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Eeli Tolvanen LW/RW

ISS Hockey - Mar. 12th: "Heating up with 7 goals in last 5 games. With a pro shot, he is dangerous from anywhere"

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Heating back up again in the USHL. One of the top pure snipers in the draft this season."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 10th: "High end skills offensively. This kid has a rocket of a shot. Good hockey sense & skating ability."

Mike Morreale NHL.com - Jan. 20th: "He has plenty of speed, hockey sense and intensity to complement a solid skill set and NHL-caliber release. Tolvanen (5-10, 170), born in Finland, will attend Boston College in 2017-18. He leads Sioux City in goals (16), points (29), game-winning goals (four) and shots on goal (134) in 26 games."

Future Considerations: "This goal-scoring winger is a real offensive threat…plays with speed, intensity and skills…elusive with the puck on his stick…likes to shoot and has an impressive accurate shot with an absolutely deadly release…positions himself correctly to be open for the one-timer…a smooth, agile skater and covers ground at high rates of speed in transition…quick thinker who doesn’t stop moving his feet…good speed when carrying the puck and can accelerate quickly"

Dennis Schellenberg Hockey Prospectus - Nov. 9th: "The Sioux City winger is a true goal scorer and an offensive weapon. He can make skilled plays when he possesses the puck and plays with good speed. His biggest asset is without any doubt his deadly shot. Fires the puck with great velocity and accuracy."
 
Cody Glass C/RW

Peter Harling Dobber Prospects - Mar. 19th: " He has seen marked improvements in his skating and strength adding about ten pounds this season. Glass thinks the game fast, has a high hockey IQ and has great vision combined with soft hands and excellent puck skills. His compete level is elite and the main development opportunity for Glass is to continue to add strength and mass to his projectable 6-2 frame."

ISS Hockey - Mar. 15th: "Very intelligent player. Quick hands. Plays PK and PP. A very well-rounded & responsible player."

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Has enjoyed a meteoric rise up the draft rankings since the start of the season. Great skater, skilled playmaker and joins the impressive list of high-end players coming out of Portland."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 14th: "More of a playmaker than a goal scorer. Great vision. Makes those around him better."

Mike Morreale NHL.com - Jan. 20th: "The versatile 6-foot-2, 180-pound right-shot center plays all three forward spots but is better in the middle because he has a constant motor and is an opportunist in the offensive zone. He has good hands and playmaking ability with a style of play that has been compared to Boston Bruins center Patrice Bergeron."
 
Martin Necas C/RW

ISS Hockey - Mar. 17th: "Competitive, skilled player. Can score and make plays. Can beat opponents with speed and smarts."

Jeff Marek of Sportsnet - Mar. 8th: "Plays a very confident two-way game. Defensively responsible, has a great engine and doesn’t tire."

ISS Hockey - Feb. 17th: "Gifted offensive player, very good offensive instincts. Poise with puck and distributes puck well"

Mike Morreale NHL.com - Jan. 20th: "Necas (6-0, 167) is an excellent skater with a fine set of tools. He was captain for the Czech Republic at the 2016 Ivan Hlinka Memorial Cup in August and had two goals and four assists in four games. He's fast, has great balance and has confidence in his ability to score and create opportunities. "

Dennis Schellenberg Hockey Prospectus - Nov. 9th: "A rather smallish-sized energy-player with great offensive upside and creativity. A lightning-quick skater who likes to handle the puck and creats scoring chances. Can distribute the puck with accuracy and likes to set up team mates."
 
With today's standings Kings are picking at 12. Outside possibility they could move as high as the 8th pick.
 
KINGS17 said:
With today's standings Kings are picking at 12. Outside possibility they could move as high as the 8th pick.
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6 of the remaining 8 games against CGY, EDM, CHI and ANA, keeping fingers crossed.

Will get some help today with Detroit playing Carolina, and Florida playing Buffalo. At least 2 of the 5 teams within shouting distance will get points.
 
KINGS17 said:
With today's standings Kings are picking at 12. Outside possibility they could move as high as the 8th pick.
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man, I just had flashbacks about the dark years...wanting to win so bad,
that you came to the realization the best way to EVER become a winning team,
was to get high draft picks...and by February, you realized the playoffs were
not possible, you wanted them to lose every game...yet still love the team.
I recall PAINFUL WINS, that moved the Kings to a lower draft slot.
My first game attended was 1972, so I waited 40 years for that CUP.

I can now be at peace and not want to lose. Honestly, they can get as good of a player at 13 as 8. Seems like only the top 3-4 are stellar.
 
Peter James Bond II said:
man, I just had flashbacks about the dark years...wanting to win so bad,
that you came to the realization the best way to EVER become a winning team,
was to get high draft picks...and by February, you realized the playoffs were
not possible, you wanted them to lose every game...yet still love the team.
I recall PAINFUL WINS, that moved the Kings to a lower draft slot.
My first game attended was 1972, so I waited 40 years for that CUP.

I can now be at peace and not want to lose. Honestly, they can get as good of a player at 13 as 8. Seems like only the top 3-4 are stellar.
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Some here would say anyone doing this is not a real fan of the team. I enjoyed the years of roster building, because you could see the improvement from year to year, and sometimes from month to month.

I really wouldn't mind taking one more ride from worst to first again. If they are just a borderline playoff team, it's time to move the assets which have value today for futures.
 
KINGS17 said:
Some here would say anyone doing this is not a real fan of the team. I enjoyed the years of roster building, because you could see the improvement from year to year, and sometimes from month to month.

I really wouldn't mind taking one more ride from worst to first again. If they are just a borderline playoff team, it's time to move the assets which have value today for futures.
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People can say what they want, but I agree with you. Our games are meaningless, I rather they try to get the best pick. They gave up a long time ago, they should continue the horrible trend and get something good out of it during the draft.
 
KINGS17 said:
With today's standings Kings are picking at 12. Outside possibility they could move as high as the 8th pick.
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Of course by the luck of the draw in the draft lottery, we could pick in the #1 to #3 slot. Current odds for #1 overall are 2.7%. Current odds for top 3 are 8.8%. Let's hope the hockey gods are smiling that day for us.
 
KINGS17 said:
Some here would say anyone doing this is not a real fan of the team. I enjoyed the years of roster building, because you could see the improvement from year to year, and sometimes from month to month.

I really wouldn't mind taking one more ride from worst to first again. If they are just a borderline playoff team, it's time to move the assets which have value today for futures.
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Not saying you are, but we can't assume this is ever guaranteed.

Odds are more likely we'll go on a worst-to-2nd-round-exit.
 
KopitarFAN said:
Better than staying mediocre for all eternity.
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Of course, but this idea that we can just tank and solve all our problems is flawed.

If you want to point to the Oilers and Flames as others have done tonight, let's not forget the Oilers not only didn't make the playoffs for the last decade, they finished dead last in the division several times over the last decade, even back when the Northwest was simply the Sedins and a bunch of speedbumps. The Flames have missed the playoffs in 6 of the last 7, and lost in the first round 4x in a row before that (would say that's before a rebuild though). There are zero guarantees. Ditto for the Sabres, Coyotes, even Avs...need I go on? Tearing it all apart will eventually get you out of the gutter by sheer luck if nothing else (McSavior and Eichel), but I think people have been spoiled and forget how hard and important it is to just make the playoffs.

Had a good lol in the other thread when someone was bummed that we haven't had as much 'sustained success' as the Sharks. Are you ****ing kidding me :laugh:

By all means, rebuild (I mean, I'm for a retool since we have the pieces we'd be chasing in a tank fest anyway, but whatever), but better start making other plans on hockey night because it's gonna be uuuuugly. this romanticized notion of "at least we'll have hope for the future" because of prospects is completely forgetting how ugly most of the 2000s were.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Of course, but this idea that we can just tank and solve all our problems is flawed.

If you want to point to the Oilers and Flames as others have done tonight, let's not forget the Oilers not only didn't make the playoffs for the last decade, they finished dead last in the division several times over the last decade, even back when the Northwest was simply the Sedins and a bunch of speedbumps. The Flames have missed the playoffs in 6 of the last 7, and lost in the first round 4x in a row before that (would say that's before a rebuild though). There are zero guarantees. Ditto for the Sabres, Coyotes, even Avs...need I go on? Tearing it all apart will eventually get you out of the gutter by sheer luck if nothing else (McSavior and Eichel), but I think people have been spoiled and forget how hard and important it is to just make the playoffs.

Had a good lol in the other thread when someone was bummed that we haven't had as much 'sustained success' as the Sharks. Are you ****ing kidding me :laugh:

By all means, rebuild (I mean, I'm for a retool since we have the pieces we'd be chasing in a tank fest anyway, but whatever), but better start making other plans on hockey night because it's gonna be uuuuugly. this romanticized notion of "at least we'll have hope for the future" because of prospects is completely forgetting how ugly most of the 2000s were.
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This sums up my feelings almost to a T.
 
What are the lotto odds for the Kings? Can't remember if they can jump up to 1 or if it's only a certain amount of spots.
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Of course, but this idea that we can just tank and solve all our problems is flawed.

If you want to point to the Oilers and Flames as others have done tonight, let's not forget the Oilers not only didn't make the playoffs for the last decade, they finished dead last in the division several times over the last decade, even back when the Northwest was simply the Sedins and a bunch of speedbumps. The Flames have missed the playoffs in 6 of the last 7, and lost in the first round 4x in a row before that (would say that's before a rebuild though). There are zero guarantees. Ditto for the Sabres, Coyotes, even Avs...need I go on? Tearing it all apart will eventually get you out of the gutter by sheer luck if nothing else (McSavior and Eichel), but I think people have been spoiled and forget how hard and important it is to just make the playoffs.

Had a good lol in the other thread when someone was bummed that we haven't had as much 'sustained success' as the Sharks. Are you ****ing kidding me :laugh:

By all means, rebuild (I mean, I'm for a retool since we have the pieces we'd be chasing in a tank fest anyway, but whatever), but better start making other plans on hockey night because it's gonna be uuuuugly. this romanticized notion of "at least we'll have hope for the future" because of prospects is completely forgetting how ugly most of the 2000s were.
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Eff'n awesome post, Rocky.

Yeah, I had a chuckle at that loon that posted that "sustained" success crap, too. Sharks. Sustained. Success.

Was too lazy to post and laugh and point... but I did so quietly. Obviously not alone.
 
The sad part is we wouldn't be in this spot on choosing between tearing it down or not if the very easy decisions had been made.

The pipeline is not such a disaster with Kyle Connor and Tage Thompson or two similar prospects in the system, plus whatever high pick we choose this year and whatever pick we got for Jones.

Their is no contract or cap issues if Gaborik is signed to a 4 year deal, he has one year left and the Kings can easily unload him to Vegas or Arizona with a 4th round pick for future considerations.

Just so disappointing to see what has transpired since AMart scored that goal.
 
Herby said:
The sad part is we wouldn't be in this spot on choosing between tearing it down or not if the very easy decisions had been made.

The pipeline is not such a disaster with Kyle Connor and Tage Thompson or two similar prospects in the system, plus whatever high pick we choose this year and whatever pick we got for Jones.

Their is no contract or cap issues if Gaborik is signed to a 4 year deal, he has one year left and the Kings can easily unload him to Vegas or Arizona with a 4th round pick for future considerations.

Just so disappointing to see what has transpired since AMart scored that goal.
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If Gabby was signed to a 4 yr deal (higher AAV), would we have had the cap space for Lucic?
 
ScoreZeGoals said:
No? Perhaps then we wouldn't have made that dumb trade to begin with
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So who would've been 1LW last season, then? The one year in the last three -- with a window still somewhat open -- to make the playoffs.

Hindsight is a hell of a drug.

And in before "I said this and this" before and after the trade.

Your avatar scares me. Have I mentioned that?
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
Of course, but this idea that we can just tank and solve all our problems is flawed.

If you want to point to the Oilers and Flames as others have done tonight, let's not forget the Oilers not only didn't make the playoffs for the last decade, they finished dead last in the division several times over the last decade, even back when the Northwest was simply the Sedins and a bunch of speedbumps. The Flames have missed the playoffs in 6 of the last 7, and lost in the first round 4x in a row before that (would say that's before a rebuild though). There are zero guarantees. Ditto for the Sabres, Coyotes, even Avs...need I go on? Tearing it all apart will eventually get you out of the gutter by sheer luck if nothing else (McSavior and Eichel), but I think people have been spoiled and forget how hard and important it is to just make the playoffs.

Had a good lol in the other thread when someone was bummed that we haven't had as much 'sustained success' as the Sharks. Are you ****ing kidding me :laugh:

By all means, rebuild (I mean, I'm for a retool since we have the pieces we'd be chasing in a tank fest anyway, but whatever), but better start making other plans on hockey night because it's gonna be uuuuugly. this romanticized notion of "at least we'll have hope for the future" because of prospects is completely forgetting how ugly most of the 2000s were.
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Just tanking doesn't solve a team's problems, and yes there are no guarantees.

However, a team sitting in the black hole has no opportunity to get significantly better. That's what the Kings are looking at today.

The idea that Kopitar, Carter, and Quick are going to find the fountain of youth and start kicking the butts of a team with McDavid, Draisaitl, Eberle, Larson, Nurse, Klefbom, Nugent-Hopkins, etc. is laughable. These kids on the Oilers are almost all less than 25 years of age.

No, better to do an honest appraisal of where the Kings stand in the Pacific Division going forward for the next 4-5 years and prepare accordingly. It's going to be a problem for the Kings to get out of the 1st or 2nd round for the foreseeable future.

I would rather see them start a rebuild in earnest than waste precious time screwing around finishing 7-12 in the Western Conference for the next 5 years.
 
KingTrouty said:
Hindsight is a hell of a drug.

And in before "I said this and this" before and after the trade.
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So let's get this straight.

You tell people they can't be critical of any past moves, citing hindsight.

And then in the next sentence when they tell you that it's not hindsight, that they had those views before you say you essentially don't want to hear it.

People know what posters like K17 and SZG who have both been here for a long time thought of certain moves when they happened.
 
KingTrouty said:
So who would've been 1LW last season, then? The one year in the last three -- with a window still somewhat open -- to make the playoffs.

Hindsight is a hell of a drug.

And in before "I said this and this" before and after the trade.

Your avatar scares me. Have I mentioned that?
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Yes, getting Lucic did wonders for the Kings last season.

If you can't see the window is closed, we aren't on the same page.
 
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