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inb4 we sign the mysterious mexican phenom vyacheslavo voynoverto hernandez off a PTO
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inb4 we sign the mysterious mexican phenom vyacheslavo voynoverto hernandez off a PTO
Forbort is an anchor still, but at least he got a little lighter as the year went on. Doughty's numbers still suffer with him, but it's not as pronounced.
Food for thought (5v5):
Doughty had a 56.6% CF with Muzzin last year and 50.25% without. Doughty had a 51.62% with Forbort, and a 53.12% without.
GF% numbers are very similar. Doughty has a very good GF% with Forbort of 56.5%, but an outstanding 62.5% with Muzzin.
Drew was on the ice for a goal against every 28 minutes of ice time with Forbort, which is quite good. With Muzzin, it was one goal for every 37 minutes, which is phenomenal.
Drew/Muzzin might be hard on the eyes sometimes, but you can't argue with the results. The only other defense that Forbort was decent with was Folin. His ability to form a solid pairing with Doughty is the only reason Forbort isn't on the scratch bubble.
CowMix
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As pointed out before these advanced stats don't mean much if they don't take into account strength of opposition and how often you start your shift in offensive vs defensive zone.
A defenseman placed in an offensive role is always going to have a better GF% then one in a defensive role.
A defenseman placed in an offensive role is always going to have a better GF% then one in a defensive role.
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Of course, but those goals against stats when Muzzin/Doughty are together are impressive, seeing how that's absolutely going to be against top competition. This is Doughty we are talking about, and they were mostly put together during the most important parts of the game. I would expect him to have a better CF and GF, no doubt. The point was more that Drew was far better defensively with Muzzin without sacrificing any offense at all, mainly because he still has to monitor Forbort. Doughty is the ideal partner for Forbort, who doesn't look good with anyone else on the roster. Forbort is certainly not the ideal partner for Doughty.
Last year, Drew put up his worst possession numbers since 09-10. He put up the 3rd lowest points per 60 of his career (full seasons, excluding lockout), and one of those was his rookie year. His takeaways were down, and his giveaways were the most since his rookie year. His shot blocks were way up, 2nd highest (after rookie year). He has worse numbers with Forbort than any regular partner he's had since his rookie season.
What I wouldn't give for a prime Scuderi or Mitchell next to Drew right now, it's likely he'd have more than one Norris.
MxH0CKEY
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Kings need to make a pitch for Karlsson....
Muzzin(4M), Rights to Voynov, Brown(5.8M), JAD, 1st in '20 For Karlsson(11M)
Sens need all the help they can get for next season so Avs don't take their lotto pick. They end up gaining 2 Top 4 Dmen, Top 6 Fwd, and 2 solid prospects(Assuming the 1st becomes someone decent). By the time they become competitive again, Gaborik, Brown, and Ryan should all be retiring.
Forbort-Doughty Phaneuf-Karlsson Martinez-LaDue
Muzzin(4M), Rights to Voynov, Brown(5.8M), JAD, 1st in '20 For Karlsson(11M)
Sens need all the help they can get for next season so Avs don't take their lotto pick. They end up gaining 2 Top 4 Dmen, Top 6 Fwd, and 2 solid prospects(Assuming the 1st becomes someone decent). By the time they become competitive again, Gaborik, Brown, and Ryan should all be retiring.
Forbort-Doughty Phaneuf-Karlsson Martinez-LaDue
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CowMix
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Blaming Doughty's advanced stat drops on Forbort completely ignores what is more likely the reason. We had a new coaching staff come in that changed our system into more offensive one that takes more risks to generate offense. Puck possession was Sutter hockey.
I would also be curious if Forbort is starting more of his shifts with Doughty in the defensive zone while Muzzin starts more shifts with Doughty in offensive zone.
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Ottawa is already trying to attach Ryan to any Karlsson deal. You want them to take back an awful contract in Brown's? They'd probably make the Kings take Ryan AND Gaborik.
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It’s not completely Forbort, but he’s a big part of it. With more risk, you would expect Drew’s numbers to increase, and they didn’t. Muzzin does start more in the offensive zone (5%), but there is a pretty big difference between his numbers with the two, far beyond what zone starts or system changes would explain.
The Kings possession metrics were down across the board, all players were affected, but it’s fact that Drew has much better numbers with a more other partners and particularly Muzzin. It was even more pronounced two years ago, the numbers gap was even greater, and that was with Muzzin getting more defensive starts than Forbort with Drew.
Drew flourishes with a certain type of partner, and Forbort isn’t it. Interestingly, Drew does best with physical types. He’s put up his best numbers with McNabb and Mitchell, and Scuderi when he was first acquired. McNabb didn’t do much other than contain guys or try to cream them when they came down the ice, but Drew’s numbers with him were fantastic and led to his Norris win.
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MxH0CKEY
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Was thinking likely Pearson or Toffoli instead of Brown. Ottawa MUST be a bubble team next season, they don't own their 1st rounder. Sens don't have as much leverage as you would think with EK.
Muzzin, Voynov, JAD, Pearson, 1st FOR Karlsson
They may still need Ryan for some production next season, buy him out next off-season if I'm Ottawa.
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As much as we complain around here, seeing what's happening in Ottawa and NYI makes you appreciate the current state of the Kings franchise.
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I don't think there's any secret Lucic is still really good friends with a lot of the Kings players. I forgot who said it but Lucic still has his house in Manhattan Beach also. Wasn't he at the Kings Super Bowl watch party last year?
How tall is Toffoli's wife?? He's not exactly that tall and she's more than a foot shorter than him. She's gotta be under 5' tall.
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Reaper45
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If Edmonton ate 50% of his contract I'd take him back. Sheltered on a 2nd line here he'd be fine.Saw some pics of Lucic at Toff's wedding in Maui. I hope that's all there is.
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Saw some pics of Lucic at Toff's wedding in Maui. I hope that's all there is.
Lucic must think that signing in Edmonton was the worst mistake he's ever made.
BigKing
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Except he maximized his money.
Still a long way to go in that saga. His first year there, they went to Game 7 of the 2nd Round and really should have won that series against Anaheim. Last year was a nightmare but let's see how things look moving forward.
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johnjm22
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I hate when people use facts to argue against me.
Forbort didn't play well most of the season, but I liked better what I saw from him later in season, and he very much passed the eyeball test in 16/17.
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