stickty111
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I see your nasty "mr shot taker"I see your nasty avatar Mr. Positivity:
"Shots are okay when I'm doing them."
"Timashov rookie season>Bracco rookie season.
I see your nasty "mr shot taker"I see your nasty avatar Mr. Positivity:
"Shots are okay when I'm doing them."
That’s not accurate
but more importantly, he was ahead of all of them in PPG except Brannstrom until the game where he was injured in December.
Sandin is more likely to be Morrissey type guy.
This has become extremely rare, but you can ignore that.
to be fair, he is being tasked with focusing on his defensive game at the expense of his offense. We've seen the same with players such as Rielly. I don't think it's outside the realm of possibility that he can still improve offensively once the reigns are off. I do believe in his offensive skillset, even if the numbers aren't there yet. Being hurt in key developmental years may also have slowed him down a lot, but not stopped him from potentially being a good player one day. I do think he's not close to Sandin as of now, and is falling behind others
I don’t even think his offensive game is down. His play has improved overall. But to act like he’s a defensive stalwart is pretty misleading.Incorrect. Lilly's defensive game has gone a long way. It's not hyping it up just because his offensive game is down. You can see the drastic improvement from last season to this season.
Lilly is better then Sandin defensively. He is also better then Rosen defensively. Borgman and Lilly is no contest. The only one you can say is Loverde yet he makes more mistakes then Lilly.
I never said he was. He can still improve but the difference between last season and this season is big.I don’t even think his offensive game is down. His play has improved overall. But to act like he’s a defensive stalwart is pretty misleading.
Agree to disagree but I think both Rosen and Sandin are better defensively than Liljegren. His coverage and play in front of the net are seriously lacking, but he’s become more physically engaged which is a good sign. Every single game he either gives up a breakaway via turnover, or misses an assignment in the crease. Borgman is a lost cause, so I give Lilj the nod there, but again, he’s certainly not the best in my opinion.
I never said he was.
But as of right now the evidence doesn't support him being a bottom player next year, and likely not much more than 6/7 going forward.
Yes it clearly states he is the Marlies best defensive defenceman."Lilly is better then Sandin defensively. He is also better then Rosen defensively. Borgman and Lilly is no contest. The only one you can say is Loverde yet he makes more mistakes then Lilly."
That clearly states that you think he's the Marlies' best defensive defender.
"Lilly is better then Sandin defensively. He is also better then Rosen defensively. Borgman and Lilly is no contest. The only one you can say is Loverde yet he makes more mistakes then Lilly."
That clearly states that you think he's the Marlies' best defensive defender.
It is.
Probably not the case. I don't care to go back and look at where everyone was on December 1st (the day Liljegren was injured), but his PPG at that time was 0.421 which would lift from 8th among the 8 in his draft class to 6th.
Yes it clearly states he is the Marlies best defensive defenceman.
That clearly doesn't state he is a defensive stalwart.
Learn to read properly, and stop cherrypicking clips to support a narrative.Literalism, you wear your fedora well.
It is the case.
Liljegren had 8 points in 18 games or 0.444 ppg before his injury, which ranked him 2nd in his draft class at the time
and still compares favourably to his peers’ numbers at the end of the season (unless you want to count the couple minutes he played before his first period injury in his 19th game).
There is no evidence that supports that other than reactionary hunches
Fun fact for all:
At U20 (Liljegren's current season) Gardiner put up 13 points in 41 games. In the NCAA.
Stop grading A type prospects against the bluechip curve just because we choose to develop them in the AHL.
It is not.
Nope.
At the time of Liljegren's injury he would have been well behind Brannstrom (0.737), and behind Hague 0.476 (10 points in 21 games). He would have been ahead of Foote (6 points in 19 games) and ahead of Fleury if you don't count the game Liljegren was injured (because it helps your cause) but do count the game Fleury was injured in a little bit before (because it helps your cause). If you don't count the injury games for both Fleury is ahead 0.455 to 0.444
So in competing with only Brannstrom, Foote, Hague (34OA) and Fleury (87OA) (Valimaki, Jokijarju and Vaakanainen were all in the NHL during the first half and put up way better numbers than Liljegren in the second half.) Liljegren was either 3rd out of 5 if you manipulate things to your favour, and 4th out of 5 if you don't.