Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

[Machinehead]

I wish we had 4-5 more like him on our roster . You can never have enough of guys that hate to lose .

We have 23 guys that hate to lose.

 

[FireGerardGallant]

I feel like Grapes might have an aneurysm over this tonight. Coaches corner is gonna happen after the first period of the Leafs and Nucks right?

 

[SnowFort]

Apparently Max Pacioretty really, really loved what Lias did haha.

 

[Ratelleitlikeitis]

I feel like Grapes might have an aneurysm over this tonight. Coaches corner is gonna happen after the first period of the Leafs and Nucks right?

That should be about 7:45 EST. Here's my prediction. Grapes will mention the passing of Johnny Bower this week. If you followed that story you probably saw the film clip of Gordie Howe hugging Bower after Bower's Leafs had just defeated Howe's Wings to take the Cup. That grace and respect shown for the opposition in the magnitude of that situation should be universally offered by any team in any sport and shown to young players as the standard for how you approach that moment. If the argument offered was that it was fifty years ago and not applicable today, then it's a sad comment on the purpose of sport.

 

[mike14]

That should be about 7:45 EST. Here's my prediction. Grapes will mention the passing of Johnny Bower this week. If you followed that story you probably saw the film clip of Gordie Howe hugging Bower after Bower's Leafs had just defeated Howe's Wings to take the Cup. That grace and respect shown for the opposition in the magnitude of that situation should be universally offered by any team in any sport and shown to young players as the standard for how you approach that moment. If the argument offered was that it was fifty years ago and not applicable today, then it's a sad comment on the purpose of sport.

Do we know whether Lias offered anyone a hug? Was he refused?

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Apparently Max Pacioretty really, really loved what Lias did haha.

Paccioretty to NYR (E4)

 

[FireGerardGallant]

Apparently Max Pacioretty really, really loved what Lias did haha.

Its nice to see future teammates be on the same page

 

[Cassano]

I wish we had 4-5 more like him on our roster . You can never have enough of guys that hate to lose .

We had Dubinsky who flipped over a gatorade cooler and everyone wanted him traded that offseason.

 

[darko]

Its nice to see future teammates be on the same page

Let's hope that's not the case.

 

[mike14]

That should be about 7:45 EST. Here's my prediction. Grapes will mention the passing of Johnny Bower this week. If you followed that story you probably saw the film clip of Gordie Howe hugging Bower after Bower's Leafs had just defeated Howe's Wings to take the Cup. That grace and respect shown for the opposition in the magnitude of that situation should be universally offered by any team in any sport and shown to young players as the standard for how you approach that moment. If the argument offered was that it was fifty years ago and not applicable today, then it's a sad comment on the purpose of sport.

To give a less flippant response; are the situations really similar at all?

Firstly, as far as I know, Anderson acknowledged everyone on the winning team, and showed them respect.
- We don't know what Howe would have done with his Stanley Cup loser medal, as they don't have them
- The two teams had just played a 4 (it was still 4 wasn't it?) game series against each other, which is a bit different to a one off championship game
- Howe had won several cups, and could probably expect to play off for a few more. It's a lot easier to 'show respect' when you are already a champion
- Anderson can never play for Junior World Championship again
- I'm assuming Bower and Howe knew each other, had been playing with and against each other since they were quite young? you are going to have more emotional attachment to someone you know, Anderson has only seen his opposition in IIHF play, he doesn't know them.

Howe and Bower is a great image, but until Anderson has been in the league a few years and won/lost a Stanley Cup, comparing his actions to those of Howe/Bower would be asinine as the situations are very, very different

 

[darko]

It was a disrespectful thing to do by a kid who is very passionate about the game. It's good to see how much he cares, but he handled it poorly. It's certainly not the end of the world, but too often people confuse "leadership" with "I want them to handle it how I would have handled it! Be mad like me!"

Disrespectful to who?

 

[mike14]

Disrespectful to who?

I feel that "it's Mabo, it's the vibe" is the perfect response here

 

[Ola]

No, the organization won't implode over it. But "Rangers prospect" will be mentioned in the same breath as "Lias Andersson" in articles.

Is there anything wrong with that?

 

[darko]

A couple of folks said it better than me. I do not agree with the medal throwing. Whether you want to compare this medal as a nothing piece of metal versus the unique Conn Smythe trophy is irrelevant. You just don't toss something that was JUST given to you, no matter how worthless you personally feel about it. It was worth something in the giver's eyes. Look at this way: Hey grandma, thanks for the ugly sweater. I'm in kind of a foul mood, though, and everyone ought to know I'm pissed off. So I'll just toss this thing to a stranger who I think would want it more than me. Because I don't want it. But thanks again, grandma.

Do you think this kind of act would gain approval by your close peers much less anyone and does this kind of an act not look to be disrespectful?

Ugly sweater is a gift. Silver medal isn't, it's something he's earned. If i pick up a paycheck from my boss and on the way out i hand it to some random guy, is that disrespectful to my boss? It shouldn't be.

 

[Ola]

To be honest I think a few freaked out over it when it happend, but I would bet he gained a better reputation from it than had he not done it.

The funny thing is, I also think it’s a bit of a misunderstood situation. It’s hard to explain, but on 17 December Sweden’s biggest athlete at the moment, Swimmer Sarah Sjöström, gave a gold medal from the World Championships to a die hard fan (that I think has a mental handicap), see Sarah Sjöström gav bort sin guldmedalj. She wins a bunch of them, but it was a discussed some at least and many thought it was a bit disrespectful in a sense, she gets to many golds now that she are giving them away? But she just described it as how the medal would mean more to this fan than her and it was accepted.

The situations are of course not even remotely compareable, but it was a split second decision by Lias to toss the medal when someone asked if he could have it and in that context it can, as a “bad decision”, somewhat he explained since someone else did it, even if that someone else did it in another context.

 

[Alluckks]

Have the same feeling about this. If CM11 tossed his bronze medal into the stands, this thread would've gone ape**** over it.

We always protect our own.

Mixed feelings about what LA decided to do. I understand it from a human perspective. He was pissed, he's young, he showed emotion, you like that drive. Also, he didn't necessarily disrespect his teammates, or the opposition. Baker Mayfield walking off the field not shaking anyone's hand on Georgia, I hated that. Lias Andersson throwing his silver medal into the stands? Okay. I think I get it.

CM11 would've reached the upper bowl, though, that's for sure.

The kid can't do a single pullup, I'm not sure his toss could have even gone over the boards.

You win to get a bronze medal, you lose to get a silver.

 

[Alluckks]

I love the fire hank is the same and it should take him a long way but I do not like what he did. He does wear the C he’s representing his country it wasn’t the most mature thing to do.

Good pros know how to not get to high not get to low he’ll learn from this.

The real story should be how well he played in this tourney. He’s opened some eyes for sure.

What do you know about being mature, let alone in that situation? Drop the soapbox.

 

[Alluckks]

What a loser.

Please don't stand that close to the mirror

 

[will1066]

To be honest I think a few freaked out over it when it happend, but I would bet he gained a better reputation from it than had he not done it.

The funny thing is, I also think it’s a bit of a misunderstood situation. It’s hard to explain, but on 17 December Sweden’s biggest athlete at the moment, Swimmer Sarah Sjöström, gave a gold medal from the World Championships to a die hard fan (that I think has a mental handicap), see Sarah Sjöström gav bort sin guldmedalj. She wins a bunch of them, but it was a discussed some at least and many thought it was a bit disrespectful in a sense, she gets to many golds now that she are giving them away? But she just described it as how the medal would mean more to this fan than her and it was accepted.

The situations are of course not even remotely compareable, but it was a split second decision by Lias to toss the medal when someone asked if he could have it and in that context it can, as a “bad decision”, somewhat he explained since someone else did it, even if that someone else did it in another context.

Sarah related to Freddy Sjöström?

 

[Alluckks]

I guess we'll disagree on this one.

If he wants to make a statement/call his teammates out in the locker room, give the medal to a kid off the ice, good for him. I'm all for it.

This comes off more as showboating and making the scene about him instead of the winners. Maybe that's not how he intended it, but it's how it is.

Would you be okay if a loser in the SCFinals won the Conn Smythe and then smashed it on the ground right in front of Pierre and the camera? It just seems showy and the kind of thing that won't make you friends around the league.

That isn't equivalent at all, what in the world are you talking about? He didn't spike it into the ground, he didn't rifle it aimlessly into the stands. He went over, bowed his head, received the medal how he was supposed to, and then tossed it to a fan. He did an interview after and answered all questions about it like a mature adult. He said he didn't regret it, didn't want the medal, and didn't want it back. He said he had a silver medal from the U18 tournament already and it hasn't done anything but gather dust; he said that the fan wanted that medal more than he did - because it isn't something memorable to him but would mean the world to a fan who would go home and put in a box, display it, or whatever.

If you're going to insult someone for their actions or take offense to it then atleast stick to the facts and don't create hyperbolic analogies just to suit some ill contrived narrative.

 

[Alluckks]

I'll elaborate on my disrespectful comment.

There are a lot of people that have a hand in putting this team together. They worked hard to get these players prepared and ready for this tournament. The trainers specifically for Lias himself with the shoulder issue.

Not everyone is going to win gold. And if you believe that you put your best effort forward, losing is nothing to be ashamed of or mad about.

It's perfectly fine to be disappointed, but as the captain of that team, there is a time and place to show that disappointment. That was not a spur of the moment decision. He thought about that up to the point he did it and still went ahead and did it anyway. It shows poor sportsmanship on his part.

Definitely NOT something a leader does. Not a leader I'd have any respect for.

That boy has a ton of growing up to do.

He says he want to be a leader, this was not what leaders do.

Grow up kid.

You don't know what you are talking about and don't understand the context. He isn't losing sleep because of your lack of respect for him over some cockamamie reasoning.

 

[darko]

The real story should be how well he played in this tourney. He’s opened some eyes for sure.

Making your and Broadway Storm's comments last few weeks about him sound real stupid.

 

[Alluckks]

I don't get the fuss over a guy throwing a medal into the stands.

It is even less than that. He didn't just chuck it into the stands, he gave it to a fan.

 

[Alluckks]

How about a crime of passion allegory then? No, Lias didn't kill anyone as he raged over his defeat. But in crime of passion cases, does the passion excuse the crime?

I am not saying Lias is criminal. I am not even saying Lias is a spoiled brat. Yes, he is passionate. But when this kid is being touted as being mature and plays an older man's type of game for his age, tossing a medal into the crowd would not be a clip I would roll out from Lias' file folder in support of that assessment.

Is it the end of the world? No, it isn't. I'm not calling him classless, I'm not comparing him to Sean Avery, nor am I outraged over his action. To me, it was clearly a sign of disrespect, it wasn't a proper thing to do, and it was something he could have handled better.

The majority of the professional hockey world disagrees.

 

[darko]

Sarah related to Freddy Sjöström?

Don't think so.