WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 2

[bobber]

It ain't over till the fat lady sings. She will be singing O Canada.

 

[Sting]

Lol...I guess we will see in 2-3 years. But I think most people would agree with me on this one

Hasn't been awful, hasn't been good. Chances are with his skillset he'll be a #5/#6.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It's quite obvious that Dubois, despite his pedigree, needs to play on the 3rd/4th line and be a forecheck player, rather than an offensive catalyst.

Jost needs more minutes and needs to be featured on the top PP unit.

Ingram should never see the net again, awful goaltending on goals 2 and 3.

Canada is missing a big point shot this year, which has the other team keying in on Strome. Adding Jost sets up another one-time option on the PP and might free Raddysh up as the high man.

 

[1Gold Standard]

Strome reminds me of Dave Chyzowski, #2OA to the Islanders in 1989 and captain/leading scorer of our gold medal team in 1990. Both have/had hard, accurate shots (though Strome needs to quicken his release substantially if he's going to find success at the NHL level), both have/had questionable skating, Strome is probably the more well-rounded offensive player while Chyzowski played a more rugged, WHL-style game. Obviously Chyzowski busted hard pretty early in his career but at least led TC to the gold medal in '90; only time will tell what's in store for Mr. Strome.

I remember 1990 quite well. Dwayne Norris scored the gold medal clinching goal.

That was a time when the only thing on Hockey Canada's mind was winning tournaments. Nothing else mattered. Today, winning tournaments is not the only thing Hockey Canada worries about.

As for Strome, I'll never be a fan. And we have 1 more Strome and possibly 2 more tournaments to get through before I never have to worry about them again. I seriously doubt any of them are ever considered for the senior team at a serious Best on Best event. B-team World Championships is more their future.

 

[JackSlater]

Devils fan here, haven't been able to watch much of the tournament, but how have Blake Speers and Michael McLeod looked. Been pretty busy over this holiday and hoping to stay up to date on how two of our best prospects are doing. Thanks in advance!

I would like to see Speers further up the lineup. He's been good... smart player. McLeod has tools and has finished on some opportunities, but he isn't well suited to a pure offensive line because he doesn't generate much. Looks like he would be quite good in an energy role.

Wait! What? Strome being criticized for lackluster play....color me surprised. I wish to Christ Arizona had kept him in Arizona.

Play like that against Sweden in the 1/2 final, assuming we even get past the 1/4s, and you may as well forget it, you will see a shellacking for the ages. Sweden will eat TC's lunch, then for kicks steal tomorrow's lunch money and then make out with the players' girlfriends after the game.

It wouldn't be a bad thing if it all played out that way...perhaps then we can finally get rid of some the deadwood bureaucrats currently at the top of the Hockey Canada pyramid.

Happy New Year to all...

I hope the parties were wild and today's hangovers are mild.

Assuming both teams make it to the semi finals, Sweden isn't all that fearsome in knockout stages. They seem to have a block for some reason. I wouldn't make Sweden any significant favourite in that matchup. A little useless trivia - how many times has Sweden beaten Canada in a medal/elimination round game at the WJC? 0.

 

[MrStench]

Assuming both teams make it to the semi finals, Sweden isn't all that fearsome in knockout stages. They seem to have a block for some reason. I wouldn't make Sweden any significant favourite in that matchup. A little useless trivia - how many times has Sweden beaten Canada in a medal/elimination round game at the WJC? 0.

Since 2008, while Sweden is 40-0 in the round robin, it's 9-8 in elimination games, discarding bronze medal games. 0-2 against Canada, 0-2 against the US.

There was a chunk of the second period, between Canada's first and USA's third goal that Canada looked like, well, Canada. Assuming both teams advance to the semi finals, Sweden will have a very difficult time matching that kind of intensity if Canada can muster it for more than a few minutes.

 

[The Winter Soldier]

I'm not going to overreact to one game. Disappointing result, but they can still run the table. 3 in a row and you are gold medal winners. I thought Ingram let in a couple of goals that were stoppable, and the USA played a complete game defensively yesterday that made Canada look average. Credit to them, they were the better team last night. I still see this team being good enough to make it to the gold medal game. They will need more timely goaltending but this team still has the parts to get there.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I would like to see Speers further up the lineup. He's been good... smart player. McLeod has tools and has finished on some opportunities, but he isn't well suited to a pure offensive line because he doesn't generate much. Looks like he would be quite good in an energy role.



Assuming both teams make it to the semi finals, Sweden isn't all that fearsome in knockout stages. They seem to have a block for some reason. I wouldn't make Sweden any significant favourite in that matchup. A little useless trivia - how many times has Sweden beaten Canada in a medal/elimination round game at the WJC? 0.

If they can't find a better game than what they demonstrated yesterday, Canada's winning streak in medal rd. games v Sweden will come to crashing end. Sweden won't even need to break a sweat.

 

[JackSlater]

Since 2008, while Sweden is 40-0 in the round robin, it's 9-8 in elimination games, discarding bronze medal games. 0-2 against Canada, 0-2 against the US.

There was a chunk of the second period, between Canada's first and USA's third goal that Canada looked like, well, Canada. Assuming both teams advance to the semi finals, Sweden will have a very difficult time matching that kind of intensity if Canada can muster it for more than a few minutes.

Yes, elimination games have existed in this tournament since 1996. It's kind of amazing that Sweden hasn't beaten Canada in an elimination game or a medal game. That doesn't mean that Sweden never will, but Sweden just seems to underperform in the late stages. I agree that Canada only played a traditional Canadian style for those few minutes. Sadly.

If they can't find a better game than what they demonstrated yesterday, Canada's winning streak in medal rd. games v Sweden will come to crashing end. Sweden won't even need to break a sweat.

Sure, but I don't expect Canada to play that poorly again. If they play the same way then they will lose, yes.

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

I keep finding ways to disagree with Jamie McLennan. Don't know how or why but I do. Anyways TSN goalie expert (I hope that title is used very lightly) says Team Canada should go back to Carter Hart because Hart has won twice in this tournament. Even though I don't believe that Hart was particularly bad against Latvia, Ingram has taken the starting job.

I think we can all agree that the 2nd goal on Ingram is one he needs to have. Thankfully he adjusted throughout the game to that move. The other two goals were 1) a player let open in the slot for a one timer 2) bounce of a defenders leg to the weak side where there was an open net. You'd like to see one more save for sure however you can't realistically blame Ingram.

One advantage that Ingram has over Hart is over the course of the USA game Ingram actually got better. Hart never improved from period to period, only regressed in the two games he did play. I'm willing to write off the 1st period because Ingram hasn't faced any quality competition until the USA game. Once he adjusted he gave us the best chance possible at winning.

That was the best game since the Finland pre-tourney game from a Canadian goalie in this tournament. Fans have wanted Canada to run with the hottest goalie going into the tournament and the hottest goalie is Connor Ingram.

 

[JackSlater]

I keep finding ways to disagree with Jamie McLennan. Don't know how or why but I do. Anyways TSN goalie expert (I hope that title is used very lightly) says Team Canada should go back to Carter Hart because Hart has won twice in this tournament. Even though I don't believe that Hart was particularly bad against Latvia, Ingram has taken the starting job.

I think we can all agree that the 2nd goal on Ingram is one he needs to have. Thankfully he adjusted throughout the game to that move. The other two goals were 1) a player let open in the slot for a one timer 2) bounce of a defenders leg to the weak side where there was an open net. You'd like to see one more save for sure however you can't realistically blame Ingram.

One advantage that Ingram has over Hart is over the course of the USA game Ingram actually got better. Hart never improved from period to period, only regressed in the two games he did play. I'm willing to write off the 1st period because Ingram hasn't faced any quality competition until the USA game. Once he adjusted he gave us the best chance possible at winning.

That was the best game since the Finland pre-tourney game from a Canadian goalie in this tournament. Fans have wanted Canada to run with the hottest goalie going into the tournament and the hottest goalie is Connor Ingram.

I agree with this. The second goal was weak on Ingram's part, but after that he was quite good when he needed to be. Hart hasn't done anything to actually establish that he should be the starter going forward.

Also, new lines:

 

[wishywashy19]

I agree with this. The second goal was weak on Ingram's part, but after that he was quite good when he needed to be. Hart hasn't done anything to actually establish that he should be the starter going forward.

Also, new lines:

Glad to see Dubois move down and would drop further but he doesn't fit there either
This game belonged to the team that pushed the pace and IT wasn't us
Meyers situation is the worst possible for our D
Toss up for nets
Let's get by the Czech please
Is Stephens ready?

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

I agree with this. The second goal was weak on Ingram's part, but after that he was quite good when he needed to be. Hart hasn't done anything to actually establish that he should be the starter going forward.

Also, new lines:

Why aren't they putting Juulsen in the first pairing instead of Clague?

 

[Jason MacIsaac]

I really like Jost with Speers on a line, Strome should be in his own end much less with these two.

 

[JackSlater]

Why aren't they putting Juulsen in the first pairing instead of Clague?

Juulsen is probably the best defensive defenceman on the team, and Bean definitely needs to be covered for defensively more than Chabot does.

 

[Tripod]

If they can't find a better game than what they demonstrated yesterday, Canada's winning streak in medal rd. games v Sweden will come to crashing end. Sweden won't even need to break a sweat.

For Canada to win Gold, the goaltending needs to be much better regardless who plays.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I really like Jost with Speers on a line, Strome should be in his own end much less with these two.

Good change

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Why aren't they putting Juulsen in the first pairing instead of Clague?

He isn't that good.

 

[reffree]

He isn't that good.

Agree, but Clague playing with Chabot on the top pair means alot of lose board battle to me ... Bean and Clague are the two guy a trust the least and they are now on the top two pair

 

[snipes]

I said it before and I'll say it again , this is the softest team I've ever seen. This is a euro team of the 80's

I agree that Canada only played a traditional Canadian style for those few minutes. Sadly.

I said from the beginning we needed to assemble a bully to win Gold. Our game is distinct and works for us. Physical intimidation works in junior, always has. We're drifting away from our Canadian way the last two WJCs.

If we play a soft Euro style game like we did for the majority of the USA game, we won't succeed. The Yanks were tougher and more physical.

Myers gets dropped and the USA were more physical, when we did decide to play with more intensity and ramp up the vitriol, we looked better in the 3rd.

It doesn't even need to be huge knockout hitting. Just finish your checks and play with desperation like everything is on the line, because now it is. Alternatively, play so aggressive you beat the team to the puck and win the battles for possession. I'm not ready to write this team off, we've seen how they can play when they play a Canadian style game.

If they don't play pissed off and with some nastiness we won't reach our goal. Again, not dirty hockey or stick crap, I mean physical aggression within the rules of the game. Finish every check, make everyone who touches the puck pay. Dubois, Gauthier, Lauzon, et al. better step the **** up.

 

[KBobs]

I keep finding ways to disagree with Jamie McLennan. Don't know how or why but I do. Anyways TSN goalie expert (I hope that title is used very lightly) says Team Canada should go back to Carter Hart because Hart has won twice in this tournament. Even though I don't believe that Hart was particularly bad against Latvia, Ingram has taken the starting job.

I think we can all agree that the 2nd goal on Ingram is one he needs to have. Thankfully he adjusted throughout the game to that move. The other two goals were 1) a player let open in the slot for a one timer 2) bounce of a defenders leg to the weak side where there was an open net. You'd like to see one more save for sure however you can't realistically blame Ingram.

One advantage that Ingram has over Hart is over the course of the USA game Ingram actually got better. Hart never improved from period to period, only regressed in the two games he did play. I'm willing to write off the 1st period because Ingram hasn't faced any quality competition until the USA game. Once he adjusted he gave us the best chance possible at winning.

That was the best game since the Finland pre-tourney game from a Canadian goalie in this tournament. Fans have wanted Canada to run with the hottest goalie going into the tournament and the hottest goalie is Connor Ingram.

Being an NHL goalie and NHL goalie coach is fair game to be called a goale expert -- whether you agree with him or not is irrelevant.

Anyhow, hopefully the loss to the US promotes an attitude adjustment. Call me a traditionalist, but I'd like to see the leadership group look a bit more serious. Every time I see Strome in an interview, being filmed in practice, etc, he's laughing and/or screwing around. I know they're young, but I don't remember Crosby, Bergeron, or Toews acting like that. His attitude sure goes hand-in-hand with his work ethic, though...

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Being an NHL goalie and NHL goalie coach is fair game to be called a goale expert -- whether you agree with him or not is irrelevant.

His reasoning is terrible though. What kind of expert says go with the goalie that has two wins regardless of his performance? Martin Biron has more sound analysis, he should get McLennan's POST2POST segment.

 

[Appleyard]

His reasoning is terrible though. What kind of expert says go with the goalie that has two wins regardless of his performance? Martin Biron has more sound analysis, he should get McLennan's POST2POST segment.

Biron always impresses me with his analysis... seems a guy who always makes good points and is very logical and measured in his analysis, unlike 95% of players turned analysts out there.

Though I do feel like he is staring through the TV into my soul when he is on... those freaking eyes!

 

[Scotty B]

It's quite obvious that Dubois, despite his pedigree, needs to play on the 3rd/4th line and be a forecheck player, rather than an offensive catalyst.

Jost needs more minutes and needs to be featured on the top PP unit.

Ingram should never see the net again, awful goaltending on goals 2 and 3.

Canada is missing a big point shot this year, which has the other team keying in on Strome. Adding Jost sets up another one-time option on the PP and might free Raddysh up as the high man.

Nonsense...Ingram had no chance on 3rd goal which bounced to Yanks feet and got potted before anyone else, Ingram included could react...Ist goal was a case of 4 Canuck skaters just standing around while a Yank got set up in perfect scoring position...On the other goal a Yank was allowed to waltz right in to goal mouth untouched,that's NOT on Ingram either...he oughta sue his mates for lack of support...

Stopped 2 breakaways giving his mates ample opportunity to stage a comeback, but they couldn't come thru for him...

Hart's too tentative / plays too deep in the net/ doesn't challenge shooters enough at times.

Ingram is bigger and his body language under fire looks better...

He'd be my guy in QF's sans doubt....and if memory serves most of the TSN guys agreed...

 

[Gigantor The Goalie]

Nonsense...Ingram had no chance on 3rd goal which bounced to Yanks feet and got potted before anyone else, Ingram included could react...Ist goal was a case of 4 Canuck skaters just standing around while a Yank got set up in perfect scoring position...On the other goal a Yank was allowed to waltz right in to goal mouth untouched,that's NOT on Ingram either...he oughta sue his mates for lack of support...

Stopped 2 breakaways giving his mates ample opportunity to stage a comeback, but they couldn't come thru for him...

Hart's too tentative / plays too deep in the net/ doesn't challenge shooters enough at times.

Ingram is bigger and his body language under fire looks better...

He'd be my guy in QF's sans doubt....and if memory serves most of the TSN guys agreed...

Except for noted TSN goalie expert Jamie McLennan, he thinks we should be going back to Hart. I'll agree with you on goals 1 & 3 however goal 3 is on Ingram. He wasn't ready and his stick was in the wrong position for the goal. In the first period plus a bit of the 2nd Ingram looked uncomfortable on his posts. Like I said though he got better as the game went on, he adjusted and locked it down in the 3rd when Canada needed him.