I'd personally put him with Zucc and Fast,
But with fast injured I might do
Zucc-Lias-miller
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I'd personally put him with Zucc and Fast,
But with fast injured I might do
Zucc-Lias-miller
A line of Miller-Lias-Fast would be really haunting line to play against lol. I also agree with Tobbe, Nash would be an OK fit for him too. Kreider? Maybe. Buch? Think Lias and Buch would mix very high with a few lows too, depending a bit on Buchs physical level. Zucc would work.
Miller-Lias-Vesey is also a good option for sure.
Not a fan of your last option, Miller doesn't drive play well and Vesey is a black hole in that regard, i want to keep Lias away from passengers like Vesey and Grabner preferably.
Unless he has a true play driver like Zuke or Kreider on the other wing, then you can play anyone there
I know the expectation is that Lias will be a play driver and very good defensively, but he's a teenage rookie, let's not test that theory right away
Just saying, there is a difference between WJSS and a NYR Camp. I am not ruling out that Lias is in the mix for a top 9 spot after camp, but it's not a given either. He is so good when the game slows down a bit, he gets control of the puck. The talk about him and low potential is just no sense because he played in the SHL and didn't score 110 pts in the CHL, he is both flashy and skilled. But when the play is heading up and down the ice he doesn't stand out as much.
Irishguy42
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Lias should be dominating WJSS purely based on his resume as a good SHL player this past season. His performance is not indicative of him being ready to be an effective player at the next level in the NHL. Is he the only one in the tournament being discussed as playing next season there? I think a lot of it is because NYR have a huge hole at a center.
offdacrossbar
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miller lias and jagr 
lias and jagr together would be sweet and with miller that line would be a hoot.
lias and jagr together would be sweet and with miller that line would be a hoot.
Let desjarnais and LA split time to keep LA from burning out if LA shows he is ready for the nhl.
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miller lias and jagr
lias and jagr together would be sweet and with miller that line would be a hoot.
Let's wait bringing back Jagr for a couple of years until Chytil is here. I'm sure JJ will still be around.
Pavel Buchnevich
"Pavel Buchnevich The Fake"
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Miller-Andersson-Zuccarello
Vesey-Hayes-Nash
Grabner-Desharnais-Fast
Puempel
Miller-Andersson-Zuccarello
Vesey-Hayes-Nash
Grabner-Desharnais-Fast
Puempel
The entire US team seems to be having an off day, he's far from their worst D-man today, which says more about everyone else then Day, he's not been good
Agreed, but compared to the players picked around him he has done really well still.
Tobbe- I understand what you mean, but I object against one thing. You say that Vesey does not drive potential. Do you mean that? Or did you mean that he didn't drive possession last year?
I think Miller, Andersson and Vesey all three are smart and capable hockey players. I would be interested to see what they could build together. Hockey is a lot about finding ways to get things done. Often when a line does well it's not because three good players where put on it, that is far from always enough, it is because three players managed to compliment each other and find ways to get things done. I think those three would have good potential to work things out. They are all physically and skill wise very well developed players. A lot of smarts. Further to that, Vesey was a rookie last season. It can take more than a year, but I am fairly sure that he is going to improve a lot. Could come this year or next year. But I think it's dangerous to draw conclusions from metrics on rookies in the NHL, and young players in general. So much can happen in hockey. Like compare Zucc his rookie year to now. He is a completely different player. I think it's more the norm than an exception that young players develop a lot after having been picks. So even if a player didn't drive possession as a rookie, it doesn't mean that he never will do it the rest of his career.
THE BIG WHISTLE
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I meant that he was a black hole "possession" wise last season and his style of play leads me to believe he'll never be a good play driver.
Nothing wrong with that if you contribute in other ways though, just don't want a teenage rookie center to have a winger that is a possession black hole if we can avoid it
Grabner is similar, i think he's a good player but he does not drive shot attempts at all. I think we should insulate Lias a bit if he's starting his season with NYR.
Tobbe- Ok I understand what you mean, I agree with you on Grabner, who thanks to his counterattack style as you say will negatively impact possession, and I also don't think Vesey will become a player that necessarily push possession much. But I don't quite see why he would have a negative affect on possession, think he even could become a Pouliot type of player in terms of possession.
One thing though, I think Lias is a solid and will become a good possession player. He is good and smart with the puck. He has that ability to play like a sweeper and come in and stop counterattacks by the other team. For any center, and especially someone like him, it can also be really valuable to have wingers who manage to act as road blocks along the walls if you get what I mean. Many fast breaks either way comes from those 50/50 battles along the boards in the NHL. Comparing Vesey to Buch in this area, the former is much much better. Buch can be downright weak there and Vesey paid a lot of attention to get this job done. Just for example.
In short, being strong along the boards prevent a lot of major break downs.
One thing though, I think Lias is a solid and will become a good possession player. He is good and smart with the puck. He has that ability to play like a sweeper and come in and stop counterattacks by the other team. For any center, and especially someone like him, it can also be really valuable to have wingers who manage to act as road blocks along the walls if you get what I mean. Many fast breaks either way comes from those 50/50 battles along the boards in the NHL. Comparing Vesey to Buch in this area, the former is much much better. Buch can be downright weak there and Vesey paid a lot of attention to get this job done. Just for example.
In short, being strong along the boards prevent a lot of major break downs.
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Kreider-Mika-Buch
Miller-Hayes-Grabner
Nash-Lias-Zuccs
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Lias gets bit insulation and talent on his wings.
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Vesey-Deharnais-fast
Lias gets bit insulation and talent on his wings.
Ola - I doubt it when it comes to Vesey-Pouliot, Poo is an excellent play driver. I think Vesey will be a very good complementary player who will score 20 a season.
I just don't want him next to Lias to start the season, maybe they'll be great together but i want to protect Lias better then that to start
I definitely agree on Lias, i think he'll be a guy who drives play, but let's not test that theory when he's a teenage rookie C
Insulate him to start his career and let him grow into that two-way beast.
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That 2nd line is scary, i think i'd go like this to start:
Kreider-Zbad-Vesey
Nash-Hayes-Buch
Miller-Lias-Zuke
Grabner-Desharnais-Puempel/UFA signing/PTO
Then change to this when Fast is back:
Kreider-Zbad-Vesey/Buch (depending if Vesey works there or not)
Nash-Hayes-Zuke
Miller-Lias-Fast/Buch (Buch here if Vesey stays on 1st)
Grabner-Desharnais-Vesey/Fast
This is if Lias sticks... I'd really want Fast with him when he's healthy, seems like a good fit...
If Lias doesn't stick then the throw out all of this
I just don't want him next to Lias to start the season, maybe they'll be great together but i want to protect Lias better then that to start
I definitely agree on Lias, i think he'll be a guy who drives play, but let's not test that theory when he's a teenage rookie C
Insulate him to start his career and let him grow into that two-way beast.
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That 2nd line is scary, i think i'd go like this to start:
Kreider-Zbad-Vesey
Nash-Hayes-Buch
Miller-Lias-Zuke
Grabner-Desharnais-Puempel/UFA signing/PTO
Then change to this when Fast is back:
Kreider-Zbad-Vesey/Buch (depending if Vesey works there or not)
Nash-Hayes-Zuke
Miller-Lias-Fast/Buch (Buch here if Vesey stays on 1st)
Grabner-Desharnais-Vesey/Fast
This is if Lias sticks... I'd really want Fast with him when he's healthy, seems like a good fit...
If Lias doesn't stick then the throw out all of this
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That kid Day though just gallops around the ice and is huge. Should be a star player in the NHL. But the decision making Jesus hasn't caught up to his legs. If it ever does and he's only 19 man is he special. But he just looked like a guy playing pond hockey yesterday. Just making dumb decisions as if game didn't matter
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That's always been the case with Day: unbelievable size, speed, and skill, but he's got a two-cent brain. It'll take some work to get his defensive game rounded out, his offensive tools should help overshadow that
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When he got traded to the Spitfires I remember their coach saying that most of Day's problems had come from poor coaching throughout his time on the Steelheads the past few years, the rest of the interview was fluff type stuff, but that really stood out to me at the time and I wish I could find the interview to properly quote it
I read it. He's come a long way for sure but I think he's a few years away still. Very immature game. He should be absolutely dominating juniors and doesn't. I think he's going to be a very good nhler but it's going to take some time. I'm thrilled Gernander won't be his coach
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