Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kovy quoting Brooks' opinion reminds me of this:



"You bring us the whispers of a traitor, half a world away, and call it fact?" hahahah

 

[Edge]

Edge be in this thread like

I like Kovy. I just strongly disagree with him on this point.

Trust me, this is the tamer, older, tired Edge.

I’m the first to admit I could be a real pain in the ass back in the day. This is the Disney version of me.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Unless there’s a link stating a fact like this guy put up this amount of points in this year. you should take everyone’s posts on here this board in general as opinions edge. Brooks article supports my opinion.

The eye test tells me he’s not a future top line player. That’s obviously my opinion. If I speak in certainties that still is my opinion. I am not an accredited member of the press.

But I can’t believe anyone that has seen Lias play and seen Mittlestadt play could say they are on the same level talent wise or at least have a similar upside of being a top line player. That’s shocking to me.

Honest question: How many times have you seen him play?

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

I like Kovy. I just strongly disagree with him on this point.

Trust me, this is the tamer, older, tired Edge.

I’m the first to admit I could be a real pain in the ass back in the day. This is the Disney version of me.

Makes total sense, Marvel is a subsidiary of Disney.

 

[Kovalev27]

Yeah by "they" I mean the organization. People can't "put the pom poms down" and admit the org screwed up because they don't agree with you that the org screwed up. That's your opinion. People can disagree with others' opinions.

Sure they can no one is stopping u

 

[haveandare]

Unless there’s a link stating a fact like this guy put up this amount of points in this year. you should take everyone’s posts on here this board in general as opinions edge. Brooks article supports my opinion.

The eye test tells me he’s not a future top line player. That’s obviously my opinion. If I speak in certainties that still is my opinion. I am not an accredited member of the press.

But I can’t believe anyone that has seen Lias play and seen Mittlestadt play could say they are on the same level talent wise or at least have a similar upside of being a top line player. That’s shocking to me.

Because Mittlestadt has only played against other kids. Some people thought St Croix was going to be a solid NHLer because he abused other kids using sick hands. Mittlestadt is almost certainly going to turn out to be a way better player, but it's not as if players with slick hands and puck skills have never thrived against other kids and then had trouble against men.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Because Mittlestadt has only played against other kids. Some people thought St Croix was going to be a solid NHLer because he abused other kids using sick hands. Mittlestadt is almost certainly going to turn out to be a way better player, but it's not as if players with slick hands and puck skills have never thrived against other kids and then had trouble against men.

QoO matters

 

[haveandare]

Sure they can no one is stopping u

That's the answer to your question. It's not hard for people to say because they agree but have some unexplained love for the guy. It's "hard to say" because people don't agree that it's true.

Why it’s so hard for members of this board to put the Pom poms down for a second and say yeah we screwed up, AS WEVE OFTEN DONE early in the first round over the years is beyond me.

 

[Kovalev27]

Honest question: How many times have you seen him play?

Ugh

The entire wjcs the prospect camp main camp few Hartford games and since I have Fios I caught him a few times on that bein channel which is awesome you get to see shesterkin plenty there too. But enough to see that he’s a good player good on the pp good shot good around the net doesn’t skate well doesn’t have good size and isn’t a puck carrier or quarterback. Nothing elite about him. You get a very different sense when you watch chytil. Doesn’t mean I don’t like him just don’t like the pick considering our lack of high end talent and that we read plenty that he was nhl ready he wasn’t. Is any of that really so inaccurate?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Ugh

The entire wjcs the prospect camp main camp few Hartford games and since I have Fios I caught him a few times on that bein channel which is awesome you get to see shesterkin plenty there too. But enough to see that he’s a good player good on the pp good shot good around the net doesn’t skate well doesn’t have good size and isn’t a puck carrier or quarterback. Nothing elite about him. You get a very different sense when you watch chytil. Doesn’t mean I don’t like him just don’t like the pick considering our lack of high end talent and that we read plenty that he was nhl ready he wasn’t. Is any of that really so inaccurate?

You keep saying this, but why do experts constantly rank him at the top of prospect lists?

 

[mrmovies779]

Two SECONDARY assists

That smile...Jokeresque

 

[Levitate]

I don't have a problem with some analysis on Andersson's game, and I don't think it's insane to say that "hey he doesn't have a bunch of standout elite level skills like skating or stick handling" but I think people downplay his work ethic and tenacity and head for the game along with the skills he does have...sure, sometimes those things are just excuses for a guy who doesn't have the skill to hack it, but if Andersson had elite skills and the same kind of mental makeup that he does he'd have gone 1st overall.

There are tons of guys who have sick hands, nasty shots, explosive skating, etc, but get to the NHL and can't put it all together at a level that makes them an elite or even top line player. The NHL is frickin' hard and just being skilled isn't nearly enough. Being smart, being tenacious, and having some skills is one way to be a very good player in the NHL. Knowing how to use the skills you have is better than having the skills but not knowing how and when to use them.

I'm not making any comparisons between prospects at all here but from what I've seen of Andersson I think he has some underrated skills along with a mental game that puts him ahead of a lot of players his age and older. Put it all together and you could have a very valuable player.

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to:

A. Consider Andersson a very good prospect with a lot of NHL caliber qualities.
B. Have lingering doubts about his upside.
C. Be disappointed that the NYR chose to, at minimum, be a little conservative with their highest pick in 13 years.

Because that's where I stand and I consider myself to be relatively reasonable, at least during the daytime hours. But that could be a lack of self-awareness on my part.

 

[Edge]

Only one can survive.

I have some weird Star Trek "fight scene" theme music going through my head.

 

[Edge]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to:

A. Consider Andersson a very good prospect with a lot of NHL caliber qualities.
B. Have lingering doubts about his upside.
C. Be disappointed that the NYR chose to, at minimum, be a little conservative with their highest pick in 13 years.

Because that's where I stand and I consider myself to be relatively reasonable, at least during the daytime hours. But that could be a lack of self-awareness on my part.

I think all of that is fair.

I don't fault anyone for feeling that way, or for having an opinion different from mine.

All the things you listed aside, thus far, our 2017 first round picks have had a very good post-draft season.

I mean there's no getting around that the early returns, growth and response to challenges have been positive and encouraging.

If nothing else, that should at least be reason for some happiness.

 

[haveandare]

Look at a guy like Parise. Good around the net, hard worker, leader, etc. Similar profile to Lias in that way. Guy scored 30+ goals 6 or so times, scored 90+ points one year, 80+ another and 60+ plenty of times.

A player can put up big points playing this type of game if they're good at it and work hard at it.

I'm not saying Lias can or will score like that, but the point is that it is possible to do with his type of game. You don't have to be Panarin to put the puck in the net. A goal is a goal no matter how it comes.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I have some weird Star Trek "fight scene" theme music going through my head.

 

[effen]

would you guys be disappointed if he turned out to be a better Brandon Dubinsky?

I think it's an interesting question. It's probably a little above the average 7th OV pick if you put them on a spectrum.

 

[Edge]

Look at a guy like Parise. Good around the net, hard worker, leader, etc. Similar profile to Lias in that way. Guy scored 30+ goals 6 or so times, scored 90+ points one year, 80+ another and 60+ plenty of times.

A player can put up big points playing this type of game if they're good at it and work hard at it.

I'm not saying Lias can or will score like that, but the point is that it is possible to do with his type of game. You don't have to be Panarin to put the puck in the net. A goal is a goal no matter how it comes.

I think Andersson is also the type of guy whose point totals could jump depending on the situation he is placed in.

While he's not a guy who should be the focal point of a team's offense, he shouldn't be a passenger either.

He's a smart player, and that's something I wouldn't discount at the NHL level. One of the things that stood out at the WJC for me was the way he brought something out in a guy like Pettersson. It wasn't the other way around.

To me, that was the epitome of the type of thing the Rangers are hoping to see translate to the NHL level.

 

[Trxjw]

Best part is he scored his first professional North American goal and added two assists, one of which was the game winning goal, today.

Yet we’re talking about Casey Middelstadt again.

That's because Mittelstadt would've scored 3 game winning goals today. 1 GWG in a game is NOT worth a 7th overall pick.

 

[Mac n Gs]

That's because Mittelstadt would've scored 3 game winning goals today. 1 GWG in a game is NOT worth a 7th overall pick.

6-1 OTW DOUBLE HAT TRICK FOR MIDDELSTADT

 

[Hunter Gathers]

Sweden seems like it would be a higher land, too.

 

[Gordon Bombay]

I don't watch our prospects, I don't have the time but this kid sounds like everything that is missing from the Rangers right now. I know it's not the majority but the reactions are kinda ironic in a way.

 

[effen]

For giggles I took the 7th picks from 2000 and classified them at their peak:
00 - Lars Jonsson (Bust)
01 - Mike Komisarek (Second/Third pairing DFD)
02 - Joffrey Lupul (middle 6 winger)
03 - Ryan Suter (#1 Defenseman)
04 - Rostislav Olesz (Bust)
05 - Jack Skille (Bust)
06 - Kyle Okposo (top-6 winger)
07 - Jakub Voracek (top line winger)
08 - Colin Wilson (middle-6 forward)
09 - Nazem Kadri (#2 Center)
10 - Jeff SKinner (top line winger)
11 - Mark Scheifele (#1 Center)
12 - Mathew Dumba (top-4 OFD)
13 - Darnell Nurse (top-4 D)
14 - Haydn Fleury (rookie bottom pairing DFD)
15 - Ivan Provorov (top-2 D)
16 - Clayton Keller (top line winger)
Peaks:
2 Franchise Guys (Scheifele, Suter)
3 Top Line/Pairing Guys (Voracek, Keller, Provorov, Skinner)
6 Top 6/Top 4 Guys (Lupul, Okposo, Kadri, Dumba, Nurse, Lupul)
3 Bottom 6/Bottom pairing Guys (Komisarek, Wilson, Fleury)
3 Busts (Jonsson, Olesz, Skille)

Lotta really solid NHLers in there. Not a lot of HUGE huge talents. If you could lock in one of the top 6/4 guys (lupul, okposo, etc.) career right now for Lias I think you do it. I think the Rangers would too, and that was part of the idea. JMO.

 

[Harbour Dog]

I think it's perfectly reasonable to:

A. Consider Andersson a very good prospect with a lot of NHL caliber qualities.
B. Have lingering doubts about his upside.
C. Be disappointed that the NYR chose to, at minimum, be a little conservative with their highest pick in 13 years.

Because that's where I stand and I consider myself to be relatively reasonable, at least during the daytime hours. But that could be a lack of self-awareness on my part.

Pretty much where I'm at.

There were a couple riskier picks that I would of preferred personally, but Lias has done nothing but show his worth since he got over that ridiculous travel schedule.