Line Combos: 2018-19 Roster Thread - Perry who?

[91Fedorov]

Is there really no new news on the Kesler front? This was posted in the injury forum.

"All that's really happened is Elliotte Friedman said awhile back that there is a good chance Kesler will not play next year to rehab his hip, then Bob Murray said Friedman has no clue what he's talking about."

Is there anything else that's been said? Or any other information?

 

[Paul4587]

Given how little leaks out of the team and that the only reputable insiders are on vacation I honestly doubt we will get much more of an update before September.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Is there really no new news on the Kesler front? This was posted in the injury forum.

"All that's really happened is Elliotte Friedman said awhile back that there is a good chance Kesler will not play next year to rehab his hip, then Bob Murray said Friedman has no clue what he's talking about."

Is there anything else that's been said? Or any other information?

If kesler is anything like he was last year then he shouldn't play.

 

[Getzmonster]

We never really got to see a healthy version of Getzlaf, Kesler, and Henrique down the middle (edit: Wait, did we? At least not in the playoffs). I feel cheated. This is some serious wishful thinking, but I still have my fingers crossed that Kes can make a comeback. At this point, with Rico extended we just need another season or two out of Kes as a placeholder until (hopefully) Steel grows into his pro-britches.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We never really got to see a healthy version of Getzlaf, Kesler, and Henrique down the middle (edit: Wait, did we? At least not in the playoffs). I feel cheated. This is some serious wishful thinking, but I still have my fingers crossed that Kes can make a comeback. At this point, with Rico extended we just need another season or two out of Kes as a placeholder until (hopefully) Steel grows into his pro-britches.

Nah we didn't because Henrique was only here last year and Kesler was never really healthy at any point last season.

 

[AngelDuck]

If kesler is anything like he was last year then he shouldn't play.

Yep. the team is better off playing someone young and healthy a little bit out of their depth than going with a guy playing at 25% of his normal capacity. Would much rather move Kosilla or Steel to 3C and let Henrique center the 2nd line than have a repeat of last year where you have a liability playing big minutes. It also might be a chance for Kesler to save the last 3 years of his career if he takes a year off to rest.

If the hip is permanently damaged, the team either needs to try to get the insurance to cover it, or negotiate some sort of buyout with kesler where he gets his coin, but over a longer period of time and have it not count against the cap.

The guy isn't going to flat out retire and leave the money on the table. No one in their right mind could expect him to do that.

 

[DavidBL]

Hartman signing for 1 year 875k should bode well for getting Ritchie on a similar dirt cheap, "show me" deal. I'd expect Ritchie to get more but still close to that $1M range.

Depends on term. Silf had one of those show me contracts and he got nearly 4 mill a year out of it. BM tends to like to get sone term at lower costs. I'd expect 2-3 years at 1-2 mill.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Depends on term. Silf had one of those show me contracts and he got nearly 4 mill a year out of it. BM tends to like to get sone term at lower costs. I'd expect 2-3 years at 1-2 mill.

Two years at $1.1M & $1.3M (1.2M AAV), hopefully he's earned a much bigger contract by then.

 

[Daz28]

This is going to look very last year, but the possibility of these lines exists:
eaves,getz, perr
cogs-kes-silf
rik-henr-kase

sure, there's a tooon of if there, but sometimes even the Sabres win the lottery.

 

[Trojans86]

This is going to look very last year, but the possibility of these lines exists:
eaves,getz, perr
cogs-kes-silf
rik-henr-kase

sure, there's a tooon of if there, but sometimes even the Sabres win the lottery.

I'd love to see those lines if everyone is healthy. If Kesler and Eaves are healthy that is an excellent top 9. Combined with our d and goaltending we could be a contender.

 

[Masch78]

Surprised Henrique got signed before Monty, Ritchie and Kase. Bob mentioned he wants to do it but that it was done before the rest was not foreseeable. Maybe they have the other contracts close but only wanted to get this one done before.

 

[Paul4587]

Surprised Henrique got signed before Monty, Ritchie and Kase. Bob mentioned he wants to do it but that it was done before the rest was not foreseeable. Maybe they have the other contracts close but only wanted to get this one done before.

RFAs often drag on for a while - Montour not being signed in time for the season obviously won’t be an issue, Ritchie has absolutely no leverage to holdout and Kase doesn’t have much extra leverage either. I don’t think this contract has any affect at all on the RFAs, it doesn’t hinder us in any way.

 

[Duck Off]

This is going to look very last year, but the possibility of these lines exists:
eaves,getz, perr
cogs-kes-silf
rik-henr-kase

sure, there's a tooon of if there, but sometimes even the Sabres win the lottery.

I don't like that top 9. I think Perry and Eaves are too similar in style personally. Would rather both not be on the same line.

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Cogs-Kes-Silfverberg
Kase-Rico-Perry
Ritchie-Rowney-Gibbons

 

[All Mighty]

We signed Welinski to a 1 year, 2 way deal at the minimum.

EDIT: Looks like it's for 690K, so slightly above the minimum.

 

[MMC]

We seriously need to get with the times and run 4 lines that can score.

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Ritchie-Henrique-Kase
Cogliano-Kesler-Roy
Gibbons-Kossila-Perry

I'd love to see Silfverberg get us another 1st rounder next year. There's no way we can keep re-sign him after the Henrique deal. If Kesler is out, replace him with Steel.

 

[Duck Off]

We seriously need to get with the times and run 4 lines that can score.

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Ritchie-Henrique-Kase
Cogliano-Kesler-Roy
Gibbons-Kossila-Perry

I'd love to see Silfverberg get us another 1st rounder next year. There's no way we can keep re-sign him after the Henrique deal. If Kesler is out, replace him with Steel.

I can't see Silf being traded at this point, but it is odd to think he's likely going to re-sign. Never mind the money, but you've got multipe top 9 players locked up with some term and $. If Silf re-signs then all of these guys are locked up for several years: Rakell, Getz, Eaves, Henrique, Cogs, Kesler, Perry. Assuming Kase is locked up for a few years, which we all believe will happen, that's 8 top 9 guys signed for multiple years and some of them have some pretty heft prices. doesn't leave a lot of room for potential young players or new free agents. If Silf is re-signed gotta think Bob has some type of deal where he knows he can move Perry.

 

[MMC]

I can't see Silf being traded at this point, but it is odd to think he's likely going to re-sign. Never mind the money, but you've got multipe top 9 players locked up with some term and $. If Silf re-signs then all of these guys are locked up for several years: Rakell, Getz, Eaves, Henrique, Cogs, Kesler, Perry. Assuming Kase is locked up for a few years, which we all believe will happen, that's 8 top 9 guys signed for multiple years and some of them have some pretty heft prices. doesn't leave a lot of room for potential young players or new free agents. If Silf is re-signed gotta think Bob has some type of deal where he knows he can move Perry.

I think if someone offers a 1st for him, we gotta take it. Having 2 1sts in next years draft has a lot more value to us then one more year of Silf.

 

[Duck Off]

I think if someone offers a 1st for him, we gotta take it. Having 2 1sts in next years draft has a lot more value to us then one more year of Silf.

I'd be pretty upset personally. Unless we're upgrading the forward group in another way. If we're going to trade him, I'd rather keep him until close to the deadline and see how things are shaking out as opposed to just trading him now.

 

[MMC]

I'd be pretty upset personally. Unless we're upgrading the forward group in another way. If we're going to trade him, I'd rather keep him until close to the deadline and see how things are shaking out as opposed to just trading him now.

We'd get more value if we trade him now. Plus there's the injury risk.

 

[The Mighty Duck Man]

We seriously need to get with the times and run 4 lines that can score.

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Ritchie-Henrique-Kase
Cogliano-Kesler-Roy
Gibbons-Kossila-Perry

I'd love to see Silfverberg get us another 1st rounder next year. There's no way we can keep re-sign him after the Henrique deal. If Kesler is out, replace him with Steel.

Roy replacing Silf on that line would be absolutely wild.

 

[Duck Off]

We'd get more value if we trade him now. Plus there's the injury risk.

I'm not sure I agree with that. Silfverberg is the perfect type of player to add for a playoff run. The injury risk is there yes, but removing him from the team now (and not replacing him with a better player or as good of a player as him) hurts us next year. I'd rather keep him personally. I think Bob is going to re-sign him though. I think if he was going to be traded, it would have been before the draft. A big part of me thinks it's a big mistake because of all the contracts we'll have tied up, but he is a good player. I just wouldn't do anything over 4 years. If he insists on 5, move him.

 

[Paul4587]

We seriously need to get with the times and run 4 lines that can score.

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Ritchie-Henrique-Kase
Cogliano-Kesler-Roy
Gibbons-Kossila-Perry

I'd love to see Silfverberg get us another 1st rounder next year. There's no way we can keep re-sign him after the Henrique deal. If Kesler is out, replace him with Steel.

That third line is horrific. Why would you move Silfverberg, a proven scorer on less than $4M a year if you’re trying to create 4 scoring lines!!??

Edit: also replacing Kesler with Steel means Getzlaf and Henrique are going to have to log a shitload of ice time on the PK as they are the only two Cs that can kill penalties. Which is exactly what we don’t want in regards to Getzlaf

 

[MMC]

I'm not sure I agree with that. Silfverberg is the perfect type of player to add for a playoff run. The injury risk is there yes, but removing him from the team now (and not replacing him with a better player or as good of a player as him) hurts us next year. I'd rather keep him personally. I think Bob is going to re-sign him though. I think if he was going to be traded, it would have been before the draft. A big part of me thinks it's a big mistake because of all the contracts we'll have tied up, but he is a good player. I just wouldn't do anything over 4 years. If he insists on 5, move him.

Any contender interested in him would pay more for a full season of him vs a few months.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

We seriously need to get with the times and run 4 lines that can score.

Rakell-Getzlaf-Eaves
Ritchie-Henrique-Kase
Cogliano-Kesler-Roy
Gibbons-Kossila-Perry

I'd love to see Silfverberg get us another 1st rounder next year. There's no way we can keep re-sign him after the Henrique deal. If Kesler is out, replace him with Steel.

I think you need to consider situational deployment more when creating a lineup. Which of those lines would you use for the majority of tougher defensive zone assignments? We definitely don't want to be constantly using the majority of your top 6 in those situations, they are our primary offensive creators/producers. But then your other two lines each have at least one guy each who don't belong in that role either. Two rookie centers who could get bullied in the face off circle for all we know.

Paul brings up a great point about the penalty kill, faceoffs are paramount when killing penalties and we do not want Getzlaf and Henrique run into the ground every game on the PK.

Which brings me to my main point, if Kesler is out for a lengthy period of time than we're clearly in need of a dependable veteran center who can eat up a lot of those defensive situations and PK minutes. If you put together a checking line that you can really count on to take on most of that, it's fine to have Getz and Rico split the rest and allows us to properly insulate a rookie center.

 

[Duck Off]

Any contender interested in him would pay more for a full season of him vs a few months.

I don’t think it’s a given like you’re insinuating. I think it’s definitely possible, but I think it’s almosf as likely that some team gets desperate at the deadline.