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2017-18 Around the League Thread - Part III
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LickTheEnvelope
Weird time to be a Canucks fan 2024
I noticed Debrincat had a hat-trick tonight and is now at 10 goals, 17 points on the year. Pretty solid for a 5'7 dude.
DL44
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Teams have no depth....
Outside the top 2-3 teams for forwards and for D, there is a serious lack of depth in this league.
Outside the top 2-3 teams for forwards and for D, there is a serious lack of depth in this league.
Bleach Clean
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Can't decide which was the worst Benning trade: Kesler trade, McCann trade or the Forsling trade... Just outright stupidity on the part of the GM.
Got to go with Kesler but it’s a tough choice to make.
I think Kesler would’ve given us the greater return. Better than what Forsling or McCann pan out to be.
I don't care about the Kesler trade much. Overall it was sub-par, partly due to Kesler's extremely limited list. A GM like Yzerman would've killed the trade, of course.
The other two were borderline treason against the Canucks organization.
Yeah, the Kesler trade is the biggest whiff there IMO. What makes it so bad is just the type of assets we tried to get.
The Forsling trade was bad, but at least you can make sense of it.
The McCann trade was also dreadful I really didn't get it. f*** it may have been the worst... but the Kesler trade impacts us more.
The Forsling trade was bad, but at least you can make sense of it.
The McCann trade was also dreadful I really didn't get it. f*** it may have been the worst... but the Kesler trade impacts us more.
Addison Rae
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Most Chicago fans say he's been at worst their second best defender this season.
stampedingviking
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2014 draft? You must have really hated every other gm we have as well. Forsling trade is worst as Clendening was a very borderline player though everyone ignores he was drafted by Benning it would be sad if Forslings career was similar to Juloevi's. may get something back for Guddy so not as bad, also some credit for picking McCann but still bad. Kesler was a shell of his old shelf when traded only scored with twins last year they were awful with him. Benning mistakes mostly tied to trying to get this team less soft. We are still soft so it has largely failed.
Melvin
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McCann trade was the worst.
The kesler trade was a missed opportunity to fill our needs, but it was actually okay value wise. You can't fault the initial trade because of the two stupid trades that followed it. Bonino was a good, cheap stopgap for Horvat, McCann a top prospect and we should have just let sbisa walk at the end of the year. Not a great trade but I could have lived with that.
Forsling for clendening was just a completely unforced error where we stupidly gave up a prospect that was on track for total junk, but it wasn't as bad as McCann, where we gave up a prospect on track AND a high pick for similar junk.
I honestly might take clendening over gudbranson. Tough call.
crazychimp
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I Think I'd have to go with the Forsling trade, it's harder to develop defenseman than forwards, there's more McCann's out there than there are Forsling's. Man to think we could have had Forsling and McCann on this team makes my heart hurt. I think ownership had a lot of influence on those trades though, when Benning first got started they wanted to be a playoff team and Benning was trying to patch up an already sinking ship. But hey the cupboards are filling up and we have a lot to look forward to which eases the pain.
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I have never been a fan of Mike Ribeiro the player....but jeez,you hate to see a player fall through the cracks..
Ex-Hab Mike Ribeiro arrested for trespassing in Miami Beach
Ex-Hab Mike Ribeiro arrested for trespassing in Miami Beach
m9
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Context is key for the Forsling trade - the team ran into injury issues and was competing for a playoff spot. They needed blueline depth. Giving up a middle prospect or mid-round draft pick is perfectly reasonable in that scenario for a team fighting for the division/playoff spot.
Kesler deal obviously had it's circumstances as well that made it all tough trade.
That leaves the Gudbranson deal - clearly the worst as the circumstances didn't call for it. An unforced error as opposed to to the other ones.
Kesler deal obviously had it's circumstances as well that made it all tough trade.
That leaves the Gudbranson deal - clearly the worst as the circumstances didn't call for it. An unforced error as opposed to to the other ones.
OK but it is arguable that Forsling should have been thought of as only a middle prospect at that point. The other issue is the target in that trade was all wrong. I can maybe give the thought process a pass but the player evaluation makes the deal just awful. The acquisition played a whopping 17 regular season games and 0 playoff games for the team. It was apparent from theh get go he wasn't a NHL regular so how the heck did they not figure that out before the trade?
They gave up a good asset for basically 17 games of a crap D-man. I'll put it into perspective...Clendenning has played 82 underwhelming games in the NHL since the trade for 5 different teams. The 18 year old he was traded for has now played 58 NHL games over the last 14 months and is regularly seeing nearly 20 minutes (or more!) a night. They traded a guy who at 21 is playing top 4 minutes and doing so quite well...for Clendenning. That is a major franchise set back.
Kesler was a bad deal for obvious reasons and while a difficult situation benning never tried to gain any leverage. He gave the Kesler camp all the power and still ended up with less than he should have gotten in those circumstances.
Gudbranson is the worst deal but the others are also terrible ones. Man having McCann and Boeser up front with the shots they possess would be nice moving forward I think.
They gave up a good asset for basically 17 games of a crap D-man. I'll put it into perspective...Clendenning has played 82 underwhelming games in the NHL since the trade for 5 different teams. The 18 year old he was traded for has now played 58 NHL games over the last 14 months and is regularly seeing nearly 20 minutes (or more!) a night. They traded a guy who at 21 is playing top 4 minutes and doing so quite well...for Clendenning. That is a major franchise set back.
Kesler was a bad deal for obvious reasons and while a difficult situation benning never tried to gain any leverage. He gave the Kesler camp all the power and still ended up with less than he should have gotten in those circumstances.
Gudbranson is the worst deal but the others are also terrible ones. Man having McCann and Boeser up front with the shots they possess would be nice moving forward I think.
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Seems like everyone forgets about Sanguinetti when talking about the Forsling trade.
The Canucks had one of the best AHL defencemen in Sanguinetti at the time of the trade. Instead of giving Sanguinetti even a one game trial, the Canucks threw away one of their top prospects for another AHL defencemen. Sanguinetti doesn't have Clendening's skating issues either.
Forsling wasn't a middle prospect or equivalent to a mid round pick at the time of the trade. Only Hedman and Larsson had played more minutes as 18 year old defencemen in the SHL. Plus he did pretty well in the WJC.
They were talking on the Sportsnet Radio this morning about the potential for the Canucks to sign Tavares this summer. Talk about unrealistic.
If Tavares decides to become a UFA it will be because he wants to win NOW. He (apparently) loves NYC and has be loyal to and patient with the Islanders as they try to build a team around him. So if he leaves it will be because his patience is waning. So why would he go to a team that is even further from being competitive than the Islander? I guess you could question of the Islanders without Tavares are worse than the Canucks, but from the perspective of Tavares - it would be a massive sell job based on the potential of guys like Boeser, Pettersson, Stecher and Juolevi becoming supporting stars.
Secondly - the Canucks could not afford Tavares. Eriksson's contract is large, unmovable and extends through 2022. Sutter and Gagner would also be difficult to move without retaining salary. We also have the pending threat of Luongo's cap recapture penalty - which could be as high as $8.5M. We also have RFA contracts for Baertschi, Boeser, Stecher, Hutton and Del Zotto within the next few years. We would have to sacrifice some of these to fit under the cap - but then where is the promise of the above sell job?
We have got this type of crap from the Toronto media for years as they imagine and re-imagine Stamkos, Duchene, Crosby, etc. all coming to TO.
If Tavares decides to become a UFA it will be because he wants to win NOW. He (apparently) loves NYC and has be loyal to and patient with the Islanders as they try to build a team around him. So if he leaves it will be because his patience is waning. So why would he go to a team that is even further from being competitive than the Islander? I guess you could question of the Islanders without Tavares are worse than the Canucks, but from the perspective of Tavares - it would be a massive sell job based on the potential of guys like Boeser, Pettersson, Stecher and Juolevi becoming supporting stars.
Secondly - the Canucks could not afford Tavares. Eriksson's contract is large, unmovable and extends through 2022. Sutter and Gagner would also be difficult to move without retaining salary. We also have the pending threat of Luongo's cap recapture penalty - which could be as high as $8.5M. We also have RFA contracts for Baertschi, Boeser, Stecher, Hutton and Del Zotto within the next few years. We would have to sacrifice some of these to fit under the cap - but then where is the promise of the above sell job?
We have got this type of crap from the Toronto media for years as they imagine and re-imagine Stamkos, Duchene, Crosby, etc. all coming to TO.
m9
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Obviously the trade didn't work, but a playoff contending team trading a draft pick or average prospect to help their current team is a defensible move in terms of process. Some of Benning's other moves when the team is (or should be) in a clear rebuild are worse.
You know what’s better than 12 points in Finland? 16 points in 23+1 period games on arguably the best team on the planet.
McCann again. f*** me Benning screwed this franchise over.
McCann again. f*** me Benning screwed this franchise over.
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