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World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team USA

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The Tyler Johnson and Justin Faulk snubs are awful to me. Still cheering for this team and North American secondly.
 
jasonfilatov said:
The Tyler Johnson and Justin Faulk snubs are awful to me. Still cheering for this team and North American secondly.
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Yeah, still incredible that Shattenkirk, Faulk, TJ weren't picked and Okposo to a lesser extent. Still gonna root for them but some of the snubs were crazy.
 
John Tortorella is saying he'll bench any player for the whole tournament if they don't stand during the national anthem,

http://www.cbssports.com/nhl/news/usa-coach-john-tortorella-says-hed-bench-player-for-sitting-during-anthem/

Although I understand his reasoning (his son is a currently deployed army ranger), they aren't likely to play anyone's anthem until all the games are over.

Also, I think it's sort of hypocritical of John Tortorella to expect his players to be respectful when he's easily the most disrespectful coach in the NHL today.
 
JTD said:
Yeah, still incredible that Shattenkirk, Faulk, TJ weren't picked and Okposo to a lesser extent. Still gonna root for them but some of the snubs were crazy.
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I would have made room for Faulk and Kessel, but I think the other exclusions can be rationalized.
 
Nordique said:
0 relevance to the flag and those that sacrifice for their country (like his son for example).
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It's called leading by example. If you don't behave in a respectful way, why should anyone listen to you if you tell them to be respectful? Also, if you weren't going to accept my answer, you shouldn't have asked such an insincere question.
 
Nordique said:
0 relevance to the flag and those that sacrifice for their country (like his son for example).
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Alright, that's one way to put it but isn't his son in the end just doing his job and getting paid for doing so?

In my opinion, players / people in general should have the right to protest in this manner. Of course, the coach has the right to play or not play whoever he likes but I don't really agree with using this as justification for doing so.
 
ijuka said:
Alright, that's one way to put it but isn't his son in the end just doing his job and getting paid for doing so?

In my opinion, players / people in general should have the right to protest in this manner. Of course, the coach has the right to play or not play whoever he likes but I don't really agree with using this as justification for doing so.
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Funny thing is that they won't play any of the anthems until the medal ceremony, so Tortorella won't have the opportunity to bench anyone for not standing.
 
ijuka said:
Alright, that's one way to put it but isn't his son in the end just doing his job and getting paid for doing so?

In my opinion, players / people in general should have the right to protest in this manner. Of course, the coach has the right to play or not play whoever he likes but I don't really agree with using this as justification for doing so.
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Weird because alot of American military guys are okay with kaper sitting. Protecting the first amendment and what not.
 
I have no problems with people not standing for the national anthem. I only do it as a social norm. I never stand for the anthem when I'm watching on television & I don't know anyone that does. This isn't because we hate America, just doesn't seem necessary. People are making way too big a deal about this. Seems like Colin Kaepernick gets criticized worse than many players in the NFL that actually victimize people.
 
Seanaconda said:
Weird because alot of American military guys are okay with kaper sitting. Protecting the first amendment and what not.
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Well yeah. It's to bring awareness to an issue with the country and it accomplishes that without hurting or oppressing anyone or causing anyone any harm. In my opinion, such protests should be encouraged, not suppressed. To me, it's more patriotic to truly care for your country than to close your eyes at injustice happening within it.

I guess this isn't really the right topic for this but his statement just ticks me the wrong way and seems very "holier than thou". To me, it shows that a person truly cares if he goes to the lengths to protest in this manner.
 
ijuka said:
Well yeah. It's to bring awareness to an issue with the country and it accomplishes that without hurting or oppressing anyone or causing anyone any harm. In my opinion, such protests should be encouraged, not suppressed. To me, it's more patriotic to truly care for your country than to close your eyes at injustice happening within it.

I guess this isn't really the right topic for this but his statement just ticks me the wrong way and seems very "holier than thou". To me, it shows that a person truly cares if he goes to the lengths to protest in this manner.
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It is very holier than thou, especially when you think about all the times Tortorella has thrown a water bottle at a fan, called players on the other team a bunch of whiners (that was rich coming from Torts), disrespected a reporter, or feuded with his own players, got suspended/fined etc etc

I'll admit what his son is doing is very brave & selfless, and I'll give Torts credit for being a good father that raised his son right, but as a coach, he has no credibility to preach respectful behavior.
 
DoobeeDoobeeDoo said:
It's called leading by example. If you don't behave in a respectful way, why should anyone listen to you if you tell them to be respectful? Also, if you weren't going to accept my answer, you shouldn't have asked such an insincere question.
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I don't have to accept your answer, and I was expecting a more substantive answer, but it seems you chimed in this topic to take a dig at Torts for perceived passed offenses based on his poor sportsmanship.

DoobeeDoobeeDoo said:
It is very holier than thou, especially when you think about all the times Tortorella has thrown a water bottle at a fan, called players on the other team a bunch of whiners (that was rich coming from Torts), disrespected a reporter, or feuded with his own players, got suspended/fined etc etc

I'll admit what his son is doing is very brave & selfless, and I'll give Torts credit for being a good father that raised his son right, but as a coach, he has no credibility to preach respectful behavior.
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You clearly have a bias against this coach.
 
Pavelski deserved that C! He will be great captain to team USA! It is bit weird though that Patrick Kane did get an A when Parise and McDonagh didn't get any letters. This is even weirder because USA's coach is Tortorella.
 
PariseNation said:
Torts has got to be trolling us with the Kane selection. Sends a really bad message imo. Just got a lot less excited. Go team NA!
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None of us are in the locker room maybe he showed he deserved it. People can grow up and he did just win the Hart
 
ijuka said:
Alright, that's one way to put it but isn't his son in the end just doing his job and getting paid for doing so?
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He is the son of a millionaire. He didn't become an Army Ranger because he needed to find a job. Pat Tillman didn't need a paycheck when he enlisted either.

It is sacrifice and it's why I stand, out of respect for men and women that have given their lives for our country and the ideals of freedom and liberty.
 
Nordique said:
I don't have to accept your answer, and I was expecting a more substantive answer, but it seems you chimed in this topic to take a dig at Torts for perceived passed offenses based on his poor sportsmanship.



You clearly have a bias against this coach.
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Nope, just thinks he needs to treat others with respect if he's going to expect others to respect him.
 
PariseNation said:
Torts has got to be trolling us with the Kane selection. Sends a really bad message imo. Just got a lot less excited. Go team NA!
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Team North America might be our best hope. I don't see Team USA being successful playing Tort hockey. Chances are that the players will tune out Torts just like the Rangers, Canucks, & Blue Jackets.
 
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