2017 Offseason Thread 3.0

[ScoreZeGoals]

the perfect trifecta would be ...

1 - get Voynov back
2 - move Muzzin + for Drouin
3 - move out Brown + w/ 11OA

It says a lot about the current situation of the team when the "perfect" situation involves:

1 - Bringing back a wife beater
2 - Trading Muzzin while his value is probably at it's lowest
3 - Continuing to mortgage the future just to get out of a contract

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[KINGS17]

Nick Bjugstad was actually the guy i wanted over Forbort... well second to Tarasenko anyways lol..

But yes, I threw that name out because the Panthers seem to want to get rid of his contract and I honestly believe if he comes here he turns into an elite 3C with 35-40 point potential.. Plus you could pair him with Brown (looked a lot better last season) and Brodzinski (didn't score in his few games but was dangerous on the ice)...

What would it take to get Bjugstad ??? Amart in a straight up trade?? Its a swap of salary and allows us to go to a 7-3-1 format for the expansion draft

Kopitar - Carter - Toffoli - Pearson - Bjugstad - Lewis - Dowd

Doughty - Muzzin - Forbort

Quick

We could still go after a Jumbo Joe if we choose too

Pearson - Kopitar - Toffoli
Brown - Thornton - Carter
Kempe - Bjugstad - Brodzinki
Lewis - Dowd - Nolan
Send KC to the AHL, place Gabby on LTIR until he's healthy

Forbort - Doughty
Muzzin - LaDue
Fantenberg - Gravel
MacDermid who can protect our guys and is pretty decent, place Greene on LTIR

Quick
Campbell

We'd still have the #11 OA and Michael Amadio and Austin Wagner who figure to see some time on the big club

I would be more than okay with a straight up Martinez for Bjugstad swap. It can happen before or after the expansion draft. I think before might hold certain advantages for the Kings that don't exist for TB.

 

[funky]

We do need a young center in the organization. If Friedman is right and Galchenyuk is going to be moved, Blake should be giving Montreal a call. Although considering what the Canadians traded Subban for, I think I know exactly what they'd want from the Kings.

Another young center is RNH. A lot of people are down on him, but I think he's going to be a late bloomer, and is already showing he can play a 2-way role.

Galchenyuk interests me as well. Young, good size and skilled. Fills a top 6 need. Carter and him can take turns on draws. I think it would be interesting to actually bench cope with her when he goes into his funk for a game or two and let him recharge and with two other top six centers on the team we could afford to do that.

Not an RNH fan, but after saying that I don't have any reason to say why. All I can think of is some fans made him out to be a top end #1 center and he didn't live up to that hype. I think he would fill the second line center role well as long as your not expecting a two headed moster like Crosby Malkin. Will be an interesting off season

 

[funky]

It says a lot about the current situation of the team when the "perfect" situation involves:

1 - Bringing back a wife beater
2 - Trading Muzzin while his value is probably at it's lowest
3 - Continuing to mortgage the future just to get out of a contract

Ha ha. Thanks for giving me my dose of reality pills this morning. We have fallen a bit over the years in our expectations it seems but hopefully something good emerges this off season to put us back on track.

 

[kings11]

I would be more than okay with a straight up Martinez for Bjugstad swap. It can happen before or after the expansion draft. I think before might hold certain advantages for the Kings that don't exist for TB.

Bjugstad and Amadio could solidify the C position for this team and a s a back up we'd have Carter.. granted thats if we were to sign Jumbo Joe...

 

[KINGS17]

Galchenyuk interests me as well. Young, good size and skilled. Fills a top 6 need. Carter and him can take turns on draws. I think it would be interesting to actually bench cope with her when he goes into his funk for a game or two and let him recharge and with two other top six centers on the team we could afford to do that.

Not an RNH fan, but after saying that I don't have any reason to say why. All I can think of is some fans made him out to be a top end #1 center and he didn't live up to that hype. I think he would fill the second line center role well as long as your not expecting a two headed moster like Crosby Malkin. Will be an interesting off season

Sincerely doubt the Kings have the assets required to land Galchenyuk or Nugent-Hopkins. The Galchenyuk or Johansen type deals need to have happened in the summer to 2015 if they were going to occur.

 

[KINGS17]

Bjugstad and Amadio could solidify the C position for this team and a s a back up we'd have Carter.. granted thats if we were to sign Jumbo Joe...

We don't need Joe Thornton. The guy would probably come in and give it a valiant effort, but he is on the verge of breaking down completely.

 

[HookKing]

It says a lot about the current situation of the team when the "perfect" situation involves:

1 - Bringing back a wife beater
2 - Trading Muzzin while his value is probably at it's lowest
3 - Continuing to mortgage the future just to get out of a contract

There is no future left to mortgage. Kings have made it plain with the Toffoli and Pearson contracts -- 3 years left to go for it. If Blake wants to win a cup he has to overpay with picks/prospects to make the team better. Starting right now.

Kings will of course be at or near the bottom of the standings after those 3 years but so what? It will accelerate the inevitable rebuild.

Turning into the Detroit of recent years is an awful option.

 

[Kingspiracy]

I was opposed to moving the pick but not so much now.

The cap space would be huge even if you don't spend it on a free agent.

LA still has RFAs to sign and yes those contracts don't tend to be crazy but in a couple years LaDue and others will need to be paid while Muzzin, Brown, Gabby , etc get older.

I equate it to Richards. Move the player while the opportunity is there.

I love the draft and am always amped for it. The more I hear about and research it, the more I think these guys are not gonna be huge impact players. Maybe a few will surprise like every year.

So many in that 5-30 range are about equal in terms of upside. I even wonder if LA should move back in the 12-20 range and nab and extra 2cd. The difference isn't that huge with these guys.

Seems like it could be a very interesting draft.

I don't see the point in paying to move Gabby or Brown. If we needed the space to sign TT or Pearson, then sure. If we need it to sign oshie or someone to a 6x7, then we are just spunking a first to have the same problen in a couple of years time.

Trade the 1st towards Gally or Duchene or someone a bit younger, or choose the best kid available in the draft. They may actually end up worth more than a 1st in a year or two.

I don't feel like this is similar to the Richards situation, that was a free option to buy him out, moving Gabby or Brown to vegas would cost a lot.

 

[KingsFan7824]

It says a lot about the current situation of the team when the "perfect" situation involves:

1 - Bringing back a wife beater
2 - Trading Muzzin while his value is probably at it's lowest
3 - Continuing to mortgage the future just to get out of a contract

Well that's one opinion of a perfect situation. The real perfect situation is Kopitar scores 25 again, the other usual suspects all play up to their potential, Gaborik gets back up to 20+, Brown at least hits on a consistent basis, LaDue, Gravel, and Forbort round out the top 6 into a top 3 or 5 unit in the league, and the Kings keep all their picks. Then none of those 3 things listed as the perfect situation have to happen.

 

[deaderhead28]

I don't see the point in paying to move Gabby or Brown. If we needed the space to sign TT or Pearson, then sure. If we need it to sign oshie or someone to a 6x7, then we are just spunking a first to have the same problen in a couple of years time.

Trade the 1st towards Gally or Duchene or someone a bit younger, or choose the best kid available in the draft. They may actually end up worth more than a 1st in a year or two.

I don't feel like this is similar to the Richards situation, that was a free option to buy him out, moving Gabby or Brown to vegas would cost a lot.

That's all good if we only needed to upgrade one spot, but we need 3 upgrades to the roster and need the cap to do it.Brown and Gabs need to be moved to make room.The core is getting even older this season and no where near a cup contender and all this denial and complacently about what needs to be done is the Lombardi Factor.

 

[Kingspiracy]

That's all good if we only needed to upgrade one spot, but we need 3 upgrades to the roster and need the cap to do it.Brown and Gabs need to be moved to make room.The core is getting even older this season and no where near a cup contender and all this denial about what needs to be done is the Lombardi Factor.

I'm not seeing it.

We could move muzzin / martinez +/- for an elc kid winger, trade the 1st for a younger 3c (if we aren't going to make the pick) Then let the D mature.

We have other options than paying to move Brown or Gabby. For all we know gabby will end up retiring injured in a year or two. Or both of these guys could improve this year with a different voice in the room and a little more open style of play.

I would only pay to move Brown or Gabby if we are absolutely forced to. Its suicide to keep moving youth for past errors in judgement.


oh dear we are over 1000, in before the lock!!!!

 

[KINGS17]

Over 1,000!!!!

Danger!! Danger, Will Robinson!!!

 

[Kingspiracy]

 

[OldGreatWestern]

It says a lot about the current situation of the team when the "perfect" situation involves:

1 - Bringing back a wife beater
2 - Trading Muzzin while his value is probably at it's lowest
3 - Continuing to mortgage the future just to get out of a contract

yes it does

 

[OldGreatWestern]

Well that's one opinion of a perfect situation. The real perfect situation is Kopitar scores 25 again, the other usual suspects all play up to their potential, Gaborik gets back up to 20+, Brown at least hits on a consistent basis, LaDue, Gravel, and Forbort round out the top 6 into a top 3 or 5 unit in the league, and the Kings keep all their picks. Then none of those 3 things listed as the perfect situation have to happen.

yeah, lets just keep wishing that happens (like we have been for the last few seasons)

but yes you are right, that is a far more perfect situation.

 

[dman3474]

I like RNH, would love to get him. I was always indifferent to him but for some reason this year he won me over, played harder, back checked, and has that high level of hockey sense that would be great to have.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

RNH also has a cap hit of $6M.

 

[Reaper45]

Why is everyone so high on Bjugstad? He's a whole lotta meh for me. '

 

[Reclamation Project]

No interest in Jugstand.

 

[Mike Carr]

i think people are over the top re Brown - last year he was one of our best. His points were ok but he still is near the top in hits etc. Yes he is likely 1 - 1.5 overpaid but it isn't as bad as people make out. Kopitar and Gaborik were more of a problem last year. Ok with moving him as part of a trade which sees us bring in a player we need, bt wouldn't give away assets just to get the cap room.

 

[goosh]

As much as it'd be nice to move Brown's contract, I'm hoping that, should it happen, the Kings use that cap space wisely. A lot of people are married to the idea of trading Brown, and forget that this move on its own simply rids the Kings of a great third-line winger (and a leader) at a high cost.

 

[Reaper45]

As much as it'd be nice to move Brown's contract, I'm hoping that, should it happen, the Kings use that cap space wisely. A lot of people are married to the idea of trading Brown, and forget that this move on its own simply rids the Kings of a great third-line winger (and a leader) at a high cost.

I've yet to see anyone who wants Brown gone come up with a suitable replacement for him.

 

[KINGS17]

Why is everyone so high on Bjugstad? He's a whole lotta meh for me. '

I wouldn't say I am particularly high on Bjugstad. He is a young centerman with some upside the Kings could afford in a trade. It's a bit of a risk, but it's a calculated move.

It's not like the Kings are going to get a Barkov or Nugent-Hopkins with what they have to offer.

 

[go4hockey]

RNH also has a cap hit of $6M.

And is worth maybe 4 of it. He is soft as butter and seemed to disappear in the big games and all of the playoffs. He is the last guy I would want.