Hurricane28
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There's no way they are re-signing Flippula. Same with Manning. If Hextall knew we were getting Patrick (he didn't), he likely doesn't acquire Flippula
2017-18 Roster Talk: Part Ten
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deadhead
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To be fair, Raffl looked like he was on the downslope of his career after last season, they saw Read steadily decline around the same age. Then when the 4th line was playing so well, why break up a good thing - but notice how much better Raffl is away from Leier and Laughton, which is why I question their skill level (not their hustle).
The other issue was Weal - Filppula - Simmonds was a solid line the last 20 games last year.
So it did make sense to keep the 1st and 4th line together, and hope the Filppula line rediscovered their late year magic.
The other issue was Weal - Filppula - Simmonds was a solid line the last 20 games last year.
So it did make sense to keep the 1st and 4th line together, and hope the Filppula line rediscovered their late year magic.
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The one thing that really helps with splitting up the top line is matchups. Now they can stagger the forwards and the D. Before they used the top line with Provorov-Hagg/MacDonald and on the road if they didn't get that matchup they were in trouble. Now they can send out Voracek's line (I refuse to call it the Filppula line) with the top pair and be fine while also putting out Couturier's line with the bottom 4 D and be fine. It only took 1/3 of the season but we're cooking with gas now! 
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They brought in Flip to be the 3C behind Giroux and Couturier at the deadline, which made a lot of sense considering he also came with bonus picks. But then they thought why not make him the 2C without a winger who could carry his line. Which didn't make much sense.
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They really have to capitalise on the next 9 game stretch...
pretty soft spot in the schedule with only 2 games vs top ten teams and 4 vs teams 26th and below.
Really need to get ~12+ points of the available 18 to get back in the play-off picture.
If they did that they would have 39 points in 37 games and likely be 9-10th in the East 2-3 points out of final wildcard spot.
pretty soft spot in the schedule with only 2 games vs top ten teams and 4 vs teams 26th and below.
Really need to get ~12+ points of the available 18 to get back in the play-off picture.
If they did that they would have 39 points in 37 games and likely be 9-10th in the East 2-3 points out of final wildcard spot.
I think a big part of my frustration is that this team as it's constructed is not winning anything without getting big contributions from guys like Konecny, Patrick, and Sanheim and I feel as though the way they're being deployed is impeding that growth.
I’m okay with resigning Flippula ONLY if by February they are using him as a 3C and he isn’t taking shifts away from the youth 5v5 and PP. however as of today, Flippula is a coach/gm favourite that is playing higher then he should.
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When? When he was the "best" defenseman on the worst defensive team in the NHL? As soon as we went and got him and Streit I realized we were morons - it's like the prettiest girl with two teeth, she still has no damn teeth who cares if she's the prettiest of the ugly.
IDK in the realm of all the tall, bleh defenseman over the years where Andy falls. Perhaps Coburn > Andy > Matt Carle?
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He's best at the top of the umbrella or 1-3-1 or whatever they call their PP setup, but that would mean Provorov is not on the PP which won't happen.
I thought fitting him onto the PP would have been the easiest part of getting him involved if he made the big club this year. I didn't think they would keep him in the NHL and not play him on special teams. It doesn't make sense.
I thought fitting him onto the PP would have been the easiest part of getting him involved if he made the big club this year. I didn't think they would keep him in the NHL and not play him on special teams. It doesn't make sense.
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I saw this as two seasons, 38 games to the end of December, 44 games after that.
If they're around 40 points on January 1, they probably need 55 in 44 games to make the playoffs, which is a 103 point per season pace.
Probably too much to expect, but a good gauge of how much they improve the second half.
Anything over 50 points and they're in good shape to contend for a playoff spot next year.
51 points would be a 95 point pace, and that would be a good starting point for 2018-19.
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yeah and there's too many changes on the roster, hextall should have just let the young kids play and by getting rid of giroux, jake, simmonds, get them this year to figure it out and get in the top 5 and next year they will be better. the way hextall is doing this, it's setting this team back further because more young players come in screws up chemistry and causes to lose more games and wasting giroux and jake's talent for nothing.
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Speaking of PP, here are Couturier's stats since joining the PP1 unit on October 28th:
5 points in 18 games (all primary)......scales to 23 points in 82 games, and that's without any secondary assists and adjusting for ice-time, because if you remember they weren't getting many PPs the first handful of games. He also has 1 6v5 goal that doesn't count as a PP point.
So, 55 minutes with him: 139.3 CF/60 as a unit............14 shots/60, 5.44 points/60 individually.
With Filppula in the first 10 games: 122.6 CF/60 as a unit...............9 shots/60, 4.8 points/60 individually. But Filppula's shooting % was also 33% versus Coots' 23%, which is more sustainable for a PP shooter, let alone Flip. By the eye too it's pretty obvious Couturier's role is more cohesive and presence larger. He actually is tied for the team lead in PP points since together, which is certainly odd and looking at other numbers might speak to there being more meat on the bone for that unit when %s bounce back, like Simmonds' low shooting %. In that 18 game span Simmonds and Couturier are both tied for lead in primary assists, and Giroux and Jake only have 3 and 4 assists respectively.
So, last year with Schenn: 132.8 CF/60 as a unit.......15.8 shots/60, 5.85 points/60 individually (only 11 shots/60, 4.77 points/60 in 2015-16). Schenn had 22 and 28 PP points in consecutive years. Adjusting for similar total ice time, Couturier would be pacing for 26 PP points in a full season. Not bad for a guy whose past PP performance bore the brunt of criticism on PP2, not even PP1.
5 points in 18 games (all primary)......scales to 23 points in 82 games, and that's without any secondary assists and adjusting for ice-time, because if you remember they weren't getting many PPs the first handful of games. He also has 1 6v5 goal that doesn't count as a PP point.
So, 55 minutes with him: 139.3 CF/60 as a unit............14 shots/60, 5.44 points/60 individually.
With Filppula in the first 10 games: 122.6 CF/60 as a unit...............9 shots/60, 4.8 points/60 individually. But Filppula's shooting % was also 33% versus Coots' 23%, which is more sustainable for a PP shooter, let alone Flip. By the eye too it's pretty obvious Couturier's role is more cohesive and presence larger. He actually is tied for the team lead in PP points since together, which is certainly odd and looking at other numbers might speak to there being more meat on the bone for that unit when %s bounce back, like Simmonds' low shooting %. In that 18 game span Simmonds and Couturier are both tied for lead in primary assists, and Giroux and Jake only have 3 and 4 assists respectively.
So, last year with Schenn: 132.8 CF/60 as a unit.......15.8 shots/60, 5.85 points/60 individually (only 11 shots/60, 4.77 points/60 in 2015-16). Schenn had 22 and 28 PP points in consecutive years. Adjusting for similar total ice time, Couturier would be pacing for 26 PP points in a full season. Not bad for a guy whose past PP performance bore the brunt of criticism on PP2, not even PP1.
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Which is why I always look at ES production separate from PP production.
While there are some players who can't hack PP duty, and a few who excel, when there is virtually no difference between Schenn and Couts, and even Filppula might rack up 20 points instead of 22-28, total points depends more on opportunity than skill for most players. The same player, put on 2nd PP instead of 1st PP, could score 15-20 points less without any difference in performance, only opportunity.
While there are some players who can't hack PP duty, and a few who excel, when there is virtually no difference between Schenn and Couts, and even Filppula might rack up 20 points instead of 22-28, total points depends more on opportunity than skill for most players. The same player, put on 2nd PP instead of 1st PP, could score 15-20 points less without any difference in performance, only opportunity.
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Shocking....Couts was not fully to blame for the 2PP woes. He deserved his part of the blame, but so did everyone else on the unit and Mullen.
I love that Couts continues to quiet the haters.
I love that Couts continues to quiet the haters.
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They at least ran a beautiful set play on PP1's Couturier-to-Weal goal last night that was a decoy of their stagnant 1-3-1 setup. That's something.
Everyone in the league knows how to defend that basic setup, so if they're going to use it, it's going to have to be as a mask.
Edit: Also, they should not re-sign Filppula under any circumstances. Hopefully they can get something for him at the deadline.
Everyone in the league knows how to defend that basic setup, so if they're going to use it, it's going to have to be as a mask.
Edit: Also, they should not re-sign Filppula under any circumstances. Hopefully they can get something for him at the deadline.
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