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Mattias said:
Just rely on your scouting department to make the best possible choice on who they feel is the best player available.
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And when it doesn't pan out, we can have more fans push their narrative that the Kings don't know how to scout!
 
King'sPawn said:
And when it doesn't pan out, we can have more fans push their narrative that the Kings don't know how to scout!
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This draft will be interesting because we might see how much Lombardi had an influence on who we drafted. Perhaps the team philosophy of hitting, puck possession, and size will change under Blake. If so, we might see a change in our scouting and drafting.
 
pretty boring sunday so let me throw out a 3 team trade ....

LA KINGS

Evander Kane
#6 overall...Cody Glass
3rd rounder pick

Buffalo SABRES

Alec Martinez
Kyle Clifford
#11 overall

Las Vegas KNIGHTS

Trevor Lewis
Brayden McNabb
#8 overall
 
kings11 said:
pretty boring sunday so let me throw out a 3 team trade ....

LA KINGS

Evander Kane
#6 overall...Cody Glass
3rd rounder pick

Buffalo SABRES

Alec Martinez
Kyle Clifford
#11 overall

Las Vegas KNIGHTS

Trevor Lewis
Brayden McNabb
#8 overall
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Vegas moves down 2 spots to pick up Lewis and McNabb? The Kings get Kane, move up 5 spots, and add an extra pick, while getting rid of Clifford, Lewis, and McNabb? Buffalo gives up their leading goal scorer from this year to move down 3 spots, get a borderline top 4 defenseman that's going to be 30, and a 4th line guy?

Why would Buffalo or Vegas do that?
 
King'sPawn said:
And when it doesn't pan out, we can have more fans push their narrative that the Kings don't know how to scout!
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How many top six forwards has this staff discovered, drafted and developed in however many years? Yeah, they're the beacons of draft success. No other team in the league is capable of finding a slew of grinders. The Kings always find success with every one of their draft selections. They've never made regrettable mistakes that make us question them. Ever!
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Vegas moves down 2 spots to pick up Lewis and McNabb? The Kings get Kane, move up 5 spots, and add an extra pick, while getting rid of Clifford, Lewis, and McNabb? Buffalo gives up their leading goal scorer from this year to move down 3 spots, get a borderline top 4 defenseman that's going to be 30, and a 4th line guy?

Why would Buffalo or Vegas do that?
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it would more like two trade but even so the logic is pretty simple...

Kings acquire
Evander Kane who has year left on his contract and will bolt...
we swap our #11 overall pick for the #8th overall

Sabres maximize what they can for EK in acquiring
Amart or Muzzin if you'd prefer... Amart scores more and thats more valuable nowadays... Clifford is thrown in to equal salaries....

Kings acquire
#6 overall

Knights acquire
#8 overall
Trevor Lewis ... whom they covet more so than McNabb
Brayden McNabb... Another player McPhee likes a lot who is also signed to a low cap hit..

in a nut shell, LV acquires a 3C/4C all around player for $2 mill per, a bottom 4 defenseman for $1.75 per and likely the player they where targeting at #6 anyways to move down 2 spots...

The Sabres get some value for an asset thats losing value for various reasons

and with the saved monies we could sign a guy like MDZ who'd be perfect on the bottom pairing...
 
kings11 said:
it would more like two trade but even so the logic is pretty simple...

Kings acquire
Evander Kane who has year left on his contract and will bolt...
we swap our #11 overall pick for the #8th overall

Sabres maximize what they can for EK in acquiring
Amart or Muzzin if you'd prefer... Amart scores more and thats more valuable nowadays... Clifford is thrown in to equal salaries...
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Buffalo gets older, and drops in the draft. However weak the draft is, and however similar the 8th and 11th picks will end up being, is that maximizing Kane's value? They could probably retain 50% and get a 1st round pick for him, without giving up their own. If I'm Buffalo, I'm not giving up the younger player, and the higher pick, and taking Clifford to even out the cap. There has to be a better deal for Kane out there.

Kings acquire
#6 overall

Knights acquire
#8 overall
Trevor Lewis ... whom they covet more so than McNabb
Brayden McNabb... Another player McPhee likes a lot who is also signed to a low cap hit..

in a nut shell, LV acquires a 3C/4C all around player for $2 mill per, a bottom 4 defenseman for $1.75 per and likely the player they where targeting at #6 anyways to move down 2 spots...
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They can get one of those two in the expansion draft, so they're dropping two spots in the normal draft to get either Lewis or McNabb? What's the upside for Vegas? They'll have a chance to get plenty of players like Lewis or McNabb in the draft. If you gave Vegas someone they couldn't get in the expansion draft that was good, plus Lewis or McNabb, and the pick, that might be something. If Vegas took Lewis in the draft, would it take a 1st round pick to get McNabb in a trade from the Kings in addition to that? That's essentially what your deal is; a 1st for McNabb and a 1st. The Kings got McNabb and a couple 2nd's three years ago, for a couple prospects that weren't 1st round picks, and McNabb hasn't really elevated his game all that much.

It all just works out way too well for the Kings. They get a guy that scored 28 goals this year, they clear cap space, not just for next year, but possibly future years if Kane doesn't work out, and they move up 5 spots in the draft, and maybe add a 3rd rd pick, and can maybe sign a free agent. That would be quite the coup.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Buffalo gets older, and drops in the draft. However weak the draft is, and however similar the 8th and 11th picks will end up being, is that maximizing Kane's value? They could probably retain 50% and get a 1st round pick for him, without giving up their own. If I'm Buffalo, I'm not giving up the younger player, and the higher pick, and taking Clifford to even out the cap. There has to be a better deal for Kane out there.



They can get one of those two in the expansion draft, so they're dropping two spots in the normal draft to get either Lewis or McNabb? What's the upside for Vegas? They'll have a chance to get plenty of players like Lewis or McNabb in the draft. If you gave Vegas someone they couldn't get in the expansion draft that was good, plus Lewis or McNabb, and the pick, that might be something. If Vegas took Lewis in the draft, would it take a 1st round pick to get McNabb in a trade from the Kings in addition to that? That's essentially what your deal is; a 1st for McNabb and a 1st. The Kings got McNabb and a couple 2nd's three years ago, for a couple prospects that weren't 1st round picks, and McNabb hasn't really elevated his game all that much.

It all just works out way too well for the Kings. They get a guy that scored 28 goals this year, they clear cap space, not just for next year, but possibly future years if Kane doesn't work out, and they move up 5 spots in the draft, and maybe add a 3rd rd pick, and can maybe sign a free agent. That would be quite the coup.
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There is no better deal for Evander Kane and its beyond obvious.. the guy is a handful who has caused his stock to plummet and even retaining 50% of his salary isnt going to get them a 1st.. Muzzin for Kane is a somewhat even trade but when you consider Muzzin or even Amart have 3-4 years left on their contracts with a super affordable hit of $4 mill per...then thats a deal to be made for team that needs D.. if you can't see the value in that then you don't understand what Buffalo needs... Therefore, Muzzin for Kane and a swap in picks is more than fair....

As for LV.... It allows a team to get 2 players that help it compete regardless of what we think of BM and TL they are valuable players on affordable contracts...notice the continued mention of affordable contracts.
.. It also allows them the ability to work on more trades by having certain holes filled... your thinking is a bit to small, look at the bigger picture...
 
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Ziggy Stardust said:
How many top six forwards has this staff discovered, drafted and developed in however many years? Yeah, they're the beacons of draft success. No other team in the league is capable of finding a slew of grinders. The Kings always find success with every one of their draft selections. They've never made regrettable mistakes that make us question them. Ever!
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And character, don't leave that out.
 
kingsfan28 said:
And character, don't leave that out.
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You're right. Can't omit the players oozing with character that are only unique to the Kings. I bet 29 teams wish they could blow early draft picks on the likes of Kyle Clifford and Andy Andreoff, who both combined for 6 goals this season. It takes impeccable scouting to uncover gems like that.
 
Basilisk said:
Wasn't this the same rationale with Oscar Moller? Then he got hit. And then Oscar was never the same.


No thanks. I'll pass on the small fries. Too much risk of extreme breakability.
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Suzuki is not frail and plays physical. He's listed at 5'11" 183, which is not frail and he
does not turn 18 till August. He could easily be 6' 195 by the time he's 20.
Moller was never physical.

Look at the Penguins. Guentzel leads the NHL playoffs with 9 goals. Sheary is 5'9"
and Bryan Rust is 5'11" 190. He has 5 goals in the playoffs. All 3 of them played NCAA.
That's good, because Iafallo had a better career than all 3 of them. I think Iafallo may challenge for a spot this season. I would have no problem selecting Suzuki, if the Kings deem he is the best prospect at #11.
 
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kings11 said:
There is no better deal for Evander Kane and its beyond obvious.. the guy is a handful who has caused his stock to plummet and even retaining 50% of his salary isnt going to get them a 1st.. Muzzin for Kane is a somewhat even trade but when you consider Muzzin or even Amart have 3-4 years left on their contracts with a super affordable hit of $4 mill per...then thats a deal to be made for team that needs D.. if you can't see the value in that then you don't understand what Buffalo needs... Therefore, Muzzin for Kane and a swap in picks is more than fair....
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Nobody can know if there is or isn't a better deal for Kane until something happens. The Kings aren't the only team out there. Maybe Minnesota can get him for one of their younger than Muzzin or Martinez defenseman that they might lose to Vegas for nothing? Maybe they can't or wouldn't want to. That's also figuring the Kings are willing to trade an affordable defenseman for a trouble making winger with baggage that isn't signed beyond next season. With Brown, Gaborik, Pearson, and Toffoli, how many wingers can you keep paying? It's the same place they were with Lucic.

As for LV.... It allows a team to get 2 players that help it compete regardless of what we think of BM and TL they are valuable players on affordable contracts...notice the continued mention of affordable contracts.
.. It also allows them the ability to work on more trades by having certain holes filled... your thinking is a bit to small, look at the bigger picture...
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I am. I'm wondering why Vegas would do that. They'll have plenty of Lewis/McNabb level players/cap hits to pick from in the draft. They'll have plenty of GM's calling them to make deals to fill holes on the roster. Assuming the Kings get Buffalo's pick, how is getting Lewis or McNabb worth dropping 2 spots in the draft? I think Vegas could get either Lewis or McNabb from the Kings for a mid round pick if they really wanted them. If it was Kempe and the 8th, that might do it. Kempe and the 11th might get you to #6 if you want that pick specifically.

The Kings get a goal scoring winger, the 6th pick, and clear at least $4m of cap space for this summer, and all they give up is one defenseman/player most people care about? Again, that would be a hell of a coup by Blake.
 
KingsFan7824 said:
Nobody can know if there is or isn't a better deal for Kane until something happens. The Kings aren't the only team out there. Maybe Minnesota can get him for one of their younger than Muzzin or Martinez defenseman that they might lose to Vegas for nothing? Maybe they can't or wouldn't want to. That's also figuring the Kings are willing to trade an affordable defenseman for a trouble making winger with baggage that isn't signed beyond next season. With Brown, Gaborik, Pearson, and Toffoli, how many wingers can you keep paying? It's the same place they were with Lucic.



I am. I'm wondering why Vegas would do that. They'll have plenty of Lewis/McNabb level players/cap hits to pick from in the draft. They'll have plenty of GM's calling them to make deals to fill holes on the roster. Assuming the Kings get Buffalo's pick, how is getting Lewis or McNabb worth dropping 2 spots in the draft? I think Vegas could get either Lewis or McNabb from the Kings for a mid round pick if they really wanted them. If it was Kempe and the 8th, that might do it. Kempe and the 11th might get you to #6 if you want that pick specifically.

The Kings get a goal scoring winger, the 6th pick, and clear at least $4m of cap space for this summer, and all they give up is one defenseman/player most people care about? Again, that would be a hell of a coup by Blake.
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39pts for Martinez, 28pts for Muzzin... all at $4 mill per for the next 3-4 seasons equal a desirable commodity... how many wingers can we pay?? as many as we can afford... Kane has one season left and if he produces but doesn't fit in you trade him, or you let him walk or you resign him.. the possibility are pretty obvious...

as for LV, well you answered your own question...
The Knights would move 2 spots down for TL who could/will likely get them a 3-4 rounder and a 6th-7th for KC... so you see instead of the Kings trading a 3rd ad 6th to move up 2 spots they instead trade two players worth the equivalent... While also allowing them to work out various trade scenarios or even take a chance on a high priced player .. say Joe Thornton
 
kings11 said:
39pts for Martinez, 28pts for Muzzin... all at $4 mill per for the next 3-4 seasons equal a desirable commodity... how many wingers can we pay?? as many as we can afford... Kane has one season left and if he produces but doesn't fit in you trade him, or you let him walk or you resign him.. the possibility are pretty obvious...

as for LV, well you answered your own question...
The Knights would move 2 spots down for TL who could/will likely get them a 3-4 rounder and a 6th-7th for KC... so you see instead of the Kings trading a 3rd ad 6th to move up 2 spots they instead trade two players worth the equivalent... While also allowing them to work out various trade scenarios or even take a chance on a high priced player .. say Joe Thornton
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This Joe Thornton? The one with the torn MCL and ACL?

http://www.espn.com/nhl/story/_/id/19234615/sharks-center-joe-thornton-acl-surgery-free-agency
 
way off topic but if ur expecting goals out of a player playing less then 10 mins a game your wrong Clifford is paid to play physical not to score. Look else where for ur witch hunt of goals /game. At least add in per ice time into your mix
 
KingCanadain1976 said:
way off topic but if ur expecting goals out of a player playing less then 10 mins a game your wrong Clifford is paid to play physical not to score. Look else where for ur witch hunt of goals /game. At least add in per ice time into your mix
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We're actually praising Clifford for being such an amazing find in the 2nd round. No other scouting staff is capable of finding such an amazing player like Clifford that early in the draft. The Kings need more Kyle Cliffords in the lineup and within the pipeline.
 
You can go back to the interviews when Clifford was drafted and find out why he was selected in the 2nd round.

Lombardi and his staff see Clifford as a culture changer. That and he was a man-child at age 19 and could probably kick the ass of anyone on the Kings roster at the time.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
You're right. Can't omit the players oozing with character that are only unique to the Kings. I bet 29 teams wish they could blow early draft picks on the likes of Kyle Clifford and Andy Andreoff, who both combined for 6 goals this season. It takes impeccable scouting to uncover gems like that.
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Don't think the Kings are immune to 'blowing' 2nd round picks. All the other clubs have done it too. The draft is one big crapshoot.

Look at that star studded 2nd round in 2009. Lots of gems in those 30 selections. :laugh:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html
 
kovacro said:
Don't think the Kings are immune to 'blowing' 2nd round picks. All the other clubs have done it too. The draft is one big crapshoot.

Look at that star studded 2nd round in 2009. Lots of gems in those 30 selections. :laugh:

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2009e.html
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The list of names taken after Clifford and some of the other Kings selections really stings.

Ottawa, Nashville and Anaheim did pretty damn good.
 
Ziggy Stardust said:
The list of names taken after Clifford and some of the other Kings selections really stings.

Ottawa, Nashville and Anaheim did pretty damn good.
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Matty Ekholm, Mike Hoffman and Sami Vatanen were certainly good selections post 2nd round, no doubt.

You can look back at any draft and say this about any club on how they missed on someone. It's a common theme throughout.
 
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