2017-18 Around the League Thread - Part III

[Melvin]

Season Age Lg GP G A PTS +/-
2002-03 20 NHL 28 5 3 8 -4
2003-04 21 NHL 31 9 6 15 1
2005-06 23 NHL 80 26 29 55 -14
2006-07 24 NHL 81 34 46 80 5
2007-08 25 NHL 63 19 28 47 -16
2008-09 26 NHL 81 39 43 82 -2
2009-10 27 NHL 65 26 24 50 7
2010-11 28 NHL 67 19 28 47 2
Career NHL 856 290 330 620 -50

If you'd given MYSTERY PLAYER B the Atkinson contract, right now you'd still be on the hook for a huge cap hit to the end of this season and he'd have given you this production:

Season Age Lg GP G A PTS +/-
2011-12 29 NHL 66 20 21 41 -10
2012-13 30 NHL 44 13 19 32 -15
2013-14 31 NHL 63 26 19 45 -13
2014-15 32 NHL 68 27 15 42 2
2015-16 33 NHL 42 14 24 38 15
2016-17 34 NHL 61 10 21 31 -9
2017-18 35 NHL 16 3 4 7 1
Career NHL 856 290 330 620 -50

Let's see...

Cap is at 75M right now and contract kicks in for next season, let's say 5.8M will be roughly 7.5% of next year's cap.

In 2011-12 the cap was at 64.3M, so a similar cap hit would have been 4.8M.

The player in question was actually making 6M at the time and signed for 25/5 after the 2013-14 season. So locking in those seven years at 4.8M actually would have been prudent for the team in this hypothetical. Additionally, the buyout would have been less as this year @ 4.8M would have represented the final year of the deal instead of it being 2 more seasons @ 5M.

Going back to Atkinson, if he produces through age 33 the way this player did, then 5.8M will be a relative bargain, and paying for 2 more seasons is just the cost of doing business.

 

[MS]

That Atkinson contract...his stat line to date:

Season Age Tm Lg GP G A PTS +/-
2011-12 22 CBJ NHL 27 7 7 14 1
2012-13 23 CBJ NHL 35 9 9 18 9
2013-14 24 CBJ NHL 79 21 19 40 -4
2014-15 25 CBJ NHL 78 22 18 40 -2
2015-16 26 CBJ NHL 81 27 26 53 -8
2016-17 27 CBJ NHL 82 35 27 62 13
2017-18 28 CBJ NHL 15 4 2 6 -1
Career NHL 397 125 108 233 8

Looks very similar to another undersized sniper's numbers through the same age:

Season Age Lg GP G A PTS +/-
2002-03 20 NHL 28 5 3 8 -4
2003-04 21 NHL 31 9 6 15 1
2005-06 23 NHL 80 26 29 55 -14
2006-07 24 NHL 81 34 46 80 5
2007-08 25 NHL 63 19 28 47 -16
2008-09 26 NHL 81 39 43 82 -2
2009-10 27 NHL 65 26 24 50 7
2010-11 28 NHL 67 19 28 47 2
Career NHL 856 290 330 620 -50

If you'd given MYSTERY PLAYER B the Atkinson contract, right now you'd still be on the hook for a huge cap hit to the end of this season and he'd have given you this production:

Season Age Lg GP G A PTS +/-
2011-12 29 NHL 66 20 21 41 -10
2012-13 30 NHL 44 13 19 32 -15
2013-14 31 NHL 63 26 19 45 -13
2014-15 32 NHL 68 27 15 42 2
2015-16 33 NHL 42 14 24 38 15
2016-17 34 NHL 61 10 21 31 -9
2017-18 35 NHL 16 3 4 7 1
Career NHL 856 290 330 620 -50

Oof.

Mystery player is left as an exercise to the reader

To be fair, Cammalleri's production from 2011-2016 was generally excellent, he was just constantly hurt. If his numbers looked like this, that would have been a pretty great contract:

11-12 82 25-25-50
12-13 82 24-35-59
13-14 82 34-25-59
14-15 82 32-18-50
15-16 82 27-47-74

He basically averaged 30 goals/82 GP for the first 5 years of that theoretical contract. If Atkinson can stay relatively healthy and duplicate that before falling off in the last two years, Columbus isn't complaining. Whether he's likely to do that is another matter, however.

 

[WTG]

Something very satisfying about seeing bad GMs being exposed.

Larsen for Hall
Eberle for Strome
Term + Cash for Lucic
Russell Contract

The last one I love, because it was one where the "eye-test" crowd loved the guy, but the analytics crowd hated. And boy oh boy, look who turned out to be right about that one. What a surprise.

Reminds me of Sutter for Bonino. Although you still see some mad lads defending that atrocity of a trade.

 

[Nuckles]

Something very satisfying about seeing bad GMs being exposed.

Larsen for Hall
Eberle for Strome
Term + Cash for Lucic
Russell Contract

The last one I love, because it was one where the "eye-test" crowd loved the guy, but the analytics crowd hated. And boy oh boy, look who turned out to be right about that one. What a surprise.

Reminds me of Sutter for Bonino. Although you still see some mad lads defending that atrocity of a trade.

Bruh, 15th overall (Barzal) + 33rd overall for Griffin freakin Reinhart. How could you forget that?

 

[valkynax]

Bruh, 15th overall (Barzal) + 33rd overall for Griffin freakin Reinhart. How could you forget that?

And didn't Reinhart get picked by Vegas so basically it's more like Barzal + 33rd for a whisper of good luck.

 

[WTG]

Bruh, 15th overall (Barzal) + 33rd overall for Griffin freakin Reinhart. How could you forget that?

Oh shoot, I forgot about that!

Oh geez, Benning might actually be a better GM then Chia, imagine having them both as managers. How the hell did they stumble into a Stanley Cup. There needs to be a documentary made about this. "How 2 people who knew nothing about hockey, won it all!"

 

[Blueangel1891]

Oh shoot, I forgot about that!

Oh geez, Benning might actually be a better GM then Chia, imagine having them both as managers. How the hell did they stumble into a Stanley Cup. There needs to be a documentary made about this. "How 2 people who knew nothing about hockey, won it all!"

Luck, pure and simple luck. Against an injured team with a mediocre goalie playing like Roy for 7 games

 

[Melvin]

Oh shoot, I forgot about that!

Oh geez, Benning might actually be a better GM then Chia, imagine having them both as managers. How the hell did they stumble into a Stanley Cup. There needs to be a documentary made about this. "How 2 people who knew nothing about hockey, won it all!"

Not much of a story. From 2003-2006 the Bruins drafted Bergeron, Krejci, Kessel, Lucic and Marchand, plus a few other solid, lesser players. All of these guys were Jeff Gorton picks. Chia would fire Gorton in advance of the 2007 draft and replace him with Benning.

Then a literal miracle happened, when their journeyman 33 year old goaltender whom the previous regime had plucked off waivers randomly became the greatest goalie on the planet. They returned to the playoffs and didn't look back.

At that point, those two ding dongs could f*** things up as much as they wanted (and they did; ) as long as they had their Vezina goalie and that brilliant under-25 core they were set.

Edited the last part out as it ended up being incorrect (see below psot by Tryforthekingdom)

 

[Caspian]

Mystery player is left as an exercise to the reader

without looking it up I know its mike cammalleri

 

[krutovsdonut]

Something very satisfying about seeing bad GMs being exposed.

Larsen for Hall
Eberle for Strome
Term + Cash for Lucic
Russell Contract

The last one I love, because it was one where the "eye-test" crowd loved the guy, but the analytics crowd hated. And boy oh boy, look who turned out to be right about that one. What a surprise.

Reminds me of Sutter for Bonino. Although you still see some mad lads defending that atrocity of a trade.

it was not just the analytics crowd who thought signing russell was weird.

broewerwalkingrussel.gif

 

[krutovsdonut]

does anyone remember what the sonny milano trade that got tweeted and then didn't happen in the 2016 draft?

i had a dream last night we traded for him.

 

[Tryforthekingdom]

I would still say that Chia is leaps and bounds better than Benning though. He had a good first off-season with the Bruins, signing Chara and Savard to excellent deals.

Chara and Savard were signed by Gorton as well while he was still interim GM. Probably one of the best summers ever by a GM. Signed Chara and Savard, traded Raycroft for Rask, and drafted Kessel, Lucic , and Marchand.

 

[Melvin]

Chara and Savard were signed by Gorton as well while he was still interim GM. Probably one of the best summers ever by a GM. Signed Chara and Savard, traded Raycroft for Rask, and drafted Kessel, Lucic , and Marchand.

Oh wow, you are correct. I have seen so many reports of it being otherwise that I never questioned it.

Gorton would be fired the next year and Benning promoted to AGM. LMAO.

 

[Catamarca Livin]

Seems like all the Bad gm's are the cup winners in the last 10 years. Which of the new age gm's have won? Do not think Jimmy Rutherford fits that mold. Stan Bowman? Dean Lombardi? Chia? Fred Shero Burke. Maybe Holland from 2008. Seems more like the old boyz club. Maybe hope for us!

 

[CanaFan]

Seems like all the Bad gm's are the cup winners in the last 10 years. Which of the new age gm's have won? Do not think Jimmy Rutherford fits that mold. Stan Bowman? Dean Lombardi? Chia? Fred Shero Burke. Maybe Holland from 2008. Seems more like the old boyz club. Maybe hope for us!

Which GMs do you consider “new age”? How long have they been around?

I read somewhere that all of the cup winning goalies in the 40’s and 50’s played with no masks. Maybe we should try that?

 

[Josepho]

Rutherford had an atrocious tenure in Carolina but he very much evolved into a "new school GM" in the 2015-2016 season.

Seems to have taken a step in the other direction with that godawful Reaves trade though

 

[canucksfan]

Without McDavid the Oilers would be the worst team in the league now.

It will be interesting to see what they do.

 

[LickTheEnvelope]

I can't believe Talbot is still sporting a .911 save % this year. Guy has been brutal.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

Habs getting embarrassed by "Canada's Team"...gross

Kypreous (take his opinion for what its worth)..saying that Habs ownership now looking towards a retool/rebuild....

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Habs getting embarrassed by "Canada's Team"...gross

Kypreous (take his opinion for what its worth)..saying that Habs ownership now looking towards a retool/rebuild....

Oh yeah
Rebuild with that Price's contract is gonna work out perfectly

 

[Mofletz]

Forsling player of the game for the Blackhawks against the pens...

 

[stampedingviking]

Without McDavid the Oilers would be the worst team in the league now.

It will be interesting to see what they do.

Found a channel on TV in the UK showing NHL and SHL games (Vaxjo on Tuesday), Stars v Oilers was on. Missed the first period but holy hell! McJesus and Drai were invisible, the only Oilers forward looking capable of generating offence was RNH.

 

[EpochLink]

Didn't someone on the main boards make a thread proclaiming the Oilers were 'back'?
Last year was low expectations, this year they were dubbed the team in the Western Conference.
Talbot looks bad, defense is bad, the top six is too inconsistent.

 

[Breakers]

Montreal CAN'T rebuild.

Claude Julien is a Veteran coach, he doesn't like rookies.
They can't fire him also because he is still owed $25 Million

 

[EpochLink]

Montreal CAN'T rebuild.

Claude Julien is a Veteran coach, he doesn't like rookies.
They can't fire him also because he is still owed $25 Million

They won't rebuild, they will retool.
But to be honest, their drafting in recent years has been meh at best.
Plus you have that Price contract for the next 10 years.