WJC: 2017 Finland Roster Talk

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Mr. FiLe. We might learn a thing or two one day. But we might also see the forest for trees, sometimes.
For what it's worth, I wasn't talking about you, really. After all, you usually at least argue your case, instead of simply spouting platitudes and throwing everyone under the bus.

Play Ruusu or Kaarlehto then. I don't think Rautakorpi will force Vehviläinen as the starting goaltender if the other guys are better.
If it only was this easy, sometimes coaches can be slow on the uptake if they have designated starter in their mind. At minimum, I think Rautakorpi will want to see one more game from Vehviläinen as the tournament starts.

And sometimes being stubborn does pay off. It didn't last year though, and J.Jalonen came to his senses at the 11th hour. But let's keep in mind that K.Jalonen also had full trust of Koskinen in the men's WHC, and he was money at the end despite the shaky start, and many wanting to see Saros get more games.

Though this usually only works if your goalie is somewhat proven quality, which Koskinen was. At the WJC level they rarely are, and I certainly wouldn't consider Vehviläinen one - even relatively speaking. If VV looks shaky and there is a better goalie in the roster, it's inexcusable if Rautakorpi doesn't figure it out and let him play.
 
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http://www.suomikiekko.com/2016/12/...an-ylitse-muiden-hanen-taytyy-tayttaa-verkot/.

The Hockey News journalist Ryan Kennedy writes in his newest article for that Eeli Tolvanen has to step up and score goals for Finland when tournament starts.
The pressure for Tolvanen is huge because scouts will follow him all the time and as we know Finland needs Tolvanen to win so many games as possible.

I don't know what the hell Rautakorpi was thinking when he decided sit Aapeli Räsänen in Canada game and separate Tolvanen and Vesalainen.
( Tolvanen played 1st line and Vesalainen 3rd line) but that was really lousy idea.

If Finland wants Tolvanen is our scoring leader he must play together with Räsänen and Vesalainen.
As we know that trio carried Finland for U18 WJC gold in Grand Forks.

And i'm sure everyone remember what happen Kasperi Kapanen in 2015 U20 WJC's i don't want to see that happening for Tolvanen.
Because if Tolvanen can't be the guy for Finland it might affect his draft stock.
 
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Good news: fortunately this is the last time Veini will ever be a gk for Finland. I would rather have retired Toskala as our starter tbh.
 
http://www.suomikiekko.com/2016/12/...an-ylitse-muiden-hanen-taytyy-tayttaa-verkot/.

The Hockey News journalist Ryan Kennedy writes in his newest article for that Eeli Tolvanen has to step up and score goals for Finland when tournament starts.
The pressure for Tolvanen is huge because scouts will follow him all the time and as we know Finland needs Tolvanen to win so many games as possible.

I don't know what the hell Rautakorpi was thinking when he decided sit Aapeli Räsänen in Canada game and separate Tolvanen and Vesalainen.
( Tolvanen played 1st line and Vesalainen 3rd line) but that was really lousy idea.

If Finland wants Tolvanen is our scoring leader he must play together with Räsänen and Vesalainen.
As we know that trio carried Finland for U18 WJC gold in Grand Forks.

And i'm sure everyone remember what happen Kasperi Kapanen in 2015 U20 WJC's i don't want to see that happening for Tolvanen.
Because if Tolvanen can't be the guy for Finland it might affect his draft stock.

I reckon he just wanted to try things out as it was an exhibition game?

Tolvanen can for sure be this years Laine as last year Laine was pretty raw at this time of the year and didn't take the same huge leaps until late in the year when he single-handedly started stealing games for Tappara
 
Good news: fortunately this is the last time Veini will ever be a gk for Finland. I would rather have retired Toskala as our starter tbh.

How would it be good news if one of our most talented young goaltenders would never play for the national team again? In my opinion it would be quite sad if his talents went to waste. I would rather hope that he keeps developing, gets stronger mentally, and has a long and successful career for club and country alike. After all, the point of the junior national teams is development, is it not?
 
How would it be good news if one of our most talented young goaltenders would never play for the national team again? In my opinion it would be quite sad if his talents went to waste. I would rather hope that he keeps developing, gets stronger mentally, and has a long and successful career for club and country alike. After all, the point of the junior national teams is development, is it not?
Lol... he isn't even the most talented young goaltender in his own team.
 
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Lol... he isn't even the most talented young goaltender in his own team.

1) Is it not possible for more than one of our most talented young goalkeepers to be in the same team?
2) There seem to be quite a few coaches who disagree with that assessment.
3) You missed the point of my whole post entirely.
 
Good news: fortunately this is the last time Veini will ever be a gk for Finland. I would rather have retired Toskala as our starter tbh.

What then if Vehviläinen fools Lauri Marjamäki to give Veini his debut in men's national team?.
Yeah really unlikely situation right now but who actually knows does that happen.
 
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I'd love to see Finland go far again, a lot of intriguing 2017 draft prospects on that team. Anything can happen in elimination games

Of course anything can happen in elimination games and what comes to Canada they won't lost 2nd straight quarterfinal game against Finland in their home soil.

Our goaltending is massive question-mark and right now i'm not impressed our goalies.
Yes we have some really damn good prospects for next June's draft in this team.

But if you look bigger picture this Finland U20 team is in the paper much weaker than in Helsinki.
Last years gold medal winning team we are lost Aho, Laine, Puljujärvi, Saarela, Rantanen, Kapanen and Kähkönen.
And i can assure you that those guys are not easily substitutable.
 
Last years gold medal winning team we are lost Aho, Laine, Puljujärvi, Saarela, Rantanen, Kapanen and Kähkönen.
And i can assure you that those guys are not easily substitutable.
Kähkönen as a goalie wasn't and still isn't a top shelf name. He was better and more stable than Vehviläinen last year, but didn't really stand on his head either. One of the current ones can easily replace him. Not saying that it will be VV though.

It's not easy to see the forward crop come up with the same feats as last year, that I can give you.


And I agree with rduck1 with the notion that it's asinine to judge a goalie's entire career based on a bunch of U20 games. He may or may not shine here, but these games won't be much of an indicator on how things will be going forward. [MOD]
 
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So does anyone know what time will the SVK-FIN game start tonight? Did look and all I could find is the date but no time.

To 22.12.
Latvia - Tanska Chateauguay
Slovakia - Suomi Sherbrooke
Venäjä - Ruotsi Kingston

Pe 23.12.
USA - Tshekki Kingston
Kanada - Sveitsi Toronto
 
So does anyone know what time will the SVK-FIN game start tonight? Did look and all I could find is the date but no time.

To 22.12.
Latvia - Tanska Chateauguay
Slovakia - Suomi Sherbrooke
Venäjä - Ruotsi Kingston

Pe 23.12.
USA - Tshekki Kingston
Kanada - Sveitsi Toronto


Since it will be played in Sherbrooke, odds the game would be streamed are not looking too good.
 
I compared our goalies stats in their games this season.
Based on stats Ruusu hasn't been impressive in mestis Ruusu has played 14 and allowed goals 4,05 per game and his save percentage is 86,5 those numbers aren't impressive.

Kaarlehto has been excellent in TUTO he's played 17 games and allowed 1,85 goals per game and his save percentage is 92,1 those are really good numbers for him.
But the facts are brutal neither has experience of juniors world championships.

So Finland must choose three poor options it the least worst.
If I could get to decide i would go with Kaarlehto. He has best numbers for this season so he's starting goalie in my papers.

I also want to focus on that critic what i give Finland after Canada game.
It was not targeted entire team it was targeted our goalies and defense we don't have afford to allow 5 goals every tournament game if we wanna win.

I will give this Finnish team fair chance to prove me wrong.
PS Merry Christmas to all Finns in Hfboards.
 
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The games starting like 26th of dec again?

It's wowwing how much less I have been waiting for this tourney this year. No doubt watching the games that are in reasonable time though
 
I can't understand how Rautanen or Mattila were selected over Salo, but then again I didn't see the games. Other choices were as expected.
 
Why was Rautanen selected and not Salo,makes no sense,
i thought Salo was a sure thing,who the hell is Rautanen
anyways,oh plays for Jokerit..sure.

Whats up with Rautakorpi selecting 19 year olds...
14x 19 year olds...thats insane,selecting these players
only because they are 19 year olds,instead of selecting
the right players.

Why players like Luoto,Ruotsalainen,Väyrynen are all in?
not good enough players to be in this team,not at all.

Couple of months ago no one even heard of Luoto,plays couple of good
games in sm-liiga,scores few goals and presto,thats good enough for
Rautakorpi.

Luoto doesn't have a single match for team Finland in any age categories before this season.

Makes you wonder what Rautakorpi saw in those 3 players,
why selected those when you had much better players available
players who actually have experience playing small ice hockey,
players who are good on small ice surface,those 3 shouldn't even
reach the camp.

Players that should of made the camp and team;
Tuulola,RW(Silvertips,WHL),Heponiemi,C/LW(Broncos,WHL),
Somppi,C(Mooseheads,QMJHL).
 
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Luoto is a hot player and he's a goal scorer. Ruotsalainen is a versitile forward who has played against men quite some time already. And if Salo had made it he would've been the 7th D over Mattila.

I'm okay with all other selections except Vehviläinen. Though I think he doesn't need to be thrown under the bus anymore, enough's enough.
 
13 players out of 23 are under 180 pounds
and these games are played in NA. #yikes

Now i'm not the the first man to say
lets go height and weight first when you
pick players,but that is a troubling number.

We had a change to pick really big and skilled team this time
and Rautakorpi and his management picked one of the smallest
and skinniest teams ever and let me remind you again,
these games are played in NA.
 
I can't understand how Rautanen or Mattila were selected over Salo, but then again I didn't see the games. Other choices were as expected.
Salo getting cut was bit of a surprise, yeah. Then again, he was probably battling for a spot with Rautanen (this "neverheard" has 14 KHL matches on his belt this season, btw) and Mattila, and well... for the role of an all-around d-man, those three are pretty much interchangeable. In the end, it's the kind of decision that doesn't make or break this team.

And he's still eligible to make it next year.
 
13 players out of 23 are under 180 pounds
and these games are played in NA. #yikes

Now i'm not the the first man to say
lets go height and weight first when you
pick players,but that is a troubling number.

We had a change to pick really big and skilled team this time
and Rautakorpi and his management picked one of the smallest
and skinniest teams ever and let me remind you again,
these games are played in NA.

And yet you wanted to have Heponiemi on this team. One Tuulola doesn't make this team big nor skilled, so go ahead, who are the big boys snubbed?
 
Luoto is a hot player and he's a goal scorer. Ruotsalainen is a versitile forward who has played against men quite some time already. And if Salo had made it he would've been the 7th D over Mattila.

I'm okay with all other selections except Vehviläinen. Though I think he doesn't need to be thrown under the bus anymore, enough's enough.

- Who is hot? Luoto last 3 games: 1 goal
- Ruotsalainen versitile? vs men quite sone time now?
not and sure,but it aint the number of games played alone
that matters

None of these 3 should be playing
 
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