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ijuka said:
It's Lauri Marjamäki.

Basically:

It's extremely boring, extremely slow and safe and extremely dull to watch but extremely effective. Very strict systems. Defense first always. Complete systems for all kinds of offensive. Three lane offense, heavy puck possession, defense with the puck. "Dump and change" or "dump and chase" are ideally never executed. Active puck retrieval into a structured counter attack is common.


By the way, I disagree with "allowing their elite talent more room to be creative" being a good way of coaching. Having a solid, functional offensive system is in my opinion 50000000000000000000000 times better for these super stars. The issues stacked nations like Russia have in international competitions is that their super stars don't have these systems. They don't hinder from stars making creative plays, they greatly assist with it. A true, proper three-lane offense is in my opinion ALWAYS superior for talented players than dump and chase or other similar garbage. Jukka Jalonen is in my opinion not nearly as good of a coach as Lauri Marjamäki is, but we could see how even an inferior well structured system assisted Laine, Puljujärvi and Aho greatly during Finland's u-20 victory. Finland was easily the best coached team in u-20s and the biggest stars(Laine, Aho, Puljujärvi) did benefit the most from it. Only with a true, complete system can the biggest stars truly shine, in my opinion.



Finland has always done well with inferior material. Now Finland will also have by far the best coach in the tournament, for the first time in years. I'm not worried.
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Good post. One thing I admire about Suomi is the ability for the guys to play above their weight and play with disciplined team focus.

It does not go unnoticed, I certainly have lots of respect for the fighting spirit of the Finns. One of your lions is about to become royalty in Northern Canada. Can't wait to buy a Pulju jersey :yo:.
 
illone84 said:
If you look at 2006, it was Saku Koivu (5"10), Olli Jokinen (6"3), Niko Kapanen (5"8) and Mikko Koivu (6"2).

Now it's most likely Barkov (6"3), Koivu (6"2) Lehtera (6"2) and Haula (6"0). Not bad.
Plus Filppula, TT, Granny, JJ, can come in for draws and win them.

I'm interested in seeing how are D holds up but I think they will be fine.
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Basically all this 2016 group has in advantage of the 2004 group is the centre department - and even that advantage's not significant. The earlier iteration wins in everything else, including wingers. We need to see far more from this current group before they hold up to Selänne, Lehtinen, Peltonen, T.Ruutu, Hagman and others mentioned in their 2004 form. 2004 also had miles better d-core and top-of-his-game Kipper.

After all, the only fair comparison is to look at the players in the shape they were when their respective tournaments were played, not at any other point, or some projected point in the future. 2004 wins 2016, no question. However, if things go as expected and we were to have this exact same team come out in 2020, I'd be inclined to say that group would beat 2004.

2006 and 2016 are somewhat closer, but it's hard to say which one's truly ahead. D and G were somewhat weaker when you compare 2004 and 2006 (just like 2016 loses to 2004 in those departments), but the forward group was essentially the same.
 
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FiLe said:
Basically all this 2016 group has in advantage of the 2004 group is the centre department - and even that advantage's not significant. The earlier iteration wins in everything else, including wingers. We need to see far more from this current group before they hold up to Selänne, Lehtinen, Peltonen, T.Ruutu, Hagman and others mentioned in their 2004 form. 2004 also had miles better d-core and top-of-his-game Kipper.

After all, the only fair comparison is to look at the players in the shape they were when their respective tournaments were played, not at any other point, or some projected point in the future. 2004 wins 2016, no question. However, if things go as expected and we were to have this exact same team come out in 2020, I'd be inclined to say that group would beat 2004.

2006 and 2016 are somewhat closer, but it's hard to say which one's truly ahead. D and G were somewhat weaker when you compare 2004 and 2006 (just like 2016 loses to 2004 in those departments), but the forward group was essentially the same.
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Those are some good points indeed. However, I feel inclined to add that this current roster is without a doubt better than that of 2014 Sochi-at least on paper.

I felt that the 2014 team had great chemistry and played a structured defensive game, but too much was missing in the forward department in regards to scoring goals. Also, remember that semi-final game against Sweden? If I can recall correctly a 5-3 was set to waste because all the players were focusing too much on feeding the puck to Teemu.

Anyways, let's see what happens. :yo:
 
illone84 said:
However, I feel inclined to add that this current roster is without a doubt better than that of 2014 Sochi-at least on paper.
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It is better than the Sochi group, if not by much.

When you compare 2014 and 2016, G is pretty much on the same level. 2014 defense was a mixture of raw promise and twilight. Now the twilight's gone, but in these two years that raw promise - both returning and new - has not yet fully made the transition to their prime. Since we lacked prime d-men in 2014 and we still lack them, this department is essentially a wash. Forwards are quite a bit better though, and end up making the difference.
 
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In hindsight I would go for an energy/pain-in-the-ass/grinding line against other teams top competition:

Jonne Virtanen — Komarov — Puljujärvi
Laine — Barkov — Filppula
Aho — Koivu — Granlund
Jokinen — Lehterä — Donskoi

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Laine Barkov Granny

JJ Koivu Filppula

3rd C Lehterä
4th C Haula

That is IMO something to build around.

Koivu line vs the hardest opponents, Mikko is so underrated at shut down play, he´s such a good defensive C

Laine Barkov Granny, is the opportunist line, all out offensive role.

Two grinding lines.

Absurd amounts of PP time to Laine, he doesn´t get tired waiting in the slot, there is no reason not to play him the full 2 minutes nearly every time, that´s 2-4 shooting chances every time. (except when he scores within that time :D )
 
teravaineSAROS said:
In hindsight I would go for an energy/pain-in-the-ass/grinding line against other teams top competition:

Jonne Virtanen — Komarov — Puljujärvi
Laine — Barkov — Filppula
Aho — Koivu — Granlund
Jokinen — Lehterä — Donskoi

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It would have been cool to have Puljujärvi or Rantanen on this team but I think Aho will do just fine.
 
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Which players from this Finland team do you think will get the most points?

My top 5 IMHO:

Donskoi
Laine
Granlund
Barkov
Vatanen
 
Granlund - Koivu - Donskoi

Minnesota guys. And Granlund + Donskoi pretty much grew together in Oulu and with the national junior teams.

Laine - Barkov - Filppula

Laine and Barkov seems to have a good chemistry already. Filppula is better defesively than Jokinen

Teräväinen - Lehterä - Jokinen

Good 3rd line that can score but isn't a liability in the own end

Komarov - Haula - Aho

Limited minutes and PK for this line but I would not be surprised if this line would score the deciding goal in the quarter- or semifinals. ;)
 
Barkov is probably the best goal scorer of the team so it would't be wise to put the best goal scorers on the same line imo and Barkov already deferred too much to Laine in the WHC.

Granlund-Barkov-Donskoi
Laine-Koivu-Filppula

is what i would do.
 
BusQuets said:
Barkov is probably the best goal scorer of the team so it would't be wise to put the best goal scorers on the same line imo and Barkov already deferred too much to Laine in the WHC.

Granlund-Barkov-Donskoi
Laine-Koivu-Filppula

is what i would do.
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What are the chances that Marjamäki sticks to the same line ups used during the WHC this year?
Or do you think he will experiment during the exhibition games against Sweden and USA?

I like this line up: Granlund-Barkov-Donskoi but I'm not so sure about Laine-Koivu-Filppula.
Something tells me that Marjamäki ends up using JJ Barkov Laine and Granny Koivu Donskoi/Filppula.
 
Karjala takaisin said:
Laine Barkov Granlund
Jokinen Koivu Filppula
Teräväinen Lehterä Donskoi
Komarov Haula Aho

I guess this would be ok.
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Looks good to me. Top line is good with Laine on his proper wing, plus Barky and Granny looked good in Sochi.

The second line is from the WHC 2012 so they know how to play together. Third line is good but I'd rather see Komarov there. 4th line replace TT with Korpedo for more grit and size.
 
Laine Barkov Granlund
Jokinen Koivu Filppula
Komarov Lehterä Donskoi
Korpikoski Haula Aho/Teräväinen

Yeah, I guess this could be tried as well.
 
Karjala takaisin said:
Laine Barkov Granlund
Jokinen Koivu Filppula
Komarov Lehterä Donskoi
Korpikoski Haula Aho/Teräväinen

Yeah, I guess this could be tried as well.
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Lots of guys don't like Korpikoski on this team, but we still need grit and penalty killers.
Teräväinen is obviously a good player, but very similar to Aho and Granlund (smaller size and playmaker that can play centre and wing).

In all honesty, I would have preferred Rantanen over Aho. Either way, keep the 4th line as Korpedo/Haula/TT or Aho.
 
The preparation for the tournament is too short to make drastic line changes. So the lines will be:

Jokinen - Barkov - Donskoi

Granlund - Koivu - Filppula

Komarov - Teräväinen - Aho/Laine

Korpikoski - Lehterä - Haula

I think first two lines are set in stone. 3rd line will play "the soft minutes", 4th line in a shut down role.
 
illone84 said:
Lots of guys don't like Korpikoski on this team, but we still need grit and penalty killers.
Teräväinen is obviously a good player, but very similar to Aho and Granlund (smaller size and playmaker that can play centre and wing).

In all honesty, I would have preferred Rantanen over Aho. Either way, keep the 4th line as Korpedo/Haula/TT or Aho.
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if this would really be best on best tournament!!. we could really replaced korpikoski with taylor hall and some d-men with pK subban
 
What am i missing, imo there is no logic in having Laine as RW.
Have you people not watched hockey in 2016? Laine is LW.

So what that he is 18, him and barkov are Finlands best offensive players none the less.
 
Booster said:
What am i missing, imo there is no logic in having Laine as RW.
Have you people not watched hockey in 2016? Laine is LW.

So what that he is 18, him and barkov are Finlands best offensive players none the less.
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Laine Barkov Granlund :)
 
scud9 said:
Jokinen - Barkov - Donskoi

Granlund - Koivu - Filppula

Komarov - Teräväinen - Aho/Laine

Korpikoski - Lehterä - Haula
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I think we have Jokinen, Granlund and Laine who all prefer LW and Teräväinen who prefers RW. Filppula, Komarov and Haula prefer C but can also play LW and Filppula also RW. Donskoi and Aho can play both wings. So with these on my mind i would make lines like these:

LW - C - RW
Jokinen-Koivu-Filppula
Laine-Barkov-Teräväinen
Granlund-Lehterä-Donskoi
Komarov-Haula-Aho
Korpikoski

TOP3 LW, RW and C positions are interchangeable but i would use these at the start of the tourney.
 
This could be used also but I don't know how far they will go.

Komarov Koivu Teräväinen (defensive ykkösnyrkki)
Laine Barkov Granlund (1st PP group)
Jokinen Lehterä Donskoi (2nd PP group)
Haula Filppula Korpikoski (defensive line)
 
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