SaekkiPaelli
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- Oct 1, 2011
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Well, when reading the statistics as you suggested, I still consider that our current results are not in our standards.
2016 : 7 W ; 29 goals scored ; 6 goals against
Our performance : 6-2 (BLR) ; 2-0 (CAN) ; 5-1 (GER) ; 3-2 (USA) ; 3-0 (HUN) ; 3-1 (FRA) ; 5-0 (SVK)
No comment: Great offense and defense/goaltending (3 clean sheets)
2015: 4 W, 2 OTW, 1L ; 22 goals scored ; 9 goals against
Our performance: 1-5 (USA) ; 3-0 (DEN) ; 5-0 (NOR) ; 4-0 (SLO) ; 3-0 (SVK) ; 3-2 OT (BLR) ; 3-2 OT (RUS)
Apart from the accident in Game 1, very good performance. Great defense/goaltending (3 clean sheets)
2014 : 3 W, 1OTW, 3L ; 18 goals scored ; 15 goals against
Our performance: 2-3 (LAT) ; 2-4 (RUS) ; 4-0 (GER) ; 2-0 (BLR) ; 3-2 OT (SWT) ; 1-3 (USA) ; 4-3 (KAZ)
One of our worst tournaments but if we compare to the 2017 one: 2014 defense/goaltending should be better, 2014 offense may be better (considering how we currently struggle to score)
2013: 4W, 2OTW, 1L ; 23 goals scored ; 14 goals against
Our performance: 4-3 OT (GER), 2-0 (SVK), 3-1 (FRA), 1-4 (USA), 3-2 (RUS), 7-2 (AUS), 3-2 OT (LAT)
Overall, very good results.
Now 2017: 2 W, 1OTW, 1OTL, 1L ; 15 goals scored ; 15 goals against.
My conclusion if I follow your advice and look at the statistics before posting :
2017 is on the track of being one of our weakest performances along with 2014 in terms of points and both offence and defence.
Looking forward to the next games.
You just proved his point here? Look at 2013 for example, 2 OT wins against Latvia nad frekain Germany? how is thta not thesame as OT win against Norway and loss to France, basically equal.
And even more so 2014, loss to Latvia, only 1 goal win vs kazakhstan(same as belarus this year), OT win vs Switzerland, only 2 goal win vs Belarus(and the second goal was an empty netter at the end) and also losses to Russia and US. And still got the silver.
This is not unprecedented by any means. I'm not saying Marjamäki is a good coach, but he should at least get the benefit of the doubt until the freaking tournament is over. Also Finland's team is absolute garbage. I don't know if it's his fault that some players didn't want to come or was it just bad luck. And in case people are saying that players didn't come cause they feel he micromanages too much I would love to see at least some sources for this information.
The defencemen this year are probably the worst I have seen. I hold Jokerit season pass and Jaakola for example was probably the worst defenceman on Jokerit this year(second best last year), absolutely useless and makes a ton of mistakes like in the France game. Ohtamaa always screws up something every game( as the penalty vs Belarus, or falling on the goalie vs france, I think), V Lajunen is real bad in his own end and during the opponents transition. Honka is too inexperienced to be the go to guy. Hietanen is totally washed up, Järvinen has very little actual hockey IQ, Kukkonen battles hard but just isn't good enough vs NHL caliber players. Lehtonen is okay I guess, hasn't impressed but hasn't been terrible either and I haven't seen him much outside this tournament so hard to judge.
The forwards then, Filppula has been really bad, he brings nothing, every shift he just does something and never anything useful, plays the most PP and doesn't do anything. J Lajunen should not be in the national team by any standards, there are about 25 liiga players better than him. Osala, Sallinen, JM Aaltonen, Kemppainen are also not players that can compete vs any good team even by a stretch. Aho and Rantanen are fine, but they should be 2nd 3rd line guys on the national team at this point, not the go to guys. Pihlström is fine on the team but he should be on the forth line, same with Hännikäinen and Pyörälä. Savinainen is decent for the third/forth line and standing in front of the net on the PP, since we don't have anyone better. M Aaltonen is decent, don't have a problem with him, but there are better options.
Puljujärvi is fine but just to get experience, if Finland actually got all good players he wouldn't be on the team.
This is just my view, and maybe there weren't any better options available but if there were then obviously it's Marjamäki's fault for poor choices(like J Lajunen I can't believe there were no better players). Lepistö for example would have been better than all the dmen except maybe Honka and Lehtonen(again don't really know him well enough)
So Marjamäki has maybe 3-4 players that would be on team Finland if all players were available, which is pretty telling of the material he has to work with this year. And again if it's his fault that some NHL players aren't there I would like to know why(would love to see sources, if someone has any and not just this hearsay and rumors).