Salary Cap: 2017-18 Roster Building Thread VI | Contract/FA charts in Post #1 | CAP SET at $75M

[Darth Vitale]

Yeah it would be absolutely unfair lol... I told my friend that we would be the Miami Heat of the NHL... I liked your reference about super teams earlier in the thread, you were spot on about them eliminating any parody in the league.

The parody must continue if we are to maintain sanity while enduring the work of NHL mgmt, however parity would definitely take a hit.

I'd love to see a Crosby-Malkin-Thornton-Kessel-Letang powerplay. Just to see how many consecutive passes they can make without shooting.

I think this is known as self-parody. And it would be pretty funny at first. But by Christmas it would make us all weep tears of pain.

 

[mpp9]

Sakic wants an under 25 D with legit NHL experience as the basis. Isles' Pulock doesn't have that so he's probably asking for their top prospect in addition so he mitigates his risk. I'd say the equivalent for us would be Maatta+Sprong/Guentzel+.

Isles can have him if that's the price. But I think it'll come down especially if he wants Maatta and is just trying to drive up the price by asking for top prospects.

 

[TimmyD]

The parody must continue if we are to maintain sanity while enduring the work of NHL mgmt, however parity would definitely take a hit.




I think this is known as self-parody. And it would be pretty funny at first. But by Christmas it would make us all weep tears of pain.

Woops can't believe I made that mistake lol. Yes parity would for sure take a hit if a team anywhere near that caliber was assembled. That is why I can't stand the NBA, that and I really hate LeBron James being the face of that league but that is an off topic discussion

 

[Speaking Moistly]

I have no idea what Sakic is thinking he's doing here. Like he just flat out doesn't have the leverage to ask for that kind of obscene price, yet he keeps doing it. He flat out has to trade Duchene this summer. Acting like a **** in negotiations in a situation where you have no leverage is a great way to get blacklisted by every other GM.

I figure he's either delusional or realizes he needs a haul to keep his job. The problem is Duchene is coming off a bad season, everyone knows he needs to go, it's not a small cap hit, and he's only signed for two more years. It's been three seasons since he was almost a ppg and he followed up a 30 goal season with 18 goals. He's been on an increasingly bad team but **** happens.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

Sakic wants an under 25 D with legit NHL experience as the basis. Isles' Pulock doesn't have that so he's probably asking for their top prospect in addition so he mitigates his risk. I'd say the equivalent for us would be Maatta+Sprong/Guentzel+.

Isles can have him if that's the price. But I think it'll come down especially if he wants Maatta and is just trying to drive up the price by asking for top prospects.

You wouldn't pay Maatta + a prospect that everyone else sees as a guy that hasn't done anything yet + a really late 1st? That's a fair price looking at it from a league-wide perspective.

Regardless, it doesn't even matter though because then we have Duchene sucking up Maatta's cap space plus $2 million more, and we're missing a 2nd pair D. I like the possibility of bringing in a young center like him or even Galchenyuk because there will be a changing of the guard in a few years, but I just don't know how we'd make this deal work.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I mentioned this 2 days ago or so and didn't really get much a response, would you be okay with trading Maatta to Dallas for Faksa and another young piece?

 

[ColePens]

You wouldn't pay Maatta + a prospect that everyone else sees as a guy that hasn't done anything yet + a really late 1st? That's a fair price looking at it from a league-wide perspective.

Regardless, it doesn't even matter though because then we have Duchene sucking up Maatta's cap space plus $2 million more, and we're missing a 2nd pair D. I like the possibility of bringing in a young center like him or even Galchenyuk because there will be a changing of the guard in a few years, but I just don't know how we'd make this deal work.

If we pay Maatta, what are we paying to get a top defender back here, too? I don't get the Duchene thing. Do I want him here? Sure... at a fair price. Giving up what we have to give and then we are hunting a defender bad.

 

[Deport Ogie]

I don't know a ton about Faksa, anecdotally he's a young big body and his defensive game is highly considered. If you drop him in as the Pens 3c he probably has 20 goal potential, would you say? Is he Jordan Staal?

The running question with trading a Maatta for a F is that you're still weakening your weak point to strengthen your strong point. I'm not openly against it but it would all be so much easier if you knew who your top 4 replacement is.

 

[mpp9]

You wouldn't pay Maatta + a prospect that everyone else sees as a guy that hasn't done anything yet + a really late 1st? That's a fair price looking at it from a league-wide perspective.

Regardless, it doesn't even matter though because then we have Duchene sucking up Maatta's cap space plus $2 million more, and we're missing a 2nd pair D. I like the possibility of bringing in a young center like him or even Galchenyuk because there will be a changing of the guard in a few years, but I just don't know how we'd make this deal work.

I'm not paying Maatta+Guentzel. I'd rather not move Sprong since he could potentially replace Kessel at some point and open up cap room to keep another player, like Duchene.

We'll see what he goes for. One would think even Sakic would want this done by tomorrow.

 

[ColePens]

Maybe let's circle back and see if NJ has any reason to want to move Henrique. 2 years left @4m per. Low term is always a bonus for our situation. Could improve on his FO%, but he blocks shots and plays a role our 3C would play.

 

[Penske]

I mentioned this 2 days ago or so and didn't really get much a response, would you be okay with trading Maatta to Dallas for Faksa and another young piece?

If Maatta is getting traded it really should be with a winger for an upgrade on D. We'll have the best forward group no matter what. I'd like the D to be better/different.

 

[mpp9]

I don't know a ton about Faksa, anecdotally he's a young big body and his defensive game is highly considered. If you drop him in as the Pens 3c he probably has 20 goal potential, would you say? Is he Jordan Staal?

The running question with trading a Maatta for a F is that you're still weakening your weak point to strengthen your strong point. I'm not openly against it but it would all be so much easier if you knew who your top 4 replacement is.

JR's not dumb. He's obviously been delving into this possibillty since before the deadline. Looked like he was interested in some of the UFAs like Kulikov and Smith. Wild are likely moving Scandella, Dumba or Brodin. Vegas still has a D they could move. JR isn't trading Maatta without having a replacement ready to go. Just like with Sutter. Brought in Bonino and Fehr right away.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

I'm not paying Maatta+Guentzel. I'd rather not move Sprong since he could potentially replace Kessel at some point and open up cap room to keep another player, like Duchene.

We'll see what he goes for. One would think even Sakic would want this done by tomorrow.

No I wouldn't either. I understand now wanting to move Sprong, but you have to give to get. It's a somewhat steep but legitimate price for a good player who's signed.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't know a ton about Faksa, anecdotally he's a young big body and his defensive game is highly considered. If you drop him in as the Pens 3c he probably has 20 goal potential, would you say? Is he Jordan Staal?

The running question with trading a Maatta for a F is that you're still weakening your weak point to strengthen your strong point. I'm not openly against it but it would all be so much easier if you knew who your top 4 replacement is.

I could see the comparison between Faksa and Staal, but I don't think Faksa has the offensive upside of Staal.

I'm also not really concerned with having an upgrade readily available, because like mpp9 said, JR would have that lined up. If you trade Maatta for a 3C and then trade for Scandella with using futures, I think the Penguins would come out ahead, especially if they can then sign a guy like Stone in free agency.

Maybe let's circle back and see if NJ has any reason to want to move Henrique. 2 years left @4m per. Low term is always a bonus for our situation. Could improve on his FO%, but he blocks shots and plays a role our 3C would play.

I'd be really happy with Henrique, but I just can't see that happening. Although the Devils do desperately need D help more than anything and they'll be drafting a center 1st overall this year, which gives them Hischier/Patrick, Zacha and Zajac down the middle.

If Maatta is getting traded it really should be with a winger for an upgrade on D. We'll have the best forward group no matter what. I'd like the D to be better/different.

The Penguins really don't need a winger though, I'd rather trade him for a young 3C over trading him for something they don't need.

 

[Iron Tusk]

The one thing I do NOT want us to do is acquire players with long term, unless they're stupidly cheap. A player like Demers (4yrs @ 4.5m) is definitely out of the question. That moves us out of most free agents as well.

The only player I'd give long term to is Shattenkirk, but he's not signing here.

 

[Peat]

When i say long(er) term, i mean the vet guys(just under Sid/G's age) who've been top C's elsewhere and they haven't won diddly squat.
Guy like Duchene would be the happiest NHL player ever playing 3C here.
But in the mean time, signing acceptable 3C's to moveable contracts is the next best thing.
Re-up'ing Bones to an immoveable contract is no bueno.

I just think the Duchene/Galchenyuk guy will spend more time playing wing than 3C should we get him.


Speaking of Duchene... I wonder if Sakic thinks he can hold on long enough that he goes another year and he can trade Duchene with permission to settle a contract first?

 

[Penske]

I could see the comparison between Faksa and Staal, but I don't think Faksa has the offensive upside of Staal.

I'm also not really concerned with having an upgrade readily available, because like mpp9 said, JR would have that lined up. If you trade Maatta for a 3C and then trade for Scandella with using futures, I think the Penguins would come out ahead, especially if they can then sign a guy like Stone in free agency.



I'd be really happy with Henrique, but I just can't see that happening. Although the Devils do desperately need D help more than anything and they'll be drafting a center 1st overall this year, which gives them Hischier/Patrick, Zacha and Zajac down the middle.



The Penguins really don't need a winger though, I'd rather trade him for a young 3C over trading him for something they don't need.

What I was saying was Maatta + one of our wingers for a D upgrade.

 

[Empoleon8771]

What I was saying was Maatta + one of our wingers for a D upgrade.

Oh sorry, my bad. I thought you said "Maatta for a winger or a D upgrade", that's my fault.

 

[Malkinstheman]

 

[ColePens]

Chances it is to the Pens? Has to be very slim. A lot of teams need defenders and can offer a lot more than us.

 

[cheesedanish87]

I don't want to see the Pens trade for any 3rd line centers, you got plenty of guys available on July 1 that can fill that roll without giving up assets.

Def is a different story, not much available in free agency, pens are gonna need to trade for one.

Demers seems like such a good option to me, Florida just wants to dump his contract.

Hes a top 4 right handed def on a decent contract that's probably available for a mid round pick, i don't see much not to like with Demers.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I don't want to see the Pens trade for any 3rd line centers, you got plenty of guys available on July 1 that can fill that roll without giving up assets.

Def is a different story, not much available in free agency, pens are gonna need to trade for one.

I don't agree with this at all, I think there are a lot more options for defensemen in free agency than there are options for 3Cs in free agency.

I really want Brodin, but I'd settle with Scandella and still be pretty happy.

Although, then again, if your top-4 is Maatta-Letang and Dumoulin-Schultz, do the Penguins need another top-4 D? I think my issue with the defense was under the assumption that Dumoulin-Letang was a pair, I think both Letang and Dumoulin could anchor their respective pairs and make their pairs good. Each of Letang and Dumoulin mask the issues of their D partners extremely well.

 

[UnderratedBrooks44]

If there are more than a couple 3C options besides Bonino I haven't seen them, and one of those is Hanzal.

 

[Pens1566]

I'd cough up Sheary for Brodin.

 

[WayneSid9987]

If you go to Nichols twitter there^, you'll see a bunch of stuff from the insiders this morning.