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It's not just this team. The 2016 U20 left really good, obvious choice, players off the roster. Burke insisting on Bobby Ryan, really bullied Poile, being off the 2014 US Olympic team.
It's the norm now.
World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team USA
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It's not just this team. The 2016 U20 left really good, obvious choice, players off the roster. Burke insisting on Bobby Ryan, really bullied Poile, being off the 2014 US Olympic team.
It's the norm now.
Feel bad for US Team. Torts coaching. No Faulk, Kessel or Johnson. Just terribad decisions. Is Jack Johnson going to see the ice?
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Hopefully Cory is 3rd string. Happy Andy and Kyle aren't going. Don't want to risk any injuries so close to the season in this joke novelty of a tournament
If memory serves, Burke is a dual citizen...so he might be Canada's secret weapon...
Somebody said ( paraphrasing ) that Kessel was the scariest guy, on Team USA, when we played them in Sochi...so true...He came close to scoring early in the game, and looked like a potential game breaker
No excuses for his exclusion...INCOMPETENCE...endofstory
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How wasn't he one of the first 16 named? I honestly didn't even know he wasn't on the team until today.
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The best players are usually able to fill roles as well.
Do they really need 4 of Backes/Callahan/Kesler/Dubinsky? They vary in terms of likability and skill - but they're all of the same type of player - and fill a very similar role.
BrokenFace
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Well if you Canadians were disappointed in the all USA playoffs this year, prepare to have your national pride restored by playing this USA team.
I love how the USA braintrust preaches that they don't want to build an all-star team because all-star teams don't work, yet they then build a team ideal for playing an 82 game season. Treating an international tournament like game 47 of the regular season is just as foolish as treating it like an all-star game. Timely scoring is so important in single-elimination rounds and the USA could actually have iced a roster with three very threatening lines plus some skillful d-men.
Oh well. I guess the lesson they learned from losing 1 - 0 to Canada in Sochi was "We gave up a goal? Unacceptable! We need to fix this defense!"
I love how the USA braintrust preaches that they don't want to build an all-star team because all-star teams don't work, yet they then build a team ideal for playing an 82 game season. Treating an international tournament like game 47 of the regular season is just as foolish as treating it like an all-star game. Timely scoring is so important in single-elimination rounds and the USA could actually have iced a roster with three very threatening lines plus some skillful d-men.
Oh well. I guess the lesson they learned from losing 1 - 0 to Canada in Sochi was "We gave up a goal? Unacceptable! We need to fix this defense!"
Lots of selections to second guess on the U.S. team, but Jack Johnson over Justin Faulk is sheer insanity.
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**** Burke. I don't want that clown near USA Hockey ever again.
Our federation is a joke.
The only thing they did right this time around was not hire Dan Bylsma to be the coach of our team.
Seriously. Why leave off one of our only two forwards who looked remotely dangerous against Canada?
Whoever said Lombardi is going with the most skilled players for this tournament better be eating his words right now.
Uncle Rotter
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Ziggy Stardust
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Seems like these selection committees are making a bigger deal of having a balance of left and right handed shots as opposed to selecting the best available players.
Guess we'll see how that pans out for Canada and the US.
I always love all the "hockey experts". This is a great team and I hope they will prove everyone wrong. It's going to be extremely tough and physical team, and I love it. If you are Sidney Crosby or Alex Ovechkin, who would you rather play against? Tyler Johnson or Ryan Callahan?
Of course I would select Kessel and Johnson. But I can understand why the USA Hockey didn't pick them. Making A TEAM is not just about having the best offensive players. You are all saying how dumb they are, in fact they know more about hockey than we all together.
Abdelkader, Wheeler, Backes, Kesler, Callahan, Van Riemsdyk, Dubinsky, Byfuglien...that could be the most physical team at the tournament.
Of course I would select Kessel and Johnson. But I can understand why the USA Hockey didn't pick them. Making A TEAM is not just about having the best offensive players. You are all saying how dumb they are, in fact they know more about hockey than we all together.
Abdelkader, Wheeler, Backes, Kesler, Callahan, Van Riemsdyk, Dubinsky, Byfuglien...that could be the most physical team at the tournament.
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Ziggy Stardust
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I feel like Dean Lombardi and the selection committee have spent the past few months watching video of the 1996 US team that won the World Cup.
https://www.hhof.com/htmlTimeCapsule/TeamRosterWCUP1996USA.shtml
Tkachuk-Weight-Hull
Smolinski-Modano-Amonte
LeClair-LaFontaine-Young
Deadmarsh-Otto-Guerin
Suter-Chelios
Leetch-K.Hatcher
D.Hatcher-Schneider
Richter-Hebert
Scratches:
McEachern-Konowalchuk-Rolston
Housley-Chambers
Carey
I'm going to take a stab at what the US lineup will look like:
Pacioretty-Pavelski-Kane
Parise-Stepan-Wheeler
van Riemsdyk-Kesler-Oshie
Dubinsky-Backes-Callahan
Abdelkader
Suter-Carlson
McDonagh-Byfuglien
J. Johnson-E.Johnson
Niskanen
Quick-Schneider
Bishop
https://www.hhof.com/htmlTimeCapsule/TeamRosterWCUP1996USA.shtml
Tkachuk-Weight-Hull
Smolinski-Modano-Amonte
LeClair-LaFontaine-Young
Deadmarsh-Otto-Guerin
Suter-Chelios
Leetch-K.Hatcher
D.Hatcher-Schneider
Richter-Hebert
Scratches:
McEachern-Konowalchuk-Rolston
Housley-Chambers
Carey
I'm going to take a stab at what the US lineup will look like:
Pacioretty-Pavelski-Kane
Parise-Stepan-Wheeler
van Riemsdyk-Kesler-Oshie
Dubinsky-Backes-Callahan
Abdelkader
Suter-Carlson
McDonagh-Byfuglien
J. Johnson-E.Johnson
Niskanen
Quick-Schneider
Bishop
William H Bonney
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Well, 8+ months later and the chickens have come home to roost. 6+ hours later and I'm still in shock. This tournament was already silly with the Team NA/Team Europe angle, and then USAH had to take the mockery one step further. This is the first time in my life where I've ever considered the thought of whether I should hope Team USA crashes and burns. The thought being that if it were to happen two things may come of it: 1) The NHL would abandon the stupid Team NA/Team Europe setup; 2) USAH would actually change as Johannson needs to go, and Burke/Lombardi/Holmgren/Tortorella are all tired choices - it's time for new minds.
The problem with that though is that hockey just doesn't matter enough in the USA to bring about real change. The boys club would circle the wagons, and dismiss the failings as slight miscalculations, subscribing to a notion like "we miscalculated how much we needed some more players like Orpik and Brown" and make Laviolette the next coach. Even Hockey Canada deals with this to an extent, but their rabid Hockey Culture demands results, so change eventually happens. That doesn't exist for us with hockey.
That doesn't mean this team can't or won't succeed, but even if they do, I'm not sure it's for the best long term. USAH doesn't have the foresight to anticipate and change with the game. They find success once with one formula and will stick with that formula indefinitely, all reason or results be damned. It's why they've again tried to replicate the 2010 Olympic squad makeup and why in the World Juniors they're still following the same layout as the 2010 squad.
I'm hopeful for a time when USAH is leaving off players like Kessel, Faulk, etc. because the depth of our program dictates those decisions, like is the case with Hockey Canada, but not because our management staff can't stop trying to recreate a team from 6 years ago.
Maybe we aren't giving the Team USA braintrust enough credit? Maybe they built this team with the intention of flaming out?
I mean Team USA was severely hurt by the addition of Team NA stealing some of their best players, significantly more so than Team Canada. Even with Kessel, T.Johnson, Faulk etc it still would not be likely to have a prayer of winning with this new status quo, but they could at least have had a better chance of putting in a nice respectable showing and maybe finishing somewhere near the top of the pack...which would have made it seem like nothing was wrong.
However, if instead the US subtly tanks and finishes at the bottom of the standings then people will likely notice...and Team USA officials can really point to it as evidence they are unable to compete with with their roster being crippled like this by Team NA stealing their top talent forcing the idea to maybe be re-evaluated before the next tournament?
Either that or it is a conspiracy by the WC to get more people to root for Team NA in their first year by making the US fans hate/embarrassed by their own team and want to watch/root for the Team NA young guns instead of our national team?
There is no other way to defend some of these roster decisions... Am I wrong that world officiating does not typically turn as much of a blind eye to the clutching, grabbing, and interfering that you can get away with in the NHL that is a massive part of some of these players games in order to compete with the actual star talents? A more physical team seems like you are just asking to be a significantly more penalized team. Something that screams bad idea when you look at the PP units that these other teams will be icing?
I mean Team USA was severely hurt by the addition of Team NA stealing some of their best players, significantly more so than Team Canada. Even with Kessel, T.Johnson, Faulk etc it still would not be likely to have a prayer of winning with this new status quo, but they could at least have had a better chance of putting in a nice respectable showing and maybe finishing somewhere near the top of the pack...which would have made it seem like nothing was wrong.
However, if instead the US subtly tanks and finishes at the bottom of the standings then people will likely notice...and Team USA officials can really point to it as evidence they are unable to compete with with their roster being crippled like this by Team NA stealing their top talent forcing the idea to maybe be re-evaluated before the next tournament?
Either that or it is a conspiracy by the WC to get more people to root for Team NA in their first year by making the US fans hate/embarrassed by their own team and want to watch/root for the Team NA young guns instead of our national team?
There is no other way to defend some of these roster decisions... Am I wrong that world officiating does not typically turn as much of a blind eye to the clutching, grabbing, and interfering that you can get away with in the NHL that is a massive part of some of these players games in order to compete with the actual star talents? A more physical team seems like you are just asking to be a significantly more penalized team. Something that screams bad idea when you look at the PP units that these other teams will be icing?
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William H Bonney
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For the giggles, here's what a secondary Team USA could look like using players either on Team NA or not chosen for Team USA:
Johnny Gaudreau - Jack Eichel - Phil Kessel
Brandon Saad - Tyler Johnson - Kyle Okposo
Cam Atkinson - Alex Galchenyuk - Kyle Palmieri
Dylan Larkin - Paul Stastny - Bobby Ryan
J.T. Miller
Other options: Charlie Coyle, Nick Bjugstad, Vince Trocheck, Brock Nelson, Chris Kreider, Nick Foligno, Craig Smith, Jason Pominville, etc.
Cam Fowler - Justin Faulk
Torey Krug - Kevin Shattenkirk
Keith Yandle - Seth Jones
Nick Leddy
Other options: Andy Greene, Shane Gostisbehere, Jacob Trouba, Brooks Orpik, Alex Goligoski
John Gibson
Connor Hellebuyck
Ryan Miller
Other options: Craig Anderson
Lots of talent not playing for Team USA. Granted, management didn't have the chance to choose any of the U23 players above, but it really highlights the current player pool depth for USAH, and at this point I wouldn't have been surprised to see them leave off Gaudreau or Galchenyuk in favor of Callahan if they had the option.
Johnny Gaudreau - Jack Eichel - Phil Kessel
Brandon Saad - Tyler Johnson - Kyle Okposo
Cam Atkinson - Alex Galchenyuk - Kyle Palmieri
Dylan Larkin - Paul Stastny - Bobby Ryan
J.T. Miller
Other options: Charlie Coyle, Nick Bjugstad, Vince Trocheck, Brock Nelson, Chris Kreider, Nick Foligno, Craig Smith, Jason Pominville, etc.
Cam Fowler - Justin Faulk
Torey Krug - Kevin Shattenkirk
Keith Yandle - Seth Jones
Nick Leddy
Other options: Andy Greene, Shane Gostisbehere, Jacob Trouba, Brooks Orpik, Alex Goligoski
John Gibson
Connor Hellebuyck
Ryan Miller
Other options: Craig Anderson
Lots of talent not playing for Team USA. Granted, management didn't have the chance to choose any of the U23 players above, but it really highlights the current player pool depth for USAH, and at this point I wouldn't have been surprised to see them leave off Gaudreau or Galchenyuk in favor of Callahan if they had the option.
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Pavs and Kessel are ripping up the playoffs RIGHT NOW. They're both tiny. Even Tyler Johnson has been great when the games mattered the most. I have no idea how this way of thinking is still dominating the roster constructions for teams.
William H Bonney
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No way. I mean, I'm sure USAH hates the Team NA concept (they had tried to petition to make Eichel available back when they named the first 16 players), but the makeup of this team is a wet dream for Tortorella, Lombardi, and Burke.
That's gross hyperbole. Team Canada would be the clear favorite again, but Team USA would be a contender as usual along with the teams from Sweden, Finland, and Russia.
Not likely. Even with these ridiculous roster choices this team would have to disappoint to finish at the bottom. You'd be better off hoping both Team NA and Team Europe are confusing to fans, suck, and finish last. Otherwise, in 4 years we could see McDavid, Eichel, Matthews, etc. being forced to play for Team NA again
No.
There's no way to defend them, but they're not that surprising when you understand Tortorella, Burke, and Lombardi. They think this is how you win. They don't see a distinction or difference between the format of a tournament or that of the playoffs, despite the obvious differences between the two.
This will be played on NHL ice with NHL officials under NHL rules.
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If I was Sidney Crosby I would much rather play against Ryan Callahan cause he's much worse at hockey than Tyler Johnson
Not do only the joke team Team NA take a few good players away from USA, the coaches do help with that to. But hey since they cut both kessel and TJ, I guess JG wouldnt have made either anyway. Because heck, what are they against Abdelkader and Callahan. Either way, USA has a strong team.
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