2017-18 Kings News/Rumors/Tidbits

[SettlementRichie10]

No offense, but this is bookmark material

Lol, that's fine. But I do think it's reasonable to have serious doubts about Vilardi's health. There's a reason he fell to 11th in the draft.

 

[USE Fi]

Shore is also a UFA at seasons end and with Kopiatr, Carter, Kempe, Vilardi, Amadio and possibly Prokhorkin and Dergachyov... Shore is likely to find a home elsewhere...

Shore is RFA after this season.

 

[regulate]

Lol, that's fine. But I do think it's reasonable to have serious doubts about Vilardi's health. There's a reason he fell to 11th in the draft.

Mike Futa disagrees with your statements about health concerns and his draft position.

 

[regulate]

Rosen had an update I believe yesterday, on LAKI. Clifford hasn’t been on the ice since his “upper body” injury. If it’s another concussion, it doesn’t bode well. Hoping it’s his shoulder, for his sake.

He posted several photos on social media with his left arm in a sleeve and his right arm without, so it's definitely a shoulder, left arm related injury, which is exactly where he was hit on the play he was injured.

 

[regulate]

Villardi isnt ready. Neither is Amadio. Porkins is under contract next season Dergachyov is never going to come over.

I agree with your statements, but Amadio is looking quite good out there in his limited minutes. The kid looks ready. And he won 6 of 7 draws tonight, which is his biggest weakness in the A.

 

[Reaper45]

I agree with your statements, but Amadio is looking quite good out there in his limited minutes. The kid looks ready. And he won 6 of 7 draws tonight, which is his biggest weakness in the A.

He's obviously the closest but I'm not ready to hand over the tough minutes to him yet. Especially since he's got some offensive talent I don't want to see stymied like Shores was.

 

[King'sPawn]

Lol, that's fine. But I do think it's reasonable to have serious doubts about Vilardi's health. There's a reason he fell to 11th in the draft.

Please provide one source. Any source aside from Kings fan speculstion, stating that Vilardi fell due to health.

Even the Kings staff bring up his skating at the time he's drafted.

The hockey cognoscenti’s perceived knock on him is his skating. I don’t find his skating to be subpar. I guess if you want to be critical and conservative, you could say his skating is slightly below average.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/06/23/mark-yannetti-scouting-gabriel-vilardi-skill-set/

Our guys, they have him as an average-plus skater. I mean, it’s not a kid that’s a blazer, but this is a kid that has never had any probable getting around the ice at any level he’s been at, and again, our guys are absolutely thrilled.

http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/06/23/vilardi-talks-getting-drafted-futa-describes-skill-set/

Now do you think his skating keeps being brought up because scouting reports were focused on... his health and durability?

I'm confounded how this is still an ongoing narrative, especislly given that he is cleared to skate.

 

[kings11]

Shore is RFA after this season.

For some reason i thought he was UFA but that was Dowd... either way I stand by mt assumption that both Vilardi and Amadio will make him redundant next season.

 

[kings11]

He's obviously the closest but I'm not ready to hand over the tough minutes to him yet. Especially since he's got some offensive talent I don't want to see stymied like Shores was.

Shore didnt get stymied 45, he was always destined to be a 4C with occasional 3C duties whereas Amadio is our future 3C with 2C potential. As for tough minutes, well the kid is pretty damn good defensively and the one gripe we all had were his FO's but he's winning those! Amadio's offense will be a results of the talent around him and at last check its likely to be Kempe and Gaborik at his wings so i think he'll be ok....

 

[Omni Owl]

Man this f***ing team looks good so far. The guys actually look like they want to be out there and seem to have better attitudes. The injection of youth into the lineup has been a difference maker so far, the kids seem to be thriving under Stevens. Hopefully the team can get hot down the stretch when the playoffs start, its always tough starting out good and then petering out. Hope that doesn't happen...

 

[Reaper45]

How do you figure? Shore scored 60 points in his last season in the AHL in 57 games, regular season and playoffs combined. He gets called up and gets penciled into the 4th line center role and his offense seemingly dried up. I don't want that to happen to Amadio.

Shore didnt get stymied 45, he was always destined to be a 4C with occasional 3C duties whereas Amadio is our future 3C with 2C potential. As for tough minutes, well the kid is pretty damn good defensively and the one gripe we all had were his FO's but he's winning those! Amadio's offense will be a results of the talent around him and at last check its likely to be Kempe and Gaborik at his wings so i think he'll be ok....

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[Frolov 6'3]

yes a thing I also never understood. Shore was a scoring center in the AHL at age 21 or so and his offense is completely gone in the NHL.

 

[kings11]

How do you figure? Shore scored 60 points in his last season in the AHL in 57 games, regular season and playoffs combined. He gets called up and gets penciled into the 4th line center role and his offense seemingly dried up. I don't want that to happen to Amadio.
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I know what he did that season 45, it was completely unexpected but awesome at the same time. He was never known as a goal scorer but rather a defensively responsible player with limited offensive upside and he's lived up to that assessment. Amadio on the other hand was completely overlooked/underrated come draft time, he is a better overall prospect than Shore ever was and has a much higher upside. MA, also did more his 1st season in Ontario than NS did in Manchester and when you throw in the talent on that '14-'15 team compared to what Ontario had last season you would have to agreee that Amadio's debut was much more impressive and did more on a much less talented team..

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Shore wasn't put in a position to develop offensively at the NHL level, plain and simple. And that's ok to some degree,t he road to the NHL is littered with lower-league high-scorers. Shore has always been a heady player but much like Lewis he doesn't have an above-average shot at the NHL level. They MAY have developed more on the offensive side if they were put in the top-six permanently but no team with either guy permanently in a scoring role is going to go anywhere. That doesn't mean they're bad, they're just not upper-echelon offensive talent. I'm a little miffed he hasn't done more as a depth scorer but that's also because he constantly rotates linemates--andreoff is utterly worthless. We saw what all three guys could do when the 'fourth' line was Clifford-Shore-Lewis. That's the PERFECT role for Shore and why he will be an NHLer for a long time. But he's miscast above.

I think it's fair to be concerned for Amadio's offensive development for similar reasons, they kinda look like similar players, but Amadio's done more with less historically, so it's important to see how he does in the pros and with 'scoring' linemates instead of depth guys.

 

[kings11]

Shore wasn't put in a position to develop offensively at the NHL level, plain and simple. And that's ok to some degree,t he road to the NHL is littered with lower-league high-scorers. Shore has always been a heady player but much like Lewis he doesn't have an above-average shot at the NHL level. They MAY have developed more on the offensive side if they were put in the top-six permanently but no team with either guy permanently in a scoring role is going to go anywhere. That doesn't mean they're bad, they're just not upper-echelon offensive talent. I'm a little miffed he hasn't done more as a depth scorer but that's also because he constantly rotates linemates--andreoff is utterly worthless. We saw what all three guys could do when the 'fourth' line was Clifford-Shore-Lewis. That's the PERFECT role for Shore and why he will be an NHLer for a long time. But he's miscast above.

I think it's fair to be concerned for Amadio's offensive development for similar reasons, they kinda look like similar players, but Amadio's done more with less historically, so it's important to see how he does in the pros and with 'scoring' linemates instead of depth guys.

I think Amadio will eventually find himself on that 3rd line with Kempe and Gaborik as his wingers, which will allow him to be much more successful..

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Please provide one source. Any source aside from Kings fan speculstion, stating that Vilardi fell due to health.

Even the Kings staff bring up his skating at the time he's drafted.



http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/06/23/mark-yannetti-scouting-gabriel-vilardi-skill-set/



http://lakingsinsider.com/2017/06/23/vilardi-talks-getting-drafted-futa-describes-skill-set/

Now do you think his skating keeps being brought up because scouting reports were focused on... his health and durability?

I'm confounded how this is still an ongoing narrative, especislly given that he is cleared to skate.

It's an ongoing narrative cause the kid has barely been healthy for a meal since he was drafted.

I hope he gets healthy and develops into the player you think he can be. I really do. He obviously has the skill. But I've seen too many high end prospects inevitably play out a short career in Europe because of constant injury issues. It happens literally every year with alleged top end guys. I don't know why you're so offended by this fact.

I've adopted a wait and see approach with Vilardi. If that offends you, I'm sorry.

 

[kings11]

It's an ongoing narrative cause the kid has barely been healthy for a meal since he was drafted.

I hope he gets healthy and develops into the player you think he can be. I really do. He obviously has the skill. But I've seen too many high end prospects inevitably play out a short career in Europe because of constant injury issues. It happens literally every year with alleged top end guys. I don't know why you're so offended by this fact.

I've adopted a wait and see approach with Vilardi. If that offends you, I'm sorry.

The kid had multiple injuries in 1 season and now he's injury prone? seriously dude GTFO with that crap. Keep in mind that even with those injuries he had one of if not the best season of any draft eligible player... Nolan Patrick has had injuries the last few seasons and now in Philly, now that can be called injury prone buddy .. yet he still went #2OA...

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Lol, that's fine. But I do think it's reasonable to have serious doubts about Vilardi's health. There's a reason he fell to 11th in the draft.

I think I’m in the same boat. For me, Vilardi kind of just doesn’t exist until he does.

 

[King'sPawn]

It's an ongoing narrative cause the kid has barely been healthy for a meal since he was drafted.

I hope he gets healthy and develops into the player you think he can be. I really do. He obviously has the skill. But I've seen too many high end prospects inevitably play out a short career in Europe because of constant injury issues. It happens literally every year with alleged top end guys. I don't know why you're so offended by this fact.

I've adopted a wait and see approach with Vilardi. If that offends you, I'm sorry.

It doesn't offend me. But you are making a judgment based on four months and saying that's why he fell instead of taking into consideration the years of scouting leading to a player being drafted.

It just doesn't register as a reasonable argument.

 

[Reaper45]

I just don't want Villardi to end up like Scott Barney.

 

[KingsOfCali25]

Lol, that's fine. But I do think it's reasonable to have serious doubts about Vilardi's health. There's a reason he fell to 11th in the draft.

Most scouts said Vilardi dropped because he was a bad skater; kind of why Toffoli went 2nd round.

 

[ShattStar03]

The kid had multiple injuries in 1 season and now he's injury prone? seriously dude GTFO with that crap. Keep in mind that even with those injuries he had one of if not the best season of any draft eligible player... Nolan Patrick has had injuries the last few seasons and now in Philly, now that can be called injury prone buddy .. yet he still went #2OA...

I remember when the Kings traded for Justin Williams everyone thought he was injury prone because we traded for him when he was injured, then he breaks his ankle later the following season. He turned out alright, sometimes players go through rough patches were they get a few injuries. Doesn’t mean they’re injury prone.. NOW Gaborik on the other hand..

 

[kings11]

I remember when the Kings traded for Justin Williams everyone thought he was injury prone because we traded for him when he was injured, then he breaks his ankle later the following season. He turned out alright, sometimes players go through rough patches were they get a few injuries. Doesn’t mean they’re injury prone.. NOW Gaborik on the other hand..

Maybe with a more open, attacking offense that isn't so punishing he will actually stay healthy.. coming back on that 3rd line and teaming up with Kempe is sure to help right??

 

[TwzKing]

Maybe with a more open, attacking offense that isn't so punishing he will actually stay healthy.. coming back on that 3rd line and teaming up with Kempe is sure to help right??

Hasn't gaborik always played on the defense firsr shot block, body on the line systems? Maybe your on to something here.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/kings/la-sp-kings-elliott-20171029-story.html

Asked whether everything he hoped for had come to pass, Blake made an interesting distinction between hoping key players would revive — which implies wishing and emotion — and expecting they’d rebound based on their history, age, and his knowledge of their character. Blake knows them well. He played alongside Kopitar, Brown, Michael Cammalleri and Jonathan Quick in 2007-08 as he was nearing the end of his Hall of Fame career, and he rekindled those relationships when he became the club’s assistant GM. He saw they still wanted to win but hadn’t been given the optimum tools or setting the last few seasons. Blake provided new tools and a new framework and anticipated they’d succeed.

“I’m not sure we hoped our veterans would bounce back. I think we expected them to, in the aspect that they’re tremendous players and they don’t just fall off,” Blake said in a phone interview before Kopitar set up Tyler Toffoli for the winner with .4 of a second left in overtime at Boston on Saturday. “In our discussions through the summer we fully expected Kopitar and Toffoli and a healthy Jon Quick, and we expect Drew to be the best defenseman in the league continuously and we expect Jake Muzzin and Alec Martinez and Brown to be producers on our team. I wouldn’t use the word hope. I expected that.”

By extension, Blake hasn’t been shocked by the early success. “I think if you look at the core or the base of this team, they got two championships at a pretty young age, with Kopitar, Quick, Doughty, Martinez, Muzzin,” Blake said, adding Toffoli and Tanner Pearson to the list. “They’ve been champions and they understand it, and usually those guys carry teams.”