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2017 Draft & UDFA Thread - Part III

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I'd really like to sell around 3-5 assets for draft picks or prospects and then package those picks and prospects for a cant miss prospect or cant miss draft pick. I think top end players are so much more important then depth. If it looks like we will lose Oscar, Fast, or Ranta why not trade them first? Is that possible?
 
Bluenote13 said:
Nolan Patrick and Nic Hischier killing the v02 max. So is Cale Makar who did his standing up at the end, pretty impressive.

Btw, just floating this out there....would the Devils trade the first overall? I'm guessing Vegas, big splash, all in ;)

This is NJ.com mock, not too bad...until he gets to the Rangers :laugh:

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2017/05/nhl_mock_draft_2017_full_first_round_nolan_patrick_2.html
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Im not disappointed with that one. I know some of the masses might not like Hague, but im a fan. Big bruiser with a very good shot. His skating to me didn't look as bad as some pointed out. He's definitely got a mean streak.

With that said, I wouldn't want to see him selected if Brannstrom was on the board. In addition if Yammamoto was still there I think he would be tough to pass up for Hague. But...not disappointed with that selection.
 
Bluenote13 said:
Nolan Patrick and Nic Hischier killing the v02 max. So is Cale Makar who did his standing up at the end, pretty impressive.

Btw, just floating this out there....would the Devils trade the first overall? I'm guessing Vegas, big splash, all in ;)

This is NJ.com mock, not too bad...until he gets to the Rangers :laugh:

http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2017/05/nhl_mock_draft_2017_full_first_round_nolan_patrick_2.html
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I'm not as smart on the draft as a lot of others here but I pretty much had Hague for the bottom of the first round--between 25 and 31. It's not terrible but I think we'll do better. If we trade down then Hague would probably be a pretty good pick.

If Brannstrom and Kostin are gone might Lias Andersson be a good pick?
 
If Hague is the clear BPA available at 21, then yes, take him. But, I doubt he's clearly head and shoulders above players in that area that also fill needs.
 
Personally i think Hague is gone before our pick, think he goes somewhere in the 14-20 range.
Think Lias Andersson will be gone too, he'd be a good pick for us though if he's there, not one of my top choices but i'd be fine with him :)
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
Personally i think Hague is gone before our pick, think he goes somewhere in the 14-20 range.
Think Lias Andersson will be gone too, he'd be a good pick for us though if he's there, not one of my top choices but i'd be fine with him :)
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Tobbe, Morreale was high on Poehling on last night's draft show on the NHL Network. He's likely in the Rangers' range. What's your knock on him?
 
Lion Hound said:
Im not disappointed with that one. I know some of the masses might not like Hague, but im a fan. Big bruiser with a very good shot. His skating to me didn't look as bad as some pointed out. He's definitely got a mean streak.

With that said, I wouldn't want to see him selected if Brannstrom was on the board. In addition if Yammamoto was still there I think he would be tough to pass up for Hague. But...not disappointed with that selection.
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eco's bones said:
I'm not as smart on the draft as a lot of others here but I pretty much had Hague for the bottom of the first round--between 25 and 31. It's not terrible but I think we'll do better. If we trade down then Hague would probably be a pretty good pick.

If Brannstrom and Kostin are gone might Lias Andersson be a good pick?
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jas said:
If Hague is the clear BPA available at 21, then yes, take him. But, I doubt he's clearly head and shoulders above players in that area that also fill needs.
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Thats the thing, not that I don't like the player, he's okay, but there should be others that I'd take over him.

jas said:
Tobbe, Morreale was high on Poehling on last night's draft show on the NHL Network. He's likely in the Rangers' range. What's your knock on him?
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He wouldn't be a bad pick, he's a two way Center with size. Again, depends on who's available, but I for one would not be against drafting a Centerman.

Lias Andersson would not be bad either, supposedly he's a hot commodity right now, interviewed with 30 teams this week.
 
Never draft for now, draft BPA. So many people on this board were angry at the Skjei pick (yes it was supposed to be Vasilevsky) with comments about how not another DMan when the Rangers had arguably a top 3 defense in the NHL in those years. By the time he made it to the big club, Staal/Girardi and Klein who was acquired later were shells of their former selves, and Stralman was long gone.

Point is, if Hague has the best shot at being an impact player, make it so. If there are doubts like McLIrath, then avoid.

I'm fine with Foote, Brannstrom, Kostin, or Suzuki, as long as the skating and IQ are there.

How is Hague's skating compared to McLIrath? If it's worse or on par, I'd probably stay away.
 
Tawnos said:
What exactly will our needs be in 5 years?
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The way I look at it:

1st round: Go BPA
2nd and 3rd round: Go with guys who were either falling in the draft, depending on the reasons behind it, of course
4th and later: Check what positions you drafted the last 2 years, and determine your needs based on that

You will never know what your needs are 5 years from now, but looking at who you drafted the last 1-2 years, can give you some sort of indication of which positions you could focus on
 
Wouldn't actually mind Yamamoto. I know he's really small, but this is a bad draft. If we could get a first liner, even if he's only like 5'8, I'd take it in this draft. Unlikely we'll be getting a great player who's average height or taller, there are very few players of that capability in this draft from what it seems.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
Wouldn't actually mind Yamamoto. I know he's really small, but this is a bad draft. If we could get a first liner, even if he's only like 5'8, I'd take it in this draft. Unlikely we'll be getting a great player who's average height or taller, there are very few players of that capability in this draft from what it seems.
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Agreed. If he was 6 foot he would be a top 10 pick.
Speedy. Greesy. Good hands
 
Again, I'd trade down unless one of Brannstrom/Glass/Lilegren is there, or someone else like Tippet, Middelstadt, Valimakki, etc unexpectedly drops.
 
eco's bones said:
I'm not as smart on the draft as a lot of others here but I pretty much had Hague for the bottom of the first round--between 25 and 31. It's not terrible but I think we'll do better. If we trade down then Hague would probably be a pretty good pick.

If Brannstrom and Kostin are gone might Lias Andersson be a good pick?
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Lias Andersson is, for sure, a solid pick, but I think he'll go mid 1st round. Could see him going in the late top 10 if a team wants to reach for him.
 


Ranger Ric posted this in the other thread, but thought it could use a bump. Besides Boko Imama and Robin Press, the others weren't signed and are either free agents or re-entering the draft.
 


Hischier will be in Nashville for Game 4 and this was some conversation he had with a Devils sports psychologist....

Kimball: "If you throw a catfish onto the ice, we'll pick you first."

Hischier pondered the offer and a few more questions were asked before Kimball began winding up the conversation.

"I asked him if he had any questions and he said, 'Where can I buy a catfish?' " Kimball said.




The guy has quick wits!!

:naughty::naughty::naughty:
 
The Devils should take Nico first

They need dynamic players like that. Patrick may be the more safe option, but if I had that pick I'm 95% sure I take Hischier
 
jas said:
Tobbe, Morreale was high on Poehling on last night's draft show on the NHL Network. He's likely in the Rangers' range. What's your knock on him?
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I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on him, i don't watch much NCAA at all, he sure didn't impress me at the U-18 WJC though, i don't see the big upside there. To me he doesn't have anything that stands out, feels like the prototypical safe US based two-way C, i could be wrong though, small sample size etc :)
 
White Plains Batman said:
Never draft for now, draft BPA. So many people on this board were angry at the Skjei pick (yes it was supposed to be Vasilevsky) with comments about how not another DMan when the Rangers had arguably a top 3 defense in the NHL in those years. By the time he made it to the big club, Staal/Girardi and Klein who was acquired later were shells of their former selves, and Stralman was long gone.

Point is, if Hague has the best shot at being an impact player, make it so. If there are doubts like McLIrath, then avoid.

I'm fine with Foote, Brannstrom, Kostin, or Suzuki, as long as the skating and IQ are there.

How is Hague's skating compared to McLIrath? If it's worse or on par, I'd probably stay away.
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Hague is a good skater for his size, i'd even say very good so that's not the issue.
 
ManUtdTobbe said:
I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on him, i don't watch much NCAA at all, he sure didn't impress me at the U-18 WJC though, i don't see the big upside there. To me he doesn't have anything that stands out, feels like the prototypical safe US based two-way C, i could be wrong though, small sample size etc :)
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He has very good size and is a good skater at the center ice position. For some people, that elevates him like half a round. But I agree, his skill-set is very average. Not a bad player, but I wouldn't take him in the first round. More like an early 2, I think.

Craig Button had him #4 on his September list, and since that happened, people have expected Poehling to compete for 1OA after coming out of nowhere to be so high on Button's list, but he really hasn't. He's not even competing well for top 15, I'd argue his competition level has been the 25-35 range.
 
Tawnos said:
What exactly will our needs be in 5 years?
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Currently, (and I'm talking organization-wise), the only areas of strength are LD and goalie. If a player is so much better value then players who fit a need, you take him. But, when you have no separation between players, then I have no problem drafting for need. You still need to build depth throughout your system.
 
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