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2017 NHL Draft: Grant McCagg's Top 10 (Updated on-the-fly, not intermittently)

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Grant McCagg said:
So you disagree with two of my rankings and that makes my list wacky. Never mind that every scout says the rankings from 3-to-13 are essentially interchangeable this year...one team will have a guy 3 that another has 13...you have things completely figured out while NHL scouts remain unsure. You think players should definitely be ranked in certain spots or it's wacky. You are not coming across as someone who is very experienced with the draft. I learned a long time ago not to severely chastise others rankings just because you may disagree..sometimes those "yikes" can end up coming back to haunt you.

Saying Rasmussen only has third line upside is what makes anyone in the know go yikes. So you are unimpressed that he's a 6-6 guy with good speed who at 17 was on pace for 45 goals before getting injured who plays the PP, pk, wins faceoffs, has a great release and is hard to play against. I'm guessing you didn't study him very closely. EVERY NHL scout I talk to thinks he's top ten..in fact at one point I had Mittelstadt ahead of him and one head scout strongly suggested that was wrong.
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His skill set and size is there. It will come down to his commitment and how he's developed. Cant see how he's not a top 10 pick. People get to involved with analytics, etc when discussing kids who are all at different stages of development and different situations.
 
Grant, thank you for your hard work and for passing along commentary from scouts with real skin in the game who have a lot to lose in being wrong. The commentary is always far more interesting than a simple ranking.
 
This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. This isnt even veiled click bait, its in your face, obvious click bait

The core ideology in scouting is to NOT let small sample sizes dictate evaluation- aka the opposite of this.

Cant comment if he is a good scout or not, but the ideology is beyond stupid and purely for clicks. I have no problem updating on the fly if it warrants it. But if you are updating based on 1 or 2 games or change ranking around massively for WJC or U-18s, thats desperation
 
Aceboogie said:
This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. This isnt even veiled click bait, its in your face, obvious click bait

The core ideology in scouting is to NOT let small sample sizes dictate evaluation- aka the opposite of this.

Cant comment if he is a good scout or not, but the ideology is beyond stupid and purely for clicks. I have no problem updating on the fly if it warrants it. But if you are updating based on 1 or 2 games or change ranking around massively for WJC or U-18s, thats desperation
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If he's getting more picks right than almost everyone, maybe there is something to it.

What if the big jumps are more to do with the previous ranking being wrong than about how big of a jump a player is making?
 
Nolan Patrick doesn't pass my eye test either. I won't be disappointed if Colorado picks almost anyone else.
 
AvsGuy said:
Nolan Patrick doesn't pass my eye test either. I won't be disappointed if Colorado picks almost anyone else.
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Hopefully every team 1 through 11 feels the same way and the Jets can snag him at 12. Be nice if we get the steal of the draft again.
 
Flair Hay said:
If he's getting more picks right than almost everyone, maybe there is something to it.

What if the big jumps are more to do with the previous ranking being wrong than about how big of a jump a player is making?
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Im not questioning his ability as a scout. He is infinitely better than myself. hes good enough to be a respected member of a scouting agency.

I just question the frequency of updating rankings. hes never did it before so who knows how right itll be. Just goes against the core of scouting
 
Daximus said:
Hopefully every team 1 through 11 feels the same way and the Jets can snag him at 12. Be nice if we get the steal of the draft again.
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You're saying the #2 pick in the draft last year was a steal?


Not sure you understand the concept of a "steal."
 
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ibengals said:
You're saying the #2 pick in the draft last year was a steal?


Not sure you understand the concept of a "steal."
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No I'm not saying that. Not sure you understand the concept of "again." It typically means more than once. It does not have to mean it happens consecutively....

Didn't know I had to be that specific. Our draft history doesn't just go back one year..
 
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Aceboogie said:
This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen. This isnt even veiled click bait, its in your face, obvious click bait

The core ideology in scouting is to NOT let small sample sizes dictate evaluation- aka the opposite of this.

Cant comment if he is a good scout or not, but the ideology is beyond stupid and purely for clicks. I have no problem updating on the fly if it warrants it. But if you are updating based on 1 or 2 games or change ranking around massively for WJC or U-18s, thats desperation
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I know you're a bit newer to hockey, but you should look something up called a "re-draft" where people re-do draft lists after a good sample size ie. 2-3 years down the road. That's what McCagg's lists are like - accuracy on likelihood.

McCagg's rankings >>>> HF's Boxscore hero's rankings
 
Roy Baby said:
I know you're a bit newer to hockey, but you should look something up called a "re-draft" where people re-do draft lists after a good sample size ie. 2-3 years down the road. That's what McCagg's lists are like - accuracy on likelihood.

McCagg's rankings >>>> HF's Boxscore hero's rankings
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Interestingly enough don't analytical rankings like PCS, not only outdraft all NHL teams but also McCagg by a pretty substantial amount in redrafts? I could be wrong but I'm pretty sure that has been the case. PCS pretty much wrecked everyone on the 2014 draft if I can remember.
 
Daximus said:
Hopefully every team 1 through 11 feels the same way and the Jets can snag him at 12. Be nice if we get the steal of the draft again.
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What are you even referencing?

Ehlers at 9? Nope, Pastrnak at 25.
Connor at 17? Nope, Aho at 35.

And if Nolan "consensus 1st overall" Patrick is either the steal of the draft or the 12th overall pick, I'll eat a styrofoam plate.
 
ibengals said:
You're saying the #2 pick in the draft last year was a steal?


Not sure you understand the concept of a "steal."
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Pretty sure he was referencing one of the others...

Scheifele
Trouba
Ehlers

Each of those are likely top 5 or so in a redraft.

Connor looks like a nice gift at #17, though that was a very strong and deep draft.
 
That's quite a jump for Vesalainen. Looked good at U18s, but I'm still concerned about his hockey IQ. He should be a sure bet for a 3rd liner with his size and speed, though. Have to wait and see how much more he can be.
 
TheFinnishTrap said:
That's quite a jump for Vesalainen. Looked good at U18s, but I'm still concerned about his hockey IQ. He should be a sure bet for a 3rd liner with his size and speed, though. Have to wait and see how much more he can be.
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I thought Vesalainen's hockey sense was very good at the U-18. I don't know how the rest of his season was but I liked everything about his performance at the U-18. He stood out as easily the most impressive forward in my view.
 
AvsGuy said:
What are you even referencing?

Ehlers at 9? Nope, Pastrnak at 25.
Connor at 17? Nope, Aho at 35.

And if Nolan "consensus 1st overall" Patrick is either the steal of the draft or the 12th overall pick, I'll eat a styrofoam plate.
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I'll hold you to that. Do it on video for all to see.
Also those are still steals in there own right. Maybe not the steal but a steal none the less. Scheif is in there too.
Patrick at 12 might not be the steal of the draft but it would be a steal none the less and if he stays relatively healthy than it very well could be.
 
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Daximus said:
No I'm not saying that. Not sure you understand the concept of "again." It typically means more than once. It does not have to mean it happens consecutively....

Didn't know I had to be that specific. Our draft history doesn't just go back one year..
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Oh, again, meaning you've gotten the steal of the draft on multiple occasions. Quite a scouting department over there in Winnipeg. Too bad it hasn't produced many actual good players.
 
ibengals said:
Oh, again, meaning you've gotten the steal of the draft on multiple occasions. Quite a scouting department over there in Winnipeg. Too bad it hasn't produced many actual good players.
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Yeah everyone sucks on the Jets. You got me so good. Someone please stop the bleeding. Ouch my feels are hurt.
 
Daximus said:
Yeah everyone sucks on the Jets. You got me so good. Someone please stop the bleeding. Ouch my feels are hurt.
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No, there are some good players, but I'm missing the "steal of the draft" type you're referencing.

Laine (2nd overall)
Scheifele (7th overall)
Ehlers (9th overall)
Wheeler (5th overall)
 
AvsGuy said:
What are you even referencing?

Ehlers at 9? Nope, Pastrnak at 25.
Connor at 17? Nope, Aho at 35.

And if Nolan "consensus 1st overall" Patrick is either the steal of the draft or the 12th overall pick, I'll eat a styrofoam plate.
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A steal can occur more than once in a single draft, regardless if it is the best or not.
 
I get the fact that NP has his fair share of doubters but dropping down to 5? :laugh: Absolutely out to lunch.
 
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