2017 NHL Draft Discussion

[KingTrouty]

So let's get this straight.

You tell people they can't be critical of any past moves, citing hindsight.

And then in the next sentence when they tell you that it's not hindsight, that they had those views before you say you essentially don't want to hear it.

People know what posters like K17 and SZG who have both been here for a long time thought of certain moves when they happened.

We would have been in this boat last season without Lucic. Dean went all in and wanted to attack and our Boys failed when the playoffs started, including Lucic (and Doughty, and the "core"). But Lucic had every part of getting us there, mon frere.

Yes, I'm saying hindsight is 20/20, Herb. Broken clocks are right twice a day, like Stephen A Smith. This board has a vocal
contingent of people here saying "I told you so."

Good for you. Here's your ****ing cookie. "But but draft picks and contracts"

The price of going after a third cup with a GM who wanted more. Cut it out.

As far as who's been here, and for how long, I don't g a f. I'm sure there's been plenty of insufferable posters over the course of HF Board's history.

You don't need to speak up for Kings17 and the dude with Iceman Kuklinksi avatar, I'm sure they can fight their own battles, Herb.

In ten years, if my majestic presence is still here, can I cite all the idiotic posts (ie:

"I would be a better GM than DL"

"oh I totally agree"

"I love you emo king fan, lets embrace and show all these homers who's boss")...

referring to the, then, recent seasons if it serves my agenda? Hmm?

 

[KingTrouty]

Yes, getting Lucic did wonders for the Kings last season.

If you can't see the window is closed, we aren't on the same page.

Last season we were a favorite in Vegas and Bovada. There's fans of every team of every sport spelling doom and gloom.

Get right, son. The sky isn't falling. Get off your merry-go-round of hot air and the same **** over and over again. Herby can hold your hand and help you off.

No one is saying we're a contender this year, but plenty were last season, including those with much more on the line than your esteemed self (money/odds makers). What do they know. There's soooo many people betting on the Kings that they had to balance the books, right?

If we're not on the same page, boo-****ing-hoo

 

[KingCanadain1976]

We would have been in this boat last season without Lucic. Dean went all in and wanted to attack and our Boys failed when the playoffs started, including Lucic (and Doughty, and the "core"). But Lucic had every part of getting us there, mon frere.

Yes, I'm saying hindsight is 20/20, Herb. Broken clocks are right twice a day, like Stephen A Smith. This board has a vocal
contingent of people here saying "I told you so."

Good for you. Here's your ****ing cookie. "But but draft picks and contracts"

The price of going after a third cup with a GM who wanted more. Cut it out.

As far as who's been here, and for how long, I don't g a f. I'm sure there's been plenty of insufferable posters over the course of HF Board's history.

You don't need to speak up for Kings17 and the dude with Iceman Kuklinksi avatar, I'm sure they can fight their own battles, Herb.

In ten years, if my majestic presence is still here, can I sight all the idiotic posts referring to the, then, recent seasons if it serves my agenda? Hmm?

Well said

 

[KingTrouty]

And Herb, I've never told anyone not to be critical. But using a brain worth a **** would help. People like KP, BK, Rocky, and 7824 are very critical, but also objective.

Every ****ing post of yours is the same drivel. Fire DL. New GM.
We suck. Derp ****ing derp

 

[damacles1156]

Just tanking doesn't solve a team's problems, and yes there are no guarantees.

However, a team sitting in the black hole has no opportunity to get significantly better. That's what the Kings are looking at today.

The idea that Kopitar, Carter, and Quick are going to find the fountain of youth and start kicking the butts of a team with McDavid, Draisaitl, Eberle, Larson, Nurse, Klefbom, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. is laughable. These kids on the Oilers are almost all less than 25 years of age.

No, better to do an honest appraisal of where the Kings stand in the Pacific Division going forward for the next 4-5 years and prepare accordingly. It's going to be a problem for the Kings to get out of the 1st or 2nd round for the foreseeable future.

I would rather see them start a rebuild in earnest than waste precious time screwing around finishing 7-12 in the Western Conference for the next 5 years.

Signing Kopitar to his contract, wiped out any rebuild/retool options.

Nothing on the roster matters, when you have a guy making 10Million dollar cap hit(and he has a cruddy season).

He better win games for you, all on his own(sometimes), and not have down seasons.

Patrick Kane is worth his 10 Mill, Toews (not worth it) Kopitar (not worth it at all so far).

This draft is also extremely weak, no point in trading up at all. If the Kings don't get pick 1-2; they should trade out of the first round, and pick up more picks.

That at least gives the Kings more kicks at the can, to land something.

 

[KINGS17]

Last season we were a favorite in Vegas and Bovada. There's fans of every team of every sport spelling doom and gloom.

Get right, son. The sky isn't falling. Get off your merry-go-round of hot air and the same **** over and over again. Herby can hold your hand and help you off.

No one is saying we're a contender this year, but plenty were last season, including those with much more on the line than your esteemed self (money/odds makers). What do they know. There's soooo many people betting on the Kings that they had to balance the books, right?

If we're not on the same page, boo-****ing-hoo

You were saying something about a broken clock?

Hey, I don't care if you're on the wrong page. Just pointing out being on a different page means a different direction from here.

 

[KINGS17]

Well said

Extremely well said.

 

[KINGS17]

Signing Kopitar to his contract, wiped out any rebuild/retool options.

Nothing on the roster matters, when you have a guy making 10Million dollar cap hit(and he has a cruddy season).

He better win games for you, all on his own(sometimes), and not have down seasons.

Patrick Kane is worth his 10 Mill, Toews (not worth it) Kopitar (not worth it at all so far).

This draft is also extremely weak, no point in trading up at all. If the Kings don't get pick 1-2; they should trade out of the first round, and pick up more picks.

That at least gives the Kings more kicks at the can, to land something.

Yeah, Dean has made a mess with the Kopitar contract.

I think we are going to be extremely disappointed if Dean, or a new GM, continues to flail away swinging for another cup. This roster just doesn't have what it takes, and a realistic assessment of the Pacific Division will tell anyone the Kings aren't getting past the 2nd round anytime soon.

It's much more likely this roster will produce wild card berths and 1st round exits, or near playoff misses for the next few years.

I would much rather see the Kings trade off the assets of value they have remaining and prepare for a future where the Edmonton Oilers are no longer the top team in the Pacific Division.

 

[damacles1156]

Yeah, Dean has made a mess with the Kopitar contract.

I think we are going to be extremely disappointed if Dean, or a new GM, continues to flail away swinging for another cup. This roster just doesn't have what it takes, and a realistic assessment of the Pacific Division will tell anyone the Kings aren't getting past the 2nd round anytime soon.

It's much more likely this roster will produce wild card berths and 1st round exits, or near playoff misses for the next few years.

I would much rather see the Kings trade off the assets of value they have remaining and prepare for a future where the Edmonton Oilers are no longer the top team in the Pacific Division.

The reality is:

No GM is going to do that, until Kopitar/Quick/Doughty fall off cliffs, or are in their mid to late thirties.

The Kings are, what they are. There is no going back, even if Dean is fired.

Futa/Blake , whoever, is still going to swing for the fences(as much as they can).

I highly doubt AEG would allow anyone, to come in, and tear the Kings down with Kopitar/Quick/Doughty at this current juncture.

If they were all 34-38 then were talking, but they are not.

 

[KINGS17]

The reality is:

No GM is going to do that, until Kopitar/Quick/Doughty fall off cliffs, or are in their mid to late thirties.

The Kings are, what they are. There is no going back, even if Dean is fired.

Futa/Blake , whoever, is still going to swing for the fences(as much as they can).

I highly doubt AEG would allow anyone, to come in, and tear the Kings down with Kopitar/Quick/Doughty at this current juncture.

If they were all 34-38 then were talking, but they are not.

Doomed to fail then. Maybe the next CBA negotiation will provide relief.

 

[damacles1156]

Doomed to fail then. Maybe the next CBA negotiation will provide relief.

I doubt Buy-outs (free of cap hits) will ever be offered again.

Best we can hope for, is that max length contracts get capped at four years for UFA not on your team, and Five for your own UFA.

Probably won't get that, but the Owners/GM should demand it.

A win for the players, the players should demand UFA status comes earlier.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

so, it appears the Kings will be selecting #9 or #10? Tied with Winnipeg with 81 points.
Go Winnipeg! Picking at #9 or #10 should land a decent player.

 

[Fat Elvis]

so, it appears the Kings will be selecting #9 or #10? Tied with Winnipeg with 81 points.
Go Winnipeg! Picking at #9 or #10 should land a decent player.

I wouldn't trade down for more picks if LA lands in the top 10. Choose BPA, hopefully that's a C (Glass, Necas, Vilardi could all be solid players). Landing a couple 3rd or 4th round picks would just add a less skilled player than I listed. LA needs more skill not less.

 

[KopitarFAN]

so, it appears the Kings will be selecting #9 or #10? Tied with Winnipeg with 81 points.
Go Winnipeg! Picking at #9 or #10 should land a decent player.

Actually #10 or #11, didn't include the Golden Knights.

 

[sinister6000]

The Kings are going to have to add some muscle, and skill to the line up. If you look at Anaheim they have guys like Nick Ritchie, and Max Jones. Plus Edmonton has Luci, Maroon, and Kassian. Arizona has Brandon Perlini and Crouse. Calgary has Thachuk and Ferland, that's a lot of Tough Power forwards to deal with. The Kings should try to find some power forwards of their own in the future.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

so, it appears the Kings will be selecting #9 or #10? Tied with Winnipeg with 81 points.
Go Winnipeg! Picking at #9 or #10 should land a decent player.

make that 10th or 11th dont forget vegas has a top pick for sure

 

[fsanford]

Eeli Tolvanen LW/RW

ISS Hockey - Mar. 12th: "Heating up with 7 goals in last 5 games. With a pro shot, he is dangerous from anywhere"

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Heating back up again in the USHL. One of the top pure snipers in the draft this season."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 10th: "High end skills offensively. This kid has a rocket of a shot. Good hockey sense & skating ability."

Mike Morreale NHL.com - Jan. 20th: "He has plenty of speed, hockey sense and intensity to complement a solid skill set and NHL-caliber release. Tolvanen (5-10, 170), born in Finland, will attend Boston College in 2017-18. He leads Sioux City in goals (16), points (29), game-winning goals (four) and shots on goal (134) in 26 games."

Future Considerations: "This goal-scoring winger is a real offensive threat…plays with speed, intensity and skills…elusive with the puck on his stick…likes to shoot and has an impressive accurate shot with an absolutely deadly release…positions himself correctly to be open for the one-timer…a smooth, agile skater and covers ground at high rates of speed in transition…quick thinker who doesn’t stop moving his feet…good speed when carrying the puck and can accelerate quickly"

Dennis Schellenberg Hockey Prospectus - Nov. 9th: "The Sioux City winger is a true goal scorer and an offensive weapon. He can make skilled plays when he possesses the puck and plays with good speed. His biggest asset is without any doubt his deadly shot. Fires the puck with great velocity and accuracy."

We are lacking in the sniper area and rocket of a shot area.
Sounds like a poor man's Patrick Laine.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The Kings are going to have to add some muscle, and skill to the line up. If you look at Anaheim they have guys like Nick Ritchie, and Max Jones. Plus Edmonton has Luci, Maroon, and Kassian. Arizona has Brandon Perlini and Crouse. Calgary has Thachuk and Ferland, that's a lot of Tough Power forwards to deal with. The Kings should try to finds power forwards of their own in the future.

I don't disagree but keep in mind those teams loaded up with size BECAUSE of the Kings. THEY were chasing US.

 

[LAKings88]

I wouldn't trade down for more picks if LA lands in the top 10. Choose BPA, hopefully that's a C (Glass, Necas, Vilardi could all be solid players). Landing a couple 3rd or 4th round picks would just add a less skilled player than I listed. LA needs more skill not less.

This

 

[KingTrouty]

This

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[PJ Kings Hockey]

Doomed to fail then. Maybe the next CBA negotiation will provide relief.

Hope it doesn't get to the point of that being the only relief.

Assuming the Kings management doesn't blow up the team, maybe an adapted system and the addition of a couple of missing pieces could get the team into the second round of the playoffs next year. Obviously we need more depth, but depth is cheap, relatively speaking. The system needs to be adapted, I don't mean thrown out, but adapted. There is no reason that no one, not Kopi, Carter, Pearson or Toffoli can score a tying goal in the last few minutes of a game. It's sad, but it's now a given they will try furiously but they cannot score when it counts. There is no reason they can never get it done, except for a system that allows the other team's defense time to set up shop in front of their goalie and make an impenetrable shield of No-Goals-For-You.

Getting back to the draft, I just want to get excited about having a first-rounder. I've forgotten what that's like. Our last first-round pick was so long ago it was in the days I used to walk to school in the snow for miles. Uphill. Both ways.

 

[King'sPawn]

Getting back to the draft, I just want to get excited about having a first-rounder. I've forgotten what that's like. Our last first-round pick was so long ago it was in the days I used to walk to school in the snow for miles. Uphill. Both ways.

Barring a lottery win, I'm starting to get excited about Nick Suzuki and Eeli Tolvanen.

Here are a couple links that have video highlights of each.

Tolvanen: http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Eeli-Tolvanen
Suzuki: http://www.mynhldraft.com/2017/NHL-Draft-Profiles/Nicholas-Suzuki

It's sort of a pick your poison. Tolvanen is definitely more of a shooter. He likes to get on the right side, where he can shoot left handed, like Kucherov. He has a pretty awesome release. Suzuki is more of the playmaker. Bit of a battler despite being "undersized" like Giroux.

 

[Herby]

Saw him play in Madison a couple of weeks ago when I was up that way. Scored into an empty net and you could tell in warmup he could really fire the puck (warmup is a great way to spot top players, IMO).

The USHL has gotten so much better than when I first started checking out games a decade ago. It's not the CHL, but it never will be, but the stigma about drafting guys in the 1st round is clearly gone. This is a kid who comes from a great programs, is headed to a great college program and has proven himself in the WJC. I hope the Kings can look over the 5'10 (and he may not be that tall), because this is the type of player we desperately need in our system.

Let him play two years under Jerry York and I think you have an NHL goal-scorer ready to step in on a cheap ELC.

 

[Broilers]

The Oilers Fan Coming in Peace

so, it appears the Kings will be selecting #9 or #10? Tied with Winnipeg with 81 points.
Go Winnipeg! Picking at #9 or #10 should land a decent player.

I have seen many Kings' games and you are only two players away to contend again . Kopitar is a game breaker but needs someone to play with. You just need to swap Muzzin for a scoring winger and package your first with Gaborik to get some salary gap and getting back decent young roster player. The Gap space can be used to sign UFA

 

[KingTrouty]

I have seen many Kings' games and you are only two players away to contend again . Kopitar is a game breaker but needs someone to play with. You just need to swap Muzzin for a scoring winger and package your first with Gaborik to get some salary gap and getting back decent young roster player. The Gap space can be used to sign UFA

An Oilers fan in Bakersfield? How, if I might ask, did that happen?