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2017-18 Around the League Thread - Part III

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Chayka floundering this year really has a certain crowd giddy about analytics failing but nobody was claiming he'd be batting 1.000 and winning multiple Cups. Rational people would only suggest that he'd over time become one of the better managers in the league. I'd trade our entire organization for theirs in a ****ing second, so that still holds.

Where being 26 years old has hurt Chayka is in the relationship/management side of things. Tocchet looks like a poor hire - not surprisingly, hiring a coach cannot be done with statistics. That's where a Jim Rutherford, Lou Lam or similar "dinosaur" has an advantage through pure life experience.

Steve Yzerman getting to learn from a dinosaur in Holland has made him the best GM in the league. I have no doubt that someone like Kyle Dubas will become an elite GM once he takes the reins somewhere. Stats aren't everything, but you're a fool if you think that Ron Delorme style gut feel guys have a very long shelf life in the sport.
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Arizona also got really unlucky in the first 10 games this year when their new starting goalie got hurt and his backups proceeded to shit the bed to the tune of 0-9, ~.860.

Once Raantaa returned, things quickly stabilized and they're 4-5-2 in their last 11 games. Not a great team, but nowhere near as bad as when the first 10 games made it look.
 
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MS said:
Arizona also got really unlucky in the first 10 games this year when their new starting goalie got hurt and his backups proceeded to **** the bed to the tune of 0-9, ~.860.

Once Raantaa returned, things quickly stabilized and they're 4-5-2 in their last 11 games. Not a great team, but nowhere near as bad as when the first 10 games made it look.
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And with goaltending stabilized, their record is very similar to the Canucks last 10 games. The difference, no stupid Eriksson and Gagner contracts forcing useless veterans into the line up. They are getting ice time to under 23 players like Keller, Duclair, Domi, Fischer, Dvorak, Perlini (would also be Chychrun if not injured and Crouse also playing some games)
 
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Not that big of a surprise consider Stecher has been injured for a while
Other than him, no D really scores on the Canucks
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How about Engelland? Schmidt? Miller? Hunt? All have as many or more points than the top scoring canucks D-man.

Stecher when hurt had 1 point in 8 games...he'd need 6 in his 12 missed games to match the lowest scoring Knights D-man on that list....who has only played 12 games.
 
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MS said:
Arizona also got really unlucky in the first 10 games this year when their new starting goalie got hurt and his backups proceeded to **** the bed to the tune of 0-9, ~.860.

Once Raantaa returned, things quickly stabilized and they're 4-5-2 in their last 11 games. Not a great team, but nowhere near as bad as when the first 10 games made it look.
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Fair enough, but for a team that had playoff aspirations going into the season they're still a disappointment no matter how it's sliced. They just traded a 7th overall pick for a guy who hasn't lived up to the expectations.

However, guessing that unlike Brian Burke, Chayka will probably quickly resolve his goaltending going forward with Raanta and maybe a Chad Johnson type competent backup next year. Short of a Florida-like implosion, I wouldn't bet against them for very long.
 

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Kolden Bannaran said:
It is incredibly surprising.


Sbisa is awful, and Hutton should be out producing him handily.
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I can't for the life of me figure out why Hutton isn't producing more.

His transition game and zone exits have looked terrific and are easily the best on the team. He's getting scoring chances and his SOG totals are the highest of his career. And his on-ice shooting % is actually pretty good.

Everything I know about hockey tells me this guy should be scoring at a 25-35 point pace, but the points just aren't coming.
 

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People who think Gillis had it easy taking that core and elevating it to a contender should read this to see how easily it can go the other way.
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Yeah, it's not easy. At the same time it is pretty entertaining watching two abject morons who orchestrated one of the worst and faulty trades of the century ruin two teams on the west coast. How these dolts lucked their way to Stanley Cup is seriously amazing and should be go-to material for motivational speakers.

And oh, bold prediction time: Montreal and Edmonton will make a trade involving Puljujarvi and Pacioretty.


What comes to Arizona, in addition to the goalie fiasco they also got screwed by Stepan. He was acquired to be their ~55 point 1C, completely reasonable assumption given he's 27 and still should have multiple prime years remaining, but he completely mailed in the summer and looks terrible. In terrible shape and so slow. I can see how that happened, getting dealt from Rangers to Coyotes must sting, but it's very unprofessional and just a shitty thing to do. I'm not sure if a GM can see something like that coming. On paper that's a good deal.
 
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I can't for the life of me figure out why Hutton isn't producing more.

His transition game and zone exits have looked terrific and are easily the best on the team. He's getting scoring chances and his SOG totals are the highest of his career. And his on-ice shooting % is actually pretty good.

Everything I know about hockey tells me this guy should be scoring at a 25-35 point pace, but the points just aren't coming.
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it's a systemic issue affecting all our d. i think they have common weaknesses that make them worse than the sum of our parts.
part of it seems to be predictability. part of it is we have no point threat so other teams can play all our d the same way.
 
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Not a great start number wise for Duchene on the Sens. 5GP no points, -6. He is getting a lot of pucks on net (21).

Turris at a PPG with the Preds.

I still don't really understand this trade from the Sens perspective. For the Preds I get it. For the Avs I get it. For the Sens :huh:


^^ Reinhart...I carried him my keeper pool for a couple of years. I went to the Pens-Sabres pre-season game this year and dropped him he was so disappointing. Unless he's skating on the wing with a strong center like Eichel I think he'll struggle to put up points. Essentially he's a complimentary winger not a team leading center he was drafted as.
 
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Reinhart has always been less than he was made to be. Not improving whl numbers d plus 1 year was concerning. He is not a guy you trade for unless it is a Virtanen type trade. Even than how does he help this team? We have no shortage of soft slow skilled forwards. It makes for a soft slow team that is easy to play against. Which is exactly what the Canucks are right now.
 
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Well there’s 30 (now 31) teams and 27-28 are run by “old school” GMs who have been around for the entirety of the past decade vs 2-3 “analytics” GMs who have been on the scene for the last 3-4 years only.

Is it really surprising that the “old school” GMs have won all the cups? The odds are kinda in their favour here, no?
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It's not really about analytics for me. I think analytics - whether you call it big data, or business intelligence, or evidence based practice, or metrics, or key performance indicators, or sports analytics or w.h.y. are an essential part of modern management in just about every industry. Ignoring data seems to only work in politics. But at least in the case of Arizona, hire a GM who done something in his life more significant than a few years of junior hockey, an undergrad commerce / business degree and running a sports analytics blog for a few years. His lack of experience in basic things like contracts, negotiations, budgeting (10's to 100's of million dollar budgets), HR/performance management, player development, scouting, coaching, risk management, etc., etc., etc., are gaping holes that can be filled with skilled hires, but this usually only works when the guy at the top is a genius in a really core area like leadership / vision or has deep knowledge of the business operationally. Anaytics are important, but are a technical skill that is better hired than placed in leadership. Little wonder hes' floundering.
 
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Such a light night of games..
Don't remember such a light night of games on a Tuesday.

Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays are supposed to be the heavy 7+ game nights.

I have a routine damn it!

Edit... Just looked at the week's schedule - American Thanksgiving is the reason... duh...

15 games tomorrow.
ZERO on Thursday (ATG)
but 14 on Friday, 11 on Saturday..
 
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