. I'm super curious who that player was.

Because last seasons soft turn the other cheek approach worked to perfection

 

[Ducks DVM]

Because last seasons soft turn the other cheek approach worked to perfection

They were 4th in penalties per game and 3rd in majors per game last year. You sound like you’re parodying yourself with this post.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Oh no, don't let Murray see this. He's going to hear that and run and get the toughest enforcers left so we can be a "scary" team to play against again. I'm super curious who that player was.

 

[Dirk316]

They were 4th in penalties per game and 3rd in majors per game last year. You sound like you’re parodying yourself with this post.

Most of the majors were in the first half of the season and this year the team is going with the softest lineup since Guy Charon days

 

[Exit Dose]

Unless the coaching / leadership thing goes into terminal mode this season, there's just no way in hell that the ducks finish 6th in the Pacific. It's no revelation to say the ducks were easy to play against last year, because they obviously were. But they still found more than enough points despite that, and would have found even more if the power play was anything other than dismal.

The talent we have, especially on D and in the net, didn't disappear just because people are bored of hyping it.

Yeah, I mean, they had a stupid amount of injuries last season and still finished second in the division. I don't see what would put us behind this year or push anyone ahead either.

 

[The Midnight Burrito]

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Meh, anyone can intimidate CryJo.

 

[AngelDuck]

Yeah, I mean, they had a stupid amount of injuries last season and still finished second in the division. I don't see what would put us behind this year or push anyone ahead either.

I think Edmonton will rebound this year. If it’s enough to put them ahead of us, remains to be seen. LAK is pretty old and not intimidating, SJ and CGY are meh.

 

[Trojans86]

They were 4th in penalties per game and 3rd in majors per game last year. You sound like you’re parodying yourself with this post.

Not to mention with all of the injuries the team suffered we actually had a phenomenal season. A big part of our success was going with 4th liners that can score for us (grant) as opposed to just a fighter, and some young speed and skill from Rakell and Kase. We can no longer waste our 4th line spots for guys like Boll and we need to get faster, period.

 

[DuckDuckGetz]

“I think they’re easy to play against,” said the player. “They don’t scare me.”

I wonder how many professional hockey players would admit that a team scares them

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I think Edmonton will rebound this year. If it’s enough to put them ahead of us, remains to be seen. LAK is pretty old and not intimidating, SJ and CGY are meh.

Hmm tough to say
Oilers should rebound a bit.. but honestly still don't see them in the playoffs unless their goalie plays like a top 5 goalie.
Sharks are solid... but could easily drop out if thornton drops off
Kings I think will do fine, I think kovalchuk is a nice add... and I think guys like Vilardi, Clague etc could potentially put that team as a serious threat.
Flames are actually my favorite team in the pac to win it, I know they tend to choke/blow it but I really liked their offseason this year, and no one in the pac really sticks out
Knights I think will drop down, still battle for playoff spot but eventually end up missing out.

If I had to guess id say
1. Flames, 2. Ducks, 3. Kings WC2: Sharks/Oilers

 

[Dirk316]

I wonder how many professional hockey players would admit that a team scares them

Anaheim used to be a team that intimidated opponents and that strategy mixed with scorers obviously works and would work in any era

 

[Pennaduck]

Everyone is sleeping on Arizona it seems. I don't see them as cup favorites or anything but they did get a heck of a lot better in the second half of the season once their defense got healthy and Raanta figured things out/got healthy. In fact my rough math has them at 17-12-3 after the all star break (95 point pace) and 16-9-2 after Feb 12 (104 point pace). Up front they added Galchenyuk and Grabner and should see bigger contributions from Keller, Dvorak, and Strome. Add Stepan and Panik to that mix and its the makings of a pretty solid top nine. On the backend they have a pretty underrated defense IMO, esp. if Chychrun takes the next step. I can see them at least flirting with a ~95 point season which puts them squarely in a wild card race if they stay healthy and can build off of their finish to last season. Possibly more than that also if things really work out for them.