2017 Offseason Thread 4.0 - Free Agent Frenzy Time

[Ziggy Stardust]

I get it but it's just funny to me. This board is bi-polar and 90% of y'all have split personality disorder

Because adding productive players without giving up any assets is a bad thing?

 

[go4hockey]

What do you think we could get for Carter at the deadline now that all the kids are asking for Kopi money??

His contract and play and being a big piece of our core says you don't trade him.

 

[Kingsfan1]

10 million in cap space , move a very replaceable player in Clifford and all the cap hits and numbers work . If Marleau and Thornton come as a package deal together so they can win together maybe sign for 4 million each. You can get Shore , Brodzinski, Gravel, Ladue signed for less than 3.7 million. Shore will get 850-925,000 Brodzinski 850 , Ladue and Gravel for 850. That's 3.4 million. Roll with the deepest lineup we will have in along time and you don't have to move any defenseman and keep it our strength.

Marleau-Kopitar-Gaborik/Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Kempe-Thornton-Brown/Gaborik
Brodzinski-Shore-Lewis
Dowd,Andreoff,Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Gravel-Martinez
Fantenberg

Quick
Campbell

 

[go4hockey]

Greetings. Are you guys looking for more offense this offseason? Is Muzzin for a scoring winger something you guys would entertain?

Not at this point in time. Our defense is to thin without him and we need to see how this offseason works out first.

 

[go4hockey]

10 million in cap space , move a very replaceable player in Clifford and all the cap hits and numbers work . If Marleau and Thornton come as a package deal together so they can win together maybe sign for 4 million each. You can get Shore , Brodzinski, Gravel, Ladue signed for less than 3.7 million. Shore will get 850-925,000 Brodzinski 850 , Ladue and Gravel for 850. That's 3.4 million. Roll with the deepest lineup we will have in along time and you don't have to move any defenseman and keep it our strength.

Marleau-Kopitar-Gaborik/Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Kempe-Thornton-Brown/Gaborik
Brodzinski-Shore-Lewis
Dowd,Andreoff,Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Gravel-Martinez
Fantenberg

Quick
Campbell

This would be the dream off-season. And Blake would win over many early in his time at the top.

 

[MollerManor]

10 million in cap space , move a very replaceable player in Clifford and all the cap hits and numbers work . If Marleau and Thornton come as a package deal together so they can win together maybe sign for 4 million each. You can get Shore , Brodzinski, Gravel, Ladue signed for less than 3.7 million. Shore will get 850-925,000 Brodzinski 850 , Ladue and Gravel for 850. That's 3.4 million. Roll with the deepest lineup we will have in along time and you don't have to move any defenseman and keep it our strength.

Marleau-Kopitar-Gaborik/Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Kempe-Thornton-Brown/Gaborik
Brodzinski-Shore-Lewis
Dowd,Andreoff,Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Gravel-Martinez
Fantenberg

Quick
Campbell

Holy moly, now that's a team. A perfect balance of young kids and veteran leadership.

 

[Kingsfan1]

This would be the dream off-season. And Blake would win over many early in his time at the top.

Holy moly, now that's a team. A perfect balance of young kids and veteran leadership.

It's a dream off season and a championship team , I feel strongly about it happening too. If the rumors are true , we also have to get rid of one of Nolan,Andreoff or dowd to be at 23 roster players so we will not have any cap issues . Make it happen Blakey ! Bring up Amadio at end of season too and we have mOre hunger in the lineup . I'm loving it

 

[BallPointHammer]

I get it but it's just funny to me. This board is bi-polar and 90% of y'all have split personality disorder

You are describing most die-hard sports fan(atic)s. ☺

 

[Basilisk]

10 million in cap space , move a very replaceable player in Clifford and all the cap hits and numbers work . If Marleau and Thornton come as a package deal together so they can win together maybe sign for 4 million each. You can get Shore , Brodzinski, Gravel, Ladue signed for less than 3.7 million. Shore will get 850-925,000 Brodzinski 850 , Ladue and Gravel for 850. That's 3.4 million. Roll with the deepest lineup we will have in along time and you don't have to move any defenseman and keep it our strength.

Marleau-Kopitar-Gaborik/Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Kempe-Thornton-Brown/Gaborik
Brodzinski-Shore-Lewis
Dowd,Andreoff,Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Gravel-Martinez
Fantenberg

Quick
Campbell

The only thing missing from this is one RHD. Other than that, it looks pretty good!

 

[KINGS17]

The thing with Carter and his age is he could buck the trend and be a Marleau type that is worth his cap hit even at age 35 and beyond.

What could they get for him at this year's deadline? Would he get a Jack Johnson type defenseman and a first round pick like in 2012? That might be a tall order considering his age. I think a first round pick would definitely be included but don't know if you get an NHL player back or if it is a prospect.

If they get Thornton and all the best players are playing their best, they aren't trading Carter at the deadline. They'd be buyers and not sellers.

If the Kings are obvious non-contenders at the deadline, I think they have to move Carter, Martinez, and maybe even Muzzin.

It would be time to manage assets for their maximum return. What would be the point of any player over 30 years of age playing out the string with the Kings if they are not contenders?

I look at the Thornton rumors and I wonder if we are returning to the almost got there once days of Wayne Gretzky where a player is considered for acquisition because he is a former teammate and/or buddy of someone in the organization.

One of the things which would make a Thornton palatable is the only thing the Kings would be giving up is cap space. I wouldn't want to see it for any more than two years.

 

[Keith Sweaty]

Because adding productive players without giving up any assets is a bad thing?

Yep, total bad thing.

 

[Keith Sweaty]

Kessel has shown that good players who are brought in as a supplemental role can provide a lot to the team. I'd take Thornton at the right price.

If it's for his same salary, then no, that would be terrible.

Good point.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Thornton isn't playing on the 3rd line. If that's the deal with him signing here then he will sign somewhere else. Either Carter will move to wing or Joe will move to wing but he will be in the top 6. For any of you that don't play or have never played hockey ice time is important, playing 14 minutes a night compared to 20 minutes a night is a big deal. Thornton was at 18:04 last season at ES and 3:20 on the PP so if you cut his ice time drastically you will cut his offense. The last 5 seasons he has been in the 18 minute range so that would be where he wants to be and you don't get that on the 3d line.

 

[That70sline]

10 million in cap space , move a very replaceable player in Clifford and all the cap hits and numbers work . If Marleau and Thornton come as a package deal together so they can win together maybe sign for 4 million each. You can get Shore , Brodzinski, Gravel, Ladue signed for less than 3.7 million. Shore will get 850-925,000 Brodzinski 850 , Ladue and Gravel for 850. That's 3.4 million. Roll with the deepest lineup we will have in along time and you don't have to move any defenseman and keep it our strength.

Marleau-Kopitar-Gaborik/Brown
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Kempe-Thornton-Brown/Gaborik
Brodzinski-Shore-Lewis
Dowd,Andreoff,Nolan

Forbort-Doughty
Muzzin-Ladue
Gravel-Martinez
Fantenberg

Quick
Campbell

I Would try

MUZZIN
BROWN
LEWIS

for

PHANEUF
STONE

Sign Thornton 3 x 5m
Sign Iginla 1 x 2m

Iginla Kopi Stone
Pearson Carter Brodz/Gab(when ready)
Kempe Thornton Toffoli

Also the third line would play as much as the 2nd. roll 3 lines alot and the forth in the 6 minute range

 

[cyclones22]

Thornton isn't playing on the 3rd line. If that's the deal with him signing here then he will sign somewhere else. Either Carter will move to wing or Joe will move to wing but he will be in the top 6. For any of you that don't play or have never played hockey ice time is important, playing 14 minutes a night compared to 20 minutes a night is a big deal. Thornton was at 18:04 last season at ES and 3:20 on the PP so if you cut his ice time drastically you will cut his offense. The last 5 seasons he has been in the 18 minute range so that would be where he wants to be and you don't get that on the 3d line.

I agree with you, but when the Kings were rolling, i.e. 2014, The top 3 centers total TOI were as follows:

Kopitar: 21:13
Carter: 18:16
Stoll: 17:03

With Sutter out, hopefully Stevens doesn't kill Kopi with too much ice time. I see Joe getting about 18 minutes, regardless of which line he plays on. He's a good special teams player as well, so I don't see TOI being a problem. That being said, you can't just partner him with stiffs, either.

 

[The Tikkanen]

I agree with you, but when the Kings were rolling, i.e. 2014, The top 3 centers total TOI were as follows:

Kopitar: 21:13
Carter: 18:16
Stoll: 17:03

With Sutter out, hopefully Stevens doesn't kill Kopi with too much ice time. I see Joe getting about 18 minutes, regardless of which line he plays on. He's a good special teams player as well, so I don't see TOI being a problem. That being said, you can't just partner him with stiffs, either.

IMO, Carter has earned first line wing duties. His speed on the wing is an asset the Kings haven't had on line 1 in awhile. And if you can convince Brown to play hockey like he used to and not "save himself for the playoffs" you would have the perfect top line of a sniper in Carter, a defensively responsible playmaker in Kopitar and a power forward in Brown. Again, Pearson-Thornton-Toffoli would be an amazing 2nd line and I'd like to see Brodz-Kempe-Gaborik on the 3rd but I don't want to get greedy.

 

[Bandit]

IMO, Carter has earned first line wing duties. His speed on the wing is an asset the Kings haven't had on line 1 in awhile. And if you can convince Brown to play hockey like he used to and not "save himself for the playoffs" you would have the perfect top line of a sniper in Carter, a defensively responsible playmaker in Kopitar and a power forward in Brown. Again, Pearson-Thornton-Toffoli would be an amazing 2nd line and I'd like to see Brodz-Kempe-Gaborik on the 3rd but I don't want to get greedy.

Kopitar and Carter are both puckhogs and both want to carry the puck through the neutral zone. Don't see them working well together.

 

[KingsFan7824]

If he does sign here, all it does is gives them more options. Move Carter to wing, go with 3 centers. I'm sure all alignments will be tried at some point, depending on the night, depending on the opponent, who is going good, who isn't. No reason to set anything in stone.

 

[deeshamrock]

Kopitar and Carter are both puckhogs and both want to carry the puck through the neutral zone. Don't see them working well together.

Other than on the PP, they don't work well together and nor should they. You can't force chemistry. Better to keep JC at wing on line 2 , if they sign Thorton. You get more balance scoring attack on both lines. And would be tougher for teams deciding who to defend You're paying Thorton 5M on a multi year deal to be on the third line with third line wingers, just makes no sense.

 

[Little Psycho]

@DennisTFP

Gave you Kings interest in Thornton first on Sunday, here's another nugget. LA among the teams who have contacted Justin Williams camp

What are we the Blackhawks?

 

[johnjm22]

We're really setting ourselves up for disappointment around here if Thornton isn't signed.

I've been a Kings fan since 1993 and I don't ever recall us landing the big fish free agent. Everytime it looked like there was a possibility we'd get our hopes up and it would never happen.

Demitra is the biggest free agent signing I can remember us making.

 

[johnjm22]

Thornton isn't playing on the 3rd line. If that's the deal with him signing here then he will sign somewhere else. Either Carter will move to wing or Joe will move to wing but he will be in the top 6. For any of you that don't play or have never played hockey ice time is important, playing 14 minutes a night compared to 20 minutes a night is a big deal. Thornton was at 18:04 last season at ES and 3:20 on the PP so if you cut his ice time drastically you will cut his offense. The last 5 seasons he has been in the 18 minute range so that would be where he wants to be and you don't get that on the 3d line.

It's possible to run 3 scoring lines. If Thornton lands here, he'll get his ice time even if we keep Carter/Kopitar/Thornton all at center.

I think Stevens would experiment with using them all as centers, and with moving Carter to Thornton's wing. Both configurations can work.

 

[Reclamation Project]

@DennisTFP

Gave you Kings interest in Thornton first on Sunday, here's another nugget. LA among the teams who have contacted Justin Williams camp

What are we the Blackhawks?

Well, we already stole one player from the Hawks!

 

[The Tikkanen]

Well, we already stole one player from the Hawks!

It was only a matter of time. Anybody who used to work for the Kings will be rumored by all the experts to return and 90% of the fans will be in favor. I think I could float a teddy Purcell returning rumor and there would be fans who say "we should give him another shot".

 

[Reclamation Project]

What's Scott Parse up to these days?