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WJC: 2017 Canada Roster Talk - Part 1

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ecemleafs said:
id rather have eichel, larkin, hanifin than those players with mcdavid injured.
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Mr new york

Can you go to the usa board as this is a 2017 canada roster conversation

I dont Really care if you like mcicle and hanif over anyone else

So please go to the usa board

Thanks
 
who cares Canada is out, World Junior Tournament is over now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! when Canada isn,t playing its dead
 
Tom Renney is saying coaching was fine. It was the goaltending and penalties that killed Canada. Guess what he helped pick this squad. He should be fired. Next year add some size and speed.
 
bobber said:
Tom Renney is saying coaching was fine. It was the goaltending and penalties that killed Canada. Guess what he helped pick this squad. He should be fired. Next year add some size and speed.
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Renney made a fool of himself with his comments. Of course he can't really come out and directly say that the coaching was atrocious, but to defend the coaching means that the blame belongs elsewhere. Anyone with a pulse knows that the coach was the main issue.
 
moon said:
That would be horrible for his development why would they do that?
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Why would that be horrible? He's way to good for the OHL, not quite strong enough for the NHL, so what do you do? As a leafs fan, I'd be open to letting him play in a skill based men's league in Europe, provided there was a good fit over there for him.
 
JackSlater said:
Renney made a fool of himself with his comments. Of course he can't really come out and directly say that the coaching was atrocious, but to defend the coaching means that the blame belongs elsewhere. Anyone with a pulse knows that the coach was the main issue.
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The former coach defends the coaches? color me surprised.

Renney isn't fooling anybody who witnessed that coaching fiasco. While Renney is at it, he can take some of the blame himself.
 
Coaching didn't lose this team the game vs Finland.

One player basically lost it with his plays. If those never happen, Canada wins.

First period Canada completely took it to them, he got a lot out of this group. He's definitely not at fault. It's always the coach who receives blame, but when the players don't perform with all the preparations they're given, it's on them.

Canada should have won that game and everyone knows it.
 
habsrule4eva3089 said:
Coaching didn't lose this team the game vs Finland.

One player basically lost it with his plays. If those never happen, Canada wins.

First period Canada completely took it to them, he got a lot out of this group. He's definitely not at fault. It's always the coach who receives blame, but when the players don't perform with all the preparations they're given, it's on them.

Canada should have won that game and everyone knows it.
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I strongly disagree. Someone had to put Virtanen out on the ice, and that person was Lowry. Despite taking numerous retaliatory and stupid, undisciplined penalties throughout the tournament (and also playing poorly for all but a handful of shifts against Sweden and Finland) Virtanen never missed a shift. After taking the double-minor in the 3rd, Virtanen was on the ice on the immediate ES shift after the kill. Virtanen was out there with under two minutes left in the game, lost a puck battle in his own zone, and the Finns nearly scored. The same goes for Perlini, by the way. The coach has to hold players accountable for undisciplined and selfish play, and the best way to do that is to bench them. Period. Lowry failed miserably in this regard.

Canada did play well in the 1st period against Finland, but if you go back and re-watch the game (I did) all four lines were rolling, all four lines were engaged and momentum was carried shift over shift. When Lowry started shortening his bench in the 2nd, and the Barzal and Stephens lines started seeing the ice less, is when Canada got away from that game. Lowry panicked and got away from what had worked earlier in the game, and which is really a hallmark of good Canadian teams - taking advantage of our depth. If you re-watch the 2015 gold medal game against Russia, you'll notice that Groulx didn't hesitate to roll all four lines in high-intensity, short shifts, even when protecting the lead. He had trust in all of his players, whereas it seems evident that Lowry only had trust in a few of his.
 
86Habs said:
I strongly disagree. Someone had to put Virtanen out on the ice, and that person was Lowry. Despite taking numerous retaliatory and stupid, undisciplined penalties throughout the tournament (and also playing poorly for all but a handful of shifts against Sweden and Finland) Virtanen never missed a shift. After taking the double-minor in the 3rd, Virtanen was on the ice on the immediate ES shift after the kill. Virtanen was out there with under two minutes left in the game, lost a puck battle in his own zone, and the Finns nearly scored. The same goes for Perlini, by the way. The coach has to hold players accountable for undisciplined and selfish play, and the best way to do that is to bench them. Period. Lowry failed miserably in this regard.

Canada did play well in the 1st period against Finland, but if you go back and re-watch the game (I did) all four lines were rolling, all four lines were engaged and momentum was carried shift over shift. When Lowry started shortening his bench in the 2nd, and the Barzal and Stephens lines started seeing the ice less, is when Canada got away from that game. Lowry panicked and got away from what had worked earlier in the game, and which is really a hallmark of good Canadian teams - taking advantage of our depth. If you re-watch the 2015 gold medal game against Russia, you'll notice that Groulx didn't hesitate to roll all four lines in high-intensity, short shifts, even when protecting the lead. He had trust in all of his players, whereas it seems evident that Lowry only had trust in a few of his.
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Bang on. The lack of trust in his 'team' was once again painfully evident in him leaving Blackwood in goal inspite of him playing poorly.
 
Mr Writer said:
The former coach defends the coaches? color me surprised.

Renney isn't fooling anybody who witnessed that coaching fiasco. While Renney is at it, he can take some of the blame himself.
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I'm unimpressed with him thus far, based on these comments and his support for the North American Young Gunz. His real role will be growing the hockey base though.

habsrule4eva3089 said:
Coaching didn't lose this team the game vs Finland.

One player basically lost it with his plays. If those never happen, Canada wins.

First period Canada completely took it to them, he got a lot out of this group. He's definitely not at fault. It's always the coach who receives blame, but when the players don't perform with all the preparations they're given, it's on them.

Canada should have won that game and everyone knows it.
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In addition to what 86Habs said, did you not notice the atrocious PK? The impotent PP? How often the forwards had to skate the puck up ice from Canada's own zone? The 2016 WJC was a missed opportunity with none of the other teams being particularly good, and Lowry is easily the primary factor among the other issues.
 
my name is Bob said:
Why would that be horrible? He's way to good for the OHL, not quite strong enough for the NHL, so what do you do? As a leafs fan, I'd be open to letting him play in a skill based men's league in Europe, provided there was a good fit over there for him.
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I don't buy the too good for the OHL argument for one.

I don't think going to a 3rd rate Euro league is going to do much at all for his development.

You lose control of his coaching, the team has little reason to do what's best for him and playing against crappy Euro league players isn't developing him any more than playing in the OHL.
 
moon said:
I don't buy the too good for the OHL argument for one.

I don't think going to a 3rd rate Euro league is going to do much at all for his development.

You lose control of his coaching, the team has little reason to do what's best for him and playing against crappy Euro league players isn't developing him any more than playing in the OHL.
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I see him play every weekend and me and many others can assure you that he is too good for the OHL...really there's no ideal solution for Mitch this coming season... Here's hoping he puts on 15 pounds this summer
 
my name is Bob said:
I see him play every weekend and me and many others can assure you that he is too good for the OHL...really there's no ideal solution for Mitch this coming season... Here's hoping he puts on 15 pounds this summer
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I guess I should have said that I don't see how it can be that he is too good for the OHL but not ready for the NHL. If he really is too good for the OHL he should be fine in the NHL.

I know he isn't 200+ lbs, but if he is too good for the OHL then he should be fine playing on a Maple Leafs team with zero shot at contending so they should be fine to give him sheltered minutes and make sure his development is handled properly.
 
Marner will not be there. For anyone that thinks he will:

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/dreger-could-marner-play-for-the-leafs-next-season-1.405502

Babcock and others around the Leafs organization believe Marner will be a star. He is too good for the OHL, that's a fact. We don't know if he'll be ready for the NHL next year, but that's pretty much the only choice. Sending him back another year is a waste. He has mastered the OHL, you send him back again and bad habits will start to develop.
 
Mats13 said:
Marner will not be there. For anyone that thinks he will:

http://www.tsn.ca/radio/toronto-1050/dreger-could-marner-play-for-the-leafs-next-season-1.405502

Babcock and others around the Leafs organization believe Marner will be a star. He is too good for the OHL, that's a fact. We don't know if he'll be ready for the NHL next year, but that's pretty much the only choice. Sending him back another year is a waste. He has mastered the OHL, you send him back again and bad habits will start to develop.
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That interview you linked to does not say he will not be at WJC next year.
 
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