Prospect Info: 2017 NHL Draft / Pick #7 - Lias Andersson (C)

[UnSandvich]

Well considering I along with edge are the only ones not being nasty here for voicing differing opinions to the contrary no doesn’t violate anything.

I do think you’re completely wrong. Having an nhl level shot not elite just nhl level and being a solid net front presence does not translate to first line talent especially when you don’t skate all that well and you’re 5’11.

I thought you said, and I quote: "Not one expert nor anyone I know HERE projects Lias as a first line talent. If you think otherwise say so don’t say I’m being bias I’d like to hear the reasons you see that would say otherwise." I clearly stated my belief that he is, as well as my reasoning, and you proceeded to completely ignore pretty much everything I said.

Have fun attempting to deny your bias though. I'm just calling a spade a spade.

 

[Kovalev27]

Nowhere have I ever said Andersson isn’t a good player. In fact you’ll find it in many posts me complimenting the player

And @Edge let’s also be fair. He played 5 games and did nothing before today. Two assists off face off wins. So yeah I hope he builds on today it’s the first game anyone that’s watched has noticed him. Goes both ways my friend.

It is possible that both Mittlestadt AND Andersson will be good players.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Nowhere have I ever said Andersson isn’t a good player. In fact you’ll find it in many posts me complimenting the player

And @Edge let’s also be fair. He played 5 games and did nothing before today. Two assists off face off wins. So yeah I hope he builds on today it’s the first game anyone that’s watched has noticed him. Goes both ways my friend.

You do realize he is one of the youngest players in the entire league, right?

 

[Kovalev27]

Yes which is why I said I hope he can build off of what he did today. Jesus

 

[silverfish]

Loving the fact that nothing short of walking on water is ever going to even get more than a passing acknowledgement from those who wanted someone else.

Okay, who cares?

This thread constantly devolves into a shit show because a poster who didn't like the pick (there are more than this guy, but he's the most vocal), posts in this thread, and then everyone goes insane because if you're not defending LA then well you can't be a Rangers fan, I guess.

Everytime someone says "Mittlestadt" this thread blows up for five pages because of all the defending people feel like they need to do.

Just walk away, man. When they go low, we go high.

MEANWHILE FOR SOME REASON EVERYONE IS IGNORING FUTURE 30G SCORER OWEN TIPPETT I MEAN COME ON. ANDERSSON SUCKS TIPPET RULEZ.

 

[Edge]

Nowhere have I ever said Andersson isn’t a good player. In fact you’ll find it in many posts me complimenting the player

And @Edge let’s also be fair. He played 5 games and did nothing before today. Two assists off face off wins. So yeah I hope he builds on today it’s the first game anyone that’s watched has noticed him. Goes both ways my friend.

Why is everything he do automatically downplayed?

Oh well, he only had two points in 5 games before today coming off a separated shoulder. Why didn’t he have 3 or 4?

So if Mittelstadt gets an assist off a faceoff, or goes a game without scoring, are we going to point that out too?

I mean, look, we all play favorites. But you can’t tell me that whether it’s the WJC or the AHL, there’s not a predisposition to respond with a “yeah, but” or some kind of qualifier when it comes to Andersson from a handful of folks.

 

[Mac n Gs]

Loving the fact that nothing short of walking on water is ever going to even get more than a passing acknowledgement from those who wanted someone else.

Best part is he scored his first professional North American goal and added two assists, one of which was the game winning goal, today.

Yet we’re talking about Casey Middelstadt again.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yes which is why I said I hope he can build off of what he did today. Jesus

You say he did nothing before today. How do you know? Are you watching the games? Or do you just base your opinion on the box score? Andersson has a higher PPG ratio than Mittelstadt in a better league. If we are going by box scores, let's just do that then

 

[haveandare]

Okay, who cares?

This thread constantly devolves into a **** show because a poster who didn't like the pick (there are more than this guy, but he's the most vocal), posts in this thread, and then everyone goes insane because if you're not defending LA then well you can't be a Rangers fan, I guess.

Everytime someone says "Mittlestadt" this thread blows up for five pages because of all the defending people feel like they need to do.

Just walk away, man. When they go low, we go high.

MEANWHILE FOR SOME REASON EVERYONE IS IGNORING FUTURE 30G SCORER OWEN TIPPETT I MEAN COME ON. ANDERSSON SUCKS TIPPET RULEZ.

This is a total misrepresentation of what people are saying.

 

[silverfish]

Best part is he scored his first professional North American goal and added two assists, one of which was the game winning goal, today.

Yet we’re talking about Casey Middelstadt again.

Two SECONDARY assists

 

[Mac n Gs]

@silverfish Tippet has 25 goals and 46 points but is a -1. DAE FLOATER WHO CAN’T DEFEND

 

[Samuel Culper III]

Okay, let’s say they both reach their ceilings. Not factoring the age of the comparisons I’m about to make and keeping in mind that LA and Mittelstadt will be the same age, we’re basically discussing Ryan Johansen versus Ryan O’Reilly. I would make a guess based on experiences at HF that the average poster will be quick to tell you Johansen is better and more valuable and definitely more skilled and flashy.

Johansen’s career highs are: 71, 63, 61, 60
O’Reilly’s career highs are: 64, 60, 55, 55, 55

Johansen in a slightly shorter career has broken 60 more often and topped 70 once. He does have the edge offensively and everyone comfortably calls him a #1C. O’Reilly, however, hasn’t been very far behind in numbers while being a Selke caliber two way center for much of his career. Most people consider him an elite 2C.

The argument we’re having over prospects who have a lot of developing to do before they can truly be judged is stupid.

 

[Edge]

Okay, who cares?

This thread constantly devolves into a **** show because a poster who didn't like the pick (there are more than this guy, but he's the most vocal), posts in this thread, and then everyone goes insane because if you're not defending LA then well you can't be a Rangers fan, I guess.

Everytime someone says "Mittlestadt" this thread blows up for five pages because of all the defending people feel like they need to do.

Just walk away, man. When they go low, we go high.

MEANWHILE FOR SOME REASON EVERYONE IS IGNORING FUTURE 30G SCORER OWEN TIPPETT I MEAN COME ON. ANDERSSON SUCKS TIPPET RULEZ.

I am okay with a poster not agreeing with the pick.

But when I feel aspects are flat out being ignored, or some opinions are being posted as fact, no - I’m not particularly interested in smiling and nodding.

Frankly, because there is a large enough group of people on here who wouldn’t know otherwise because this is where they come for their insights into players they don’t get to see regularly.

If we’re going to make that argument, then what’s the point of having any discussion?

 

[Kovalev27]

Why is everything he do automatically downplayed?

Oh well, he only had two points in 5 games before today coming off a separated shoulder. Why didn’t he have 3 or 4?

So if Mittelstadt gets an assist off a faceoff, or goes a game without scoring, are we going to point that out too?

I mean, look, we all play favorites. But you can’t tell me that whether it’s the WJC or the AHL, there’s not a predisposition to respond with a “yeah, but” or some kind of qualifier when it comes to Andersson from a handful of folks.

Well I didn’t downplay it I said he had a good game and I hope he can build off it and you called it a backhanded compliment. Well frankly he didn’t do anything prior to so why should I praise him? I praised his wjc performance. I praised his turn around in the SHL. He didn’t play well to start here in the A.

You’re going the other way.

Once again I will say it. He’s a good player. I want him to do well. As I’ve said many many many many many times. But he was as brooks said today a pick made for immediate need and that is always a bad move in the NHL. When you are a team devoid of top end talent and you pass on top end talent to fill that immediate need it’s even worse.

Why it’s so hard for members of this board to put the Pom poms down for a second and say yeah we screwed up, AS WEVE OFTEN DONE early in the first round over the years is beyond me.

And I hope to god I am wrong and this kid goes into beast mode but nothing about his skill set other than his poise around the net tells me that’s going to happen.

 

[silverfish]

I am okay with a poster not agreeing with the pick.

But when I feel aspects are flat out being ignored, or some opinions are being posted as fact, no - I’m not particularly interested in smiling and nodding.

Frankly, because there is a large enough group of people on here who wouldn’t know otherwise because this is where they come for their insights into players they don’t get to see regularly.

If we’re going to make that argument, then what’s the point of having any discussion?

I'd recommend doing what I do in the women's thread. Simply ignore the haters, and pump good, relevant content into it.

No one is going to come to HF, read @Kovalev27's LA scouting report, and then be like, well, I guess that's it, he's not that good! (Sorry, Kovy, it's just that this thread is revolving around you right now ).

And even if that was happening, who cares?

Because you know what's actually happening? Someone is trying to come to this thread to see how LA played in the Hartford game today, and they can't get that information because this thread is a dick measuring contest.

And yeah, I understand the irony that I'm contributing to that problem right now, but no one is woke enough to admit it.

 

[Edge]

I'd recommend doing what I do in the women's thread. Simply ignore the haters, and pump good, relevant content into it.

No one is going to come to HF, read @Kovalev27's LA scouting report, and then be like, well, I guess that's it, he's not that good! (Sorry, Kovy, it's just that this thread is revolving around you right now ).

And even if that was happening, who cares?

Because you know what's actually happening? Someone is trying to come to this thread to see how LA played in the Hartford game today, and they can't get that information because this thread is a dick measuring contest.

And yeah, I understand the irony that I'm contributing to that problem right now, but no one is woke enough to admit it.

You’re right. Who cares?

So then why do you keep posting as well?

 

[silverfish]

You’re right. Who cares?

So then why do you keep posting as well?

Because you know what's actually happening? Someone is trying to come to this thread to see how LA played in the Hartford game today, and they can't get that information because this thread is a dick measuring contest.

And yeah, I understand the irony that I'm contributing to that problem right now, but no one is woke enough to admit it.

You're right, I'll stop.

 

[Inferno]

Ryjo is awful defensively. Just my 2 cents but he's so craptastic in his own zone.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Well I didn’t downplay it I said he had a good game and I hope he can build off it and you called it a backhanded compliment. Well frankly he didn’t do anything prior to so why should I praise him? I praised his wjc performance. I praised his turn around in the SHL. He didn’t play well to start here in the A.

You’re going the other way.

Once again I will say it. He’s a good player. I want him to do well. As I’ve said many many many many many times. But he was as brooks said today a pick made for immediate need and that is always a bad move in the NHL. When you are a team devoid of top end talent and you pass on top end talent to fill that immediate need it’s even worse.

Why it’s so hard for members of this board to put the Pom poms down for a second and say yeah we screwed up, AS WEVE OFTEN DONE early in the first round over the years is beyond me.

And I hope to god I am wrong and this kid goes into beast mode but nothing about his skill set other than his poise around the net tells me that’s going to happen.

Because nothing indicates we screwed up. Jesus christ.

Lias Andersson is having a really good D+1 season and you keep insinuating that we should have drafted someone else because so many other players are apparently having a better D+1 season, or have more upside, or have more skill.

This just isn't true. I have watched a lot of 18-year olds and 19-year olds in the SHL and Lias Andersson is very, very good for his age. You are only handing out backhanded compliments to appear objective.

Lias Andersson led his country in goals at the WJC. He was one of the best centers in the tournament. He had a very, very good season in Sweden, now after recovering from a shoulder injury he has 5 points in 6 games in the AHL as a 19-year old. If you are seriously saying we screwed up drafting a player who has done all this, just 7 months after the draft, you have an agenda, because your opinion isn't based on what he has shown in his D+1 season compared to other players, drafted later.

 

[haveandare]

Well I didn’t downplay it I said he had a good game and I hope he can build off it and you called it a backhanded compliment. Well frankly he didn’t do anything prior to so why should I praise him? I praised his wjc performance. I praised his turn around in the SHL. He didn’t play well to start here in the A.

You’re going the other way.

Once again I will say it. He’s a good player. I want him to do well. As I’ve said many many many many many times. But he was as brooks said today a pick made for immediate need and that is always a bad move in the NHL. When you are a team devoid of top end talent and you pass on top end talent to fill that immediate need it’s even worse.

Why it’s so hard for members of this board to put the Pom poms down for a second and say yeah we screwed up, AS WEVE OFTEN DONE early in the first round over the years is beyond me.

And I hope to god I am wrong and this kid goes into beast mode but nothing about his skill set other than his poise around the net tells me that’s going to happen.

Because people don't agree with you that they screwed up. How have you read all of this and not gotten that?

 

[Kovalev27]

You didn’t read that right I’m not talking about the posters saying they screwed up. I mean management the Rangers organization.

 

[Edge]

Once again I will say it. He’s a good player. I want him to do well. As I’ve said many many many many many times. But he was as brooks said today a pick made for immediate need and that is always a bad move in the NHL. When you are a team devoid of top end talent and you pass on top end talent to fill that immediate need it’s even worse.

Why it’s so hard for members of this board to put the Pom poms down for a second and say yeah we screwed up, AS WEVE OFTEN DONE early in the first round over the years is beyond me.

And I hope to god I am wrong and this kid goes into beast mode but nothing about his skill set other than his poise around the net tells me that’s going to happen.

See this is exactly the reason I disagree with you.

Brooks gave his OPINION. You’re quoting it as fact because you happen to agree with him on this point.

That doesn’t make it any more factual. It means you guys share an opinion.

Second, you’re saying the Rangers screwed up. And you’re basing this off nothing but your opinion.

The numbers don’t back it up, no matter how much we claim they don’t matter.

The results don’t back it up, no matter how much LA keeps contributing.

The different opinions don’t matter, no matter how many lists Andersson appears on.

So yes, if we want to throw any and all evidence and opinions to the contrary our the window, take Mittelstadt’s highest ceiling and Andersson’s lower end potential, throw out stats, throw out actual in-game observations, and base it strictly off the minority opinion, here and abroad, yes we screwed up.

 

[haveandare]

You didn’t read that right I’m not talking about the posters saying they screwed up. I mean management the Rangers organization.

Yeah by "they" I mean the organization. People can't "put the pom poms down" and admit the org screwed up because they don't agree with you that the org screwed up. That's your opinion. People can disagree with others' opinions.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Edge be in this thread like

 

[Kovalev27]

Unless there’s a link stating a fact like this guy put up this amount of points in this year. you should take everyone’s posts on here this board in general as opinions edge. Brooks article supports my opinion.

The eye test tells me he’s not a future top line player. That’s obviously my opinion. If I speak in certainties that still is my opinion. I am not an accredited member of the press.

But I can’t believe anyone that has seen Lias play and seen Mittlestadt play could say they are on the same level talent wise or at least have a similar upside of being a top line player. That’s shocking to me.