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Duchene is probably not getting traded. Kinda respect Sakic for simply saying "nope" to a trade demand.
 
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Yakupov has that spark back in his game. He has his limitations, but if deployed properly he can use his shot and speed effectively. Too bad Eakins broke him during his time here.
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Nelson actually had Yak back on track and playing with some mojo again. Unfortunately, McLellan doesn't know how to get offence out of players that aren't basically coach-proof and able to produce under any circumstance, so...oh well.
 
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oobga said:
Nelson actually had Yak back on track and playing with some mojo again. Unfortunately, McLellan doesn't know how to get offence out of players that aren't basically coach-proof and able to produce under any circumstance, so...oh well.
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I think Yakupov wanted out, regardless. It's also a case of a player needing to hear the same message from numerous coaches before the message sinks in (e.g. Cogliano accepting the role as a checking winger).
 
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I think Yakupov wanted out, regardless. It's also a case of a player needing to hear the same message from numerous coaches before the message sinks in (e.g. Cogliano accepting the role as a checking winger).
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He very much want in after that period of time with Nelson. He told Larionov to just do whatever it took to sign a 2 year deal.

It is what it is. There is a pool of talent in the NHL that we just can't have here because McLellan has his biases of how players should play/act. He wants nothing to do with nurturing and babysitting guys like Yak with fragile confidence. He wants his self sufficient finish products that he can hammer the finer defensive details into. And his elite talents can tip the balance while everyone else tries to break even. Guys like Yak and Schultz are simply not welcome. Kind of unfortunate, because Schultz ended up being a guy that helped finally tipped the balance for the Pens to overcome a near decade of disappointment, but it is what it is, and we can still be a good team with the guys we have. Maybe one day we need to find our Sullivan.
 
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oobga said:
He very much want in after that period of time with Nelson. He told Larionov to just do whatever it took to sign a 2 year deal.

It is what it is. There is a pool of talent in the NHL that we just can't have here because McLellan has his biases of how players should play/act. He wants nothing to do with nurturing and babysitting guys like Yak with fragile confidence. He wants his self sufficient finish products that he can hammer the finer defensive details into. And his elite talents can tip the balance while everyone else tries to break even. Guys like Yak and Schultz are simply not welcome. Kind of unfortunate, because Schultz ended up being a guy that helped finally tipped the balance for the Pens to overcome a near decade of disappointment, but it is what it is. Maybe one day we need to find our Sullivan.
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The sad thing is... Current Yak and Schultz are exactly what we need.
 
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Happy to see Yak happy and thriving. I was one of the few that saw him breaking out in an environment not unlike the one in Colorado. Disappointed that we could definitely use a cheap, young scoring RWer at the moment. Can't win them all.
 
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Happy to see Yak happy and thriving. I was one of the few that saw him breaking out in an environment not unlike the one in Colorado. Disappointed that we could definitely use a cheap, young scoring RWer at the moment. Can't win them all.
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Yak, Schultz, Petry, Dubnyk.

There is something about this place that seems to drag some players down and then they become literally what we hoped when they left.
 
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Yak, Schultz, Petry, Dubnyk.

There is something about this place that seems to drag some players down and then they become literally what we hoped when they left.
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I would make Petry an exception in that list. Schultz/Yak/Dubs all left here with zero confidence, and only Schultz was able to turn it around in a hurry, thanks to joining an awesome team with great leadership/coaching. Petry though, was the same for us as he is for Montreal. Just, we were putting all the defensive responsibility on his back here on a terrible team with a terrible coach and terrible goaltending in his last 1.5 years here. He still did his job as well as he could every night though. Still got to laugh at MacT's interview about how he didn't want to give Petry the "$4M price point" because you can't have too many guys around that 4M mark! Only guys like Nikitin can get that kinda money! How sweet would a long term deal for Petry around 4M look right now?
 
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CycloneSweep said:
Yak, Schultz, Petry, Dubnyk.

There is something about this place that seems to drag some players down and then they become literally what we hoped when they left.
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We're not unlike a lot of organisations. Some players simply don't fit the culture, the environment, the system. It happens. Unfortunately we had a longer than normal period where we were a team that had a toxic culture, environment, system and it depleted the value of significant number of currently contributing players. Thems the breaks.
 

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Hindsight can make teams look dumb.

Schultz, Yakupov, Dubnyk and Petry for Matt Hendricks, Pochiro 2016 3rd (Filip Berglund), 2017 3rd, 2015 2nd, 2015 4th (Caleb Jones)

Doesn't really look great but I bet you could do that a lot for other teams.

Fun fact I found in looking that up. The picks we got for Petry... One went to get us Talbot, the other as it said above was Caleb Jones.
 
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belair said:
We're not unlike a lot of organisations. Some players simply don't fit the culture, the environment, the system. It happens. Unfortunately we had a longer than normal period where we were a team that had a toxic culture, environment, system and it depleted the value of significant number of currently contributing players. Thems the breaks.
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I think treating them all like they were garbage might be a little unique to the Oilers. MacT enjoyed bashing Dubs and basically blamed the whole failed 13/14 season on him. No way it was gods gift to coaching Eakins and his swarm, along with the terrible team with zero defensive depth.

We turned Yak into a worthless player, and McLellan wasn't shy about how much he disliked him, for whatever reason, maybe Larionov calling him every day trying to tell him how to use him :)

MacT treated Petry like a bum, saw no value in his RHD that we developed from the draft to becoming a legit top 4 D that was playing against top competition every night and holding his own. He preferred the Nikitin's and Fayne's the world.

And Schultz, McLellan probably has 3 or 4 interviews where he is bashing the heck out of Schultz. He hated him and wanted him out just as much as Schultz wanted out.
 
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Soundwave said:
Duchene is probably not getting traded. Kinda respect Sakic for simply saying "nope" to a trade demand.
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Trade demand? This isn't the case of a selfish player demanding a trade. This is the case of an idiot GM who has publicly been shopping a player for 2 years, refusing to budge on an insane price that no one is ever going to match and in the meantime jerking around with the career and future of one of the teams best players.

Sakic is a garbage GM who seems to lack the balls to make a Duchene trade happen.
 
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That top 5 D in Calgary has given up so many chances to LA tonight. Smith has been excellent.
 
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oobga said:
He very much want in after that period of time with Nelson. He told Larionov to just do whatever it took to sign a 2 year deal.

It is what it is. There is a pool of talent in the NHL that we just can't have here because McLellan has his biases of how players should play/act. He wants nothing to do with nurturing and babysitting guys like Yak with fragile confidence. He wants his self sufficient finish products that he can hammer the finer defensive details into. And his elite talents can tip the balance while everyone else tries to break even. Guys like Yak and Schultz are simply not welcome. Kind of unfortunate, because Schultz ended up being a guy that helped finally tipped the balance for the Pens to overcome a near decade of disappointment, but it is what it is, and we can still be a good team with the guys we have. Maybe one day we need to find our Sullivan.
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What is all this based on?

Schultz and Yakupov were already broken before Mclellan got here, don't see how it's his fault in any way whatsoever. Their fate as Oilers was already sealed unfortunately.
 
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