World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Sweden

[LaGu]

I see your point but Eriksson seems to be on a downward path. With regards to forwards, there is simply noway for us to have Näslund, Forsberg, Sundin, Alfie, Sedin(s), Z kind of players anytime soon from the next generation. The only one really promising is Filip but where are the other top talents? Even Rehnberg (during his prime ) would be a 1st liner today. Its funny though, the junior team has been great playing wonderful offensive hockey but i guess its all about optimizing what you have more than having top of the world talents. Just my thought...

Edit:

And while Filip is promising he is not in the same universe as Peter. Sweden will rely heavily on the back end for offense the next 10 years...

That's pretty easy to say in hindsight.

Peter was a 6th overall pick (which was an upset since he was projected to go low in the 1st round). Filip was 10th overall.

Peter's first post-draft season: 39 GP 9 G 18 A with MODO.
Filip's first post-draft season: 38 GP 15 G 18 A with Leksand.

At that point they were fairly comparable as players but at this point Filip went to NA while Peter stayed two more seasons in Sweden.

Peter's season @ 20 years: 39 GP 18 G 26 A with MODO + 11 GP 9 G 7 A in SHL playoffs.
Filip's season @ 20 years: 82 GP 26 G 37 A with Nashville + 6 GP 4 G 2 A in NHL playoffs.

Peter took off when he hit NHL @ 21-22 years of age.

Filip also scored more goals in this WHC than Peter did during his first 2 WHC @ 19 and 20 years of age. Peter obvioulsy had the Olympics though.

Up to this point in their respective careers, 20 years, they are pretty much comparable.

It is easy to look at how things turned out and say that we don't have anyone on the same planet as one of the best players in Sweden's history, but at the same time you need to remember that they'll all started out somewhere and a couple of the young players today are very promising, Filip is definitely one of them.

You seriously compare Nylander, Wennberg and Burakovsky with Peter Forsberg, Marcus Näslund and Mats Sundin... You got to be kidding me?? None of these players are going to be franchise players, not even close. Yes, they got talent but no, they arent even in the same universe... not even remotely so... I wish they were but seriously i think Nyquist is closer than they are. =(

Forsberg, see above.

Naslund... Remember his first three seasons in NHL? I don't blame you if you don't, they were horrible.

In his third season he player with Mario freakin Lemieux (161 pts), Jagr (149 pts) and Francis (119 pts) and still only managed to get 50 pts... Then he was sent on his way and the rest is history.

Burakovsky, as an example, is miles ahead of Naslund when it comes to play in the NHL at the same age.

Sundin is another story, consistently impressive from a very young age. We have not had a young player with that kind of potential since.

 

[Riddarn]

Compared to the Canadian team that just won gold I think a most, if not all, of the proposed swedish lineups lack quite a lot when it comes to foot speed.

 

[LaGu]

I must say though, it is going to be a very interesting season. There are so many young players who could be on the verge of a break-through and/or establish themselves as top players.

Personally I will be following Lander and Klefbom the most, but that's because I am an EDM supporter.

But there are so many that I am excited about seeing this season.

Some more established, but which I still think could do something special next year:
Hornqvis: 2nd year with Crosby, 40 goals.
Berglund: new team or just new coach?
Backlund: without injury and on a decent team.
Nyqvist: a bit of an off season considering 13/14, may come back with a bang in 15/16 with a new contract.
L.Eriksson: re-structured Boston with new coach and GM.

Younger players that could (should) have career seasons:
Silfverberg: killing it in the playoffs. Equal in point with players like Kane and Getzlaf...
Zibanejad: had a really good set of games this spring, PPG for a month and a half.
E.Lindholm: slow but consistent progression over his first two season, this year I think he could really take off.
Lander: depends on where he will be slotted in, but he showed things this autumn in EDM which makes me think that he actually will play a very important role on an otherwise stacked EDM (stacked with high end offensive talent).
A.Larsson: Break-through after coaching change, will he keep it up?

Sophomore which I hope not only keeps it up, but also takes another step forward: Forsberg, Klingberg, Klefbom, Burakovsky, Wennberg, Rask, Rakell.

Rookie: Nylander, H.Samuelsson, more?


My dark horses:
Rundblad: could get more time next season when CHI has to cut salary.
Hersley: reportedly wants to play in NHL next season.
Paajarvi: will he find a new home after his good finish in AHL?

 

[hallonskal]

That's pretty easy to say in hindsight.

Peter was a 6th overall pick (which was an upset since he was projected to go low in the 1st round). Filip was 10th overall.

Peter's first post-draft season: 39 GP 9 G 18 A with MODO.
Filip's first post-draft season: 38 GP 15 G 18 A with Leksand.

At that point they were fairly comparable as players but at this point Filip went to NA while Peter stayed two more seasons in Sweden.

You cannot compare what Filip did in Allsvenskan (second tier division) to what Peter did in Elitserien. That is like comparing a player that scores 20 points in the NHL to a player that scores 25 points in the AHL. What Peter did was a lot more impressive than what Filip did. It is far from "fairly comparable".

 

[LaGu]

You cannot compare what Filip did in Allsvenskan (second tier division) to what Peter did in Elitserien. That is like comparing a player that scores 20 points in the NHL to a player that scores 25 points in the AHL. What Peter did was a lot more impressive than what Filip did. It is far from "fairly comparable".

Yes I can. I don't think the difference is as significant as you do, although there is obviously a difference.

What about SHL vs NHL?

Fast forward 2 years if you want to when they were 20 years old. What is most impressive: - 82 GP 26 G 37 A 63 P - in the regular season and - 6 GP 4 G 2 A 6 P - in the playoffs in the NHL (leading his team in scoring in both the regular and post season), or - 39 GP 18 G 26 A 44 P - and - 11 GP 9 G 7 A 16 P - in the SHL?


The point is not really to argue specifics of the quality of the leagues though, that's a whole other discussion. The essence of it is that up to the age of 20 their careers are not widely different. You can say that SHL is much more impressive than Allsvenskan and someone else will say that NHL, or even AHL, is much more impressive than SHL, etc etc. It is not important if you chose to give the edge to one or the other player, what is important is that the difference between them is not that big at the age of 20.

Or do you also think that Peter Forsberg, at the age of 20, was "in a whole other universe" than Filip Forsberg?


It bugs me that some people dismiss 20 and 21 year old players as if that is the end of the line. Which players from the golden generation were great at that age?

 

[LaGu]

For better or worse, players go earlier to the NHL these days. Just take a look at the rookie seasons of some of our great players:

Sundin: 19
Backstrom: 20
Nylander: 20
Naslund: 20
H.Sedin: 20
D.Sedin: 20
F.Forsberg: 20
P.Forsberg: 21
Alfredsson: 22
Zetterberg: 22

If you look at their respective rookie seasons the list would be: P.Forsberg, Backstrom, F.Forsberg, Alfredsson, Sundin, Zetterberg, D.Sedin, Nylander, H.Sedin, Naslund.

In terms of goals scored, F.Forsberg is tied with Alfredsson for the best rookie season.

 

[VictorLustig]

Compared to the Canadian team that just won gold I think a most, if not all, of the proposed swedish lineups lack quite a lot when it comes to foot speed.

Yeah, that's our biggest problem I think. Almost all of our forwards are only average skaters. Nyquist, M.Johansson & Hagelin are the only forwards with separation speed we have, and Hagelin is a 3rd liner at best and Johansson would probably not even make the team. Team speed is pretty important and we lack there.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Rookie: Nylander, H.Samuelsson, more?

Samuelsson is not eligible for Team Sweden.

 

[LaGu]

Samuelsson is not eligible for Team Sweden.

Ah yes, true. Too bad.

In any case he was the last player of interest on my list so it is not a big loss

 

[VictorLustig]

Pretty obvious Hedman-Strålman will be one of our pairs. They are great together and individually, unlike Kronwall-Ericsson & Hjalmarsson-Oduya.

 

[TommySalo]

My team for WC 2016:


Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Zibanejad

Hagelin - Bäckström - Forsberg

Steen - Berglund - Landeskog

Hjalmarsson - Karlsson
Hedman - Strålman
Kronwall - OEL
H. Lindholm - Brodin / Edler


Lundqvist

 

[ulvvf]

That's pretty easy to say in hindsight.

Peter was a 6th overall pick (which was an upset since he was projected to go low in the 1st round). Filip was 10th overall.

Peter's first post-draft season: 39 GP 9 G 18 A with MODO.
Filip's first post-draft season: 38 GP 15 G 18 A with Leksand.

At that point they were fairly comparable as players but at this point Filip went to NA while Peter stayed two more seasons in Sweden.

Peter's season @ 20 years: 39 GP 18 G 26 A with MODO + 11 GP 9 G 7 A in SHL playoffs.
Filip's season @ 20 years: 82 GP 26 G 37 A with Nashville + 6 GP 4 G 2 A in NHL playoffs.

Peter took off when he hit NHL @ 21-22 years of age.

Filip also scored more goals in this WHC than Peter did during his first 2 WHC @ 19 and 20 years of age. Peter obvioulsy had the Olympics though.

Up to this point in their respective careers, 20 years, they are pretty much comparable.

It is easy to look at how things turned out and say that we don't have anyone on the same planet as one of the best players in Sweden's history, but at the same time you need to remember that they'll all started out somewhere and a couple of the young players today are very promising, Filip is definitely one of them.



Forsberg, see above.

Naslund... Remember his first three seasons in NHL? I don't blame you if you don't, they were horrible.

In his third season he player with Mario freakin Lemieux (161 pts), Jagr (149 pts) and Francis (119 pts) and still only managed to get 50 pts... Then he was sent on his way and the rest is history.

Burakovsky, as an example, is miles ahead of Naslund when it comes to play in the NHL at the same age.

Sundin is another story, consistently impressive from a very young age. We have not had a young player with that kind of potential since.

Peter Forsberg did maybe have the most impressing draft year from any swede in the history. Sundin was not close, and filip forsberg played in allsvenskan. Forsberg should have been a lock as number one in that draft. Really really bad scouting taking him as number 6. Some times it is very obvious and it was definatly obvious with him, both according to the eyetest and stats (102p in 39 games in U20, 17p in 23 games in SHL/elitserien and 17p in 6 games in the national team U18.)

But yeah I agree, it looks good. The problem is all the dark years in the 00-decade, that have cause a big gap between ZetterbergSedin/Kronwall generation and thie newer one, almost only Bäckström there between.

The forwards have for some reason have had bigger problem adjusting to senior hockey than the d-men, but they are getting there.

Btw, have sweden ever had this good rookie season overalli NHL? Forsberg, Klingberg, maybe the best rookies in the league, but also, Rask, Burakovsky, Klefbom, Rakell, M Karlsson, Wennberg, have had good rookie season. Also some good breakouts like Adam Larsson and maybe Hörnqvist (hehe)

Who will the best rookies for sweden next year? Nylander is the most obvious guess, but maybe also worth mention, G Olofsson, Dahlbeck, Hägg, Arvidsson, O Lindberg, T. Lindberg, Sjögren, W Karlsson, A Johnson, Sundqvist, Heed, Janemark

 

[LaGu]

Peter Forsberg did maybe have the most impressing draft year from any swede in the history. Sundin was not close, and filip forsberg played in allsvenskan. Forsberg should have been a lock as number one in that draft. Really really bad scouting taking him as number 6. Some times it is very obvious and it was definatly obvious with him, both according to the eyetest and stats (102p in 39 games in U20, 17p in 23 games in SHL/elitserien and 17p in 6 games in the national team U18.)

But yeah I agree, it looks good. The problem is all the dark years in the 00-decade, that have cause a big gap between ZetterbergSedin/Kronwall generation and thie newer one, almost only Bäckström there between.

The forwards have for some reason have had bigger problem adjusting to senior hockey than the d-men, but they are getting there.

Btw, have sweden ever had this good rookie season overalli NHL? Forsberg, Klingberg, maybe the best rookies in the league, but also, Rask, Burakovsky, Klefbom, Rakell, M Karlsson, Wennberg, have had good rookie season. Also some good breakouts like Adam Larsson and maybe Hörnqvist (hehe)

Who will the best rookies for sweden next year? Nylander is the most obvious guess, but maybe also worth mention, G Olofsson, Dahlbeck, Hägg, Arvidsson, O Lindberg, T. Lindberg, Sjögren, W Karlsson, A Johnson, Sundqvist, Heed, Janemark

It is really amazing, just a couple of years ago I was not very convinced about the re-growth of hockey-Sweden. Right now I am very comfortable with what we have going on with players 19-25 (+ Hornqvist ).

I don't know very much at all about the next set of rookies coming in, Nylander and that's basically it for me. Anything else will be a pleasant surprise.

 

[Eye of Ra]

Peter Forsberg did maybe have the most impressing draft year from any swede in the history. Sundin was not close, and filip forsberg played in allsvenskan. Forsberg should have been a lock as number one in that draft. Really really bad scouting taking him as number 6. Some times it is very obvious and it was definatly obvious with him, both according to the eyetest and stats (102p in 39 games in U20, 17p in 23 games in SHL/elitserien and 17p in 6 games in the national team U18.)

But yeah I agree, it looks good. The problem is all the dark years in the 00-decade, that have cause a big gap between ZetterbergSedin/Kronwall generation and thie newer one, almost only Bäckström there between.

The forwards have for some reason have had bigger problem adjusting to senior hockey than the d-men, but they are getting there.

Btw, have sweden ever had this good rookie season overalli NHL? Forsberg, Klingberg, maybe the best rookies in the league, but also, Rask, Burakovsky, Klefbom, Rakell, M Karlsson, Wennberg, have had good rookie season. Also some good breakouts like Adam Larsson and maybe Hörnqvist (hehe)

Who will the best rookies for sweden next year? Nylander is the most obvious guess, but maybe also worth mention, G Olofsson, Dahlbeck, Hägg, Arvidsson, O Lindberg, T. Lindberg, Sjögren, W Karlsson, A Johnson, Sundqvist, Heed, Janemark

Sjögren is not playing in NHL, he has already failed 2 times with the Capitals.

Heed have to show more in Europe, 1 good season is not enough for NHL-clubs to sign him.

Janmark has signed with Frölunda in the upcoming season.

 

[jfc64]

Compared to the Canadian team that just won gold I think a most, if not all, of the proposed swedish lineups lack quite a lot when it comes to foot speed.

Is this the best we have if we want to be as good and fast as possible?


Sedin - Bäckström - Fast

Landeskog - Zetterberg - Forsberg

Silfverberg - Sedin - Eriksson

Steen - Backlund - Hagelin

Johansson - Zibanejad



Ekman-Larsson - Karlsson

Hedman - Strålman

Hjalmarsson - Edler

Lindholm - Brodin

 

[ulvvf]

Sjögren is not playing in NHL, he has already failed 2 times with the Capitals.

Heed have to show more in Europe, 1 good season is not enough for NHL-clubs to sign him.

Janmark has signed with Frölunda in the upcoming season.

Sjögren is talking about giving it another chance

Do not think that matters, since NHL and SHL have a agreement on letting players go to NHL no matter if they have contract or not.

Heed? Well he have been one of the best d-men in SHL and is fairly young. They have signed far worse then him.

Is this the best we have if we want to be as good and fast as possible?


Steen - Bäckström - Fast

Landeskog - Zetterberg - Zibanejad

Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson

Silfverberg - Backlund - Hagelin

Nyquist - Johansson

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Fast in the 1th line? Even if we would focus on speed he still have many before him.

Good skater that I rank before him is at least (in no particularly order), Silfverberg, Johansson, Hagelin, Nyquist, Backlund, Burakovsky, Klasen, Omark, Nylander.

 

[WhiteLight*]

Forsberg - Backstrom - Steen
Sedin - Sedin - Hornqvist
Landeskog - Zetterberg - Silfverberg
Eriksson - Zibanejad - Nyquist
Backlund

Lindholm - Karlsson
Ekman-Larsson - Stralman
Hedman - Brodin
Kronwall - Hjalmarsson

Lundqvist
Lack
Enroth

 

[edd1e]

Comparing Filip to Peter is wrong and unfair. To me Peter was the ultimate hockey player.. just a marvel to watch him play. I remember when they asked Selänne (around 2001-2003) who is the best player in the NHL right now he said without a doubt it's Forsberg.

Filip Forsberg is a really good player but not in the same league as Peter, and so few are.

 

[jfc64]

Fast in the 1th line? Even if we would focus on speed he still have many before him.

Good skater that I rank before him is at least (in no particular order), Silfverberg, Johansson, Hagelin, Nyquist, Backlund, Burakovsky, Klasen, Omark, Nylander.

Hehe, Fast scored twice in reply!

 

[jfc64]

Comparing Filip to Peter is wrong and unfair. To me Peter was the ultimate hockey player.. just a marvel to watch him play. I remember when they asked Selänne (around 2001-2003) who is the best player in the NHL right now he said without a doubt it's Forsberg.

Filip Forsberg is a really good player but not in the same league as Peter, and so few are.

COMBINING the two Forsbergs? Mamma Mia!

 

[Tomas W]

Comparing Filip to Peter is wrong and unfair. To me Peter was the ultimate hockey player.. just a marvel to watch him play. I remember when they asked Selänne (around 2001-2003) who is the best player in the NHL right now he said without a doubt it's Forsberg.

Filip Forsberg is a really good player but not in the same league as Peter, and so few are.

I might agree, but FF is also still very young, WAY to early to compare them.

 

[Tomas W]

My team for WC 2016:


Sedin - Sedin - Eriksson

Nyquist - Zetterberg - Zibanejad

Hagelin - Bäckström - Forsberg

Steen - Berglund - Landeskog

Hjalmarsson - Karlsson
Hedman - Strålman
Kronwall - OEL
H. Lindholm - Brodin / Edler


Lundqvist

A good line up. Good work.

 

[Addison Rae]

Edler was insane this year, he played the best hockey of his career. He should make this team, I know he was rocky in 2013/2014 and that hurt his stance but I guarantee he was absolutely exceptional last season, head and shoulders better than a guy that made Canada's Olympic team in 2014 (Hamhuis)

 

[LaGu]

Comparing Filip to Peter is wrong and unfair. To me Peter was the ultimate hockey player.. just a marvel to watch him play. I remember when they asked Selänne (around 2001-2003) who is the best player in the NHL right now he said without a doubt it's Forsberg.

Filip Forsberg is a really good player but not in the same league as Peter, and so few are.

So it is fair to compare a 27-29 year old Peter Forsberg who had played 7-9 NHL seasons to a 20 year old Filip Forsberg after one full season?

I might agree, but FF is also still very young, WAY to early to compare them.

Exactly.

Everyone should just stop drawing lines between players in their early twenties and players who have already ended successful careers. Unless of course you compare them at the same age, as pointed out earlier in this thread.

 

[LiveeviL]

Edler was insane this year, he played the best hockey of his career. He should make this team, I know he was rocky in 2013/2014 and that hurt his stance but I guarantee he was absolutely exceptional last season, head and shoulders better than a guy that made Canada's Olympic team in 2014 (Hamhuis)

Yeah but you got few in Sweden who follow the Canucks and Edler do not come from an organisation which any of these guys follow so he will never be listed according to capacity in these rankings.