Rumor: 2018-19 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits
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Reaper45
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Yes, Brickley can go up and down freely, but I'm hoping that if he shines in camp, and LaDue doesn't lay an egg in training camp like last preseason, they start on the roster. I would really hate to lose Fantenberg or MacDermid, but they should field the best roster at this point. I get the feeling that the spots are for Brickley and LaDue to lose.
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Those are all speculation by beat writers. Kings have not commented on Voynov other than having no comment until the league has made a decision on his reinstatement.
BigKing
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I'm the proud owner of a MacDermid jersey that didn't come in until after the Vegas sweep so I'm hoping I can wear it at least once while he's still with the organization. Looks like I'll have to get it in to a pre-season game.
I hope Brickley is awesome but I'd hate to lose MacDermid and then have Brickley show in his first 7-8 games that he needs seasoning in Ontario.
Big Mac needs to be on the roster, even if he’s just a spare defenseman.
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Reign fans and some Kings fans would be devastated if Dermy was grabbed off waivers. MacDermid is hugely popular in Ontario, like LoVerde/Budaj popular. Risk was pretty low in the past that he would be grabbed at the last waiver wire before rosters were due, but now that he has played at the NHL level, there is a pretty reasonable chance someone would take a shot at grabbing him, particularly if the team needed toughness and had an injury in camp.
Ziggy Stardust
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31 Thoughts, The Podcast: Doing deals with Leafs GM Kyle Dubas - Sportsnet.ca
31 Thoughts Podcast.
Go to 28:05 for Kings chatter. Here's what was discussed.
- Jeff Marek doesn't think the Kings are done and he believes Phil Kessel is someone they may still pursue. Marek says someone told him two weeks ago not to sleep on Kessel to LA, as they want speed and scoring.
- Jeff Skinner could also provide scoring and speed, and they have been in on Skinner.
- On Pacioretty, Elliotte thinks he was presented with an offer, and this allegedly happened on Thursday before draft day. Supposedly, the Kings' 1st round pick was part of the trade. Pacioretty was presented with an extension with a time limit to accept it, which is what apparently caused Pacioretty to get upset and to switch agents.
- Elliotte believes the extension was for 5-6 years at $6-6.5M range, similar as to the Radulov contract. He thinks after some time, the Kings could circle back on a deal with Montreal.
- Marek asks if Vilardi was part of the trade, and Elliotte says the Kings aren't moving him. They may move a 1st round pick in 2019, but not Vilardi.
31 Thoughts Podcast.
Go to 28:05 for Kings chatter. Here's what was discussed.
- Jeff Marek doesn't think the Kings are done and he believes Phil Kessel is someone they may still pursue. Marek says someone told him two weeks ago not to sleep on Kessel to LA, as they want speed and scoring.
- Jeff Skinner could also provide scoring and speed, and they have been in on Skinner.
- On Pacioretty, Elliotte thinks he was presented with an offer, and this allegedly happened on Thursday before draft day. Supposedly, the Kings' 1st round pick was part of the trade. Pacioretty was presented with an extension with a time limit to accept it, which is what apparently caused Pacioretty to get upset and to switch agents.
- Elliotte believes the extension was for 5-6 years at $6-6.5M range, similar as to the Radulov contract. He thinks after some time, the Kings could circle back on a deal with Montreal.
- Marek asks if Vilardi was part of the trade, and Elliotte says the Kings aren't moving him. They may move a 1st round pick in 2019, but not Vilardi.
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Kessel would make sense with the 3 year window, being that he is signed for 4 years.
Axl Rhoadz
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You mean everything reported by the Mayor? Pffft
Show me something, anything where Kings reps have alluded to this.
Raccoon Jesus
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Laughing at the time limit extension causing pouting. Have these guys never negotiated a thing in their lives?
kovacro
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So what would be the framework for a Kessel deal? He’s making $6.8 million for the next 4 years.
Based on that, you got to subtract money. Pens look pretty much set on defense so Muzzin or Martinez are not likely part of a deal.
You trade a forward back in Toffoli ($4.6 million for 2 more yrs.).
Do you also try to include someone like Clifford ($1.6 million) to make the numbers work better? Don’t even know if the Pens would realistically take him on as they look set up front.
Or do you pawn off Clifford to another club with cap space in order to facilitate a trade for Kessel.
I’m sure draft picks, and/or prospects would also be involved in any LA/PIT deal.
Pens are pretty close to the cap currently with just a shade under $3 million in space.
Based on that, you got to subtract money. Pens look pretty much set on defense so Muzzin or Martinez are not likely part of a deal.
You trade a forward back in Toffoli ($4.6 million for 2 more yrs.).
Do you also try to include someone like Clifford ($1.6 million) to make the numbers work better? Don’t even know if the Pens would realistically take him on as they look set up front.
Or do you pawn off Clifford to another club with cap space in order to facilitate a trade for Kessel.
I’m sure draft picks, and/or prospects would also be involved in any LA/PIT deal.
Pens are pretty close to the cap currently with just a shade under $3 million in space.
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Ziggy Stardust
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To further confirm that Stevens and Blake are confident in Kempe as a center, Lisa Dillman posted on article today on The Athletic with quotes from both praising his efforts last season and that they still view him as a center.
The team seems confident that a top three of Kopitar-Carter-Kempe gives them excellent depth down the middle. Kempe's numbers last season are in line with an excellent third line center, however, most of his points came while he was playing center on the second line while Jeff Carter was out.
The team seems confident that a top three of Kopitar-Carter-Kempe gives them excellent depth down the middle. Kempe's numbers last season are in line with an excellent third line center, however, most of his points came while he was playing center on the second line while Jeff Carter was out.
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It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
I’m still worried about Kempe’s awful face off numbers last season. I mean 38.5% is just not good enough. If he puts in some work with Stoll this summer, maybe he bumps that up to a point where he’s not a liability.
I would I’ve to see Pearson and Toffoli stay with Kempe to start the season. Phenomenal “third line”. They really did well together last season.
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My guess is that they wait on getting another forward until after training camp. If two of Vilardi, JAD, or Rempal make it out of camp, they probably don't make a deal, but if only one makes it out then might pull the trigger.
I like the idea of pursuing Kessel.
I like the idea of pursuing Kessel.
johnjm22
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I don't see any significant trade happening from here on out. If there was it would have to involve the Kings sending some salary the other way, and I don't think there's anybody on the roster they actively want to move.
This is pretty much going to be the lineup come opening night:
Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Brown
Iafallo-Carter-Toffoli
Pearson-Kempe-Vilardi
Clifford-Thompson-Lewis
Amadio, Brodzinski
Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Phaneuf/Brickley/Fantenberg/Ladue
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Campbell
Cap hit will be around 78.5M leaving about 1m in cap space.
This is pretty much going to be the lineup come opening night:
Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Brown
Iafallo-Carter-Toffoli
Pearson-Kempe-Vilardi
Clifford-Thompson-Lewis
Amadio, Brodzinski
Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Martinez
Phaneuf/Brickley/Fantenberg/Ladue
Quick
Campbell
Cap hit will be around 78.5M leaving about 1m in cap space.
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Reaper45
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I dont know. I could see either Muzzin or Martinez and potentially anyone on the 4th line moved, though Clifford and Lewis seem to be universally loved by the organization.
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johnjm22
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If one of Amart/Muzz is moved we'd be down to basically 7 defensemen meaning there'd be no real competition for the spots. It would also mean that 3 of those 7 spots would be held by essentially rookies. I don't see that happening. (I'm assuming MacD isn't getting a spot).
I could see Thompson getting moved if they think Amadio is ready, but any trade involving a fourth liner isn't really significant. I bet the roster I posted is pretty much going to be it minus one of Brickley/Fantenberg/Ladue.
Voynov wont' be on the roster opening night.
Yea, the chances of Amart or Muzzin being traded is essentially nil. No one in the pipeline is near as good as them right now, and equivalent replacements would cost substantially more than $4M. I'd say there's a 95% chance they are both here for the rest of their contracts, and it wouldn't surprise me to see Muzzin extended.
If LaDue or Brickley emerge as an everyday player, Kings can move Martinez. Muzzin has more value and is younger.
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One of the most basic clauses in a real estate contract - "Respond by X date/time or this agreement becomes null and void at the buyer's sole discretion."
Another rule - the first offer is usually the best; create dialog, negotiate, and close a deal. Bergevin should take note of that before he botches this. Greed (which is his main motive to cover his ass after his disastrous management, he really wants a grand slam) always usually leaves you empty handed.
Weber + Price @ $18,400,000 combined for a combined 16 more years. Taking up nearly 25% of the cap, average age 31 years old. Weber out 5-6 months, Price's performance falling off a cliff - insulate yourself from depreciating assets, don't overleverage yourself, don't be afraid to walk away from a deal (that Price deal was a disaster before the ink dried).
Montrealoooooooooooooool.
I actually think it would be more likely to see Martinez go if someone like Vilardi or Kempe break out. I don't think any forward that Martinez could bring by himself in a trade would be worth the loss of defensive depth, he doesn't have that much value. I think most teams wanting him solo would be looking to trade futures for him, being contenders looking for depth.
If a young forward steps up, Martinez and Toffoli could be packaged for a defensive upgrade. I'd rather see if something like that would get Carolina to bite with Faulk, then bring Voynov back when available. Voynov, Faulk, and Doughty down the right side would be formidable.
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