World Cup: 2016 World Cup — Team Canada (Part II)

[DJJones]

I think Letang and Brodie make it over Gio and Pietrangelo

 

[ItsTheBGB]

Not when you want a checking line winger.

Why on earth would you pick a checking winger for Team Canada?
It will be like 2006 all over again.
You pick the most dominant team possible and let the other team try and stop you. Don't worry about stopping them.

I will also leave this here: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...rds&minutes=1000&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

 

[JackSlater]

Ya I have no issues with him being on the team itself if he is named, he's one of the bubble guys who has a deserving case. I just don't see him as someone who should be on the 2nd line of probably the best team in the world.

86Habs, you're right those guys did lead Canada's ice time as forwards except for maybe Crosby. I don't think I'd have as much of an issue if it was something like Toews, Carter, and Benn. It just seems like a really weak 2nd line to have both Carter and Marchand on it. But I guess you never really know how these things will turn out until you put these guys on the ice together and see how things work out.

No need to get caught up in first, second, third or fourth line. Canada rolls lines.

Why on earth would you pick a checking winger for Team Canada?
It will be like 2006 all over again.
You pick the most dominant team possible and let the other team try and stop you. Don't worry about stopping them.

I will also leave this here: http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/rat...rds&minutes=1000&disp=1&sort=PCT&sortdir=DESC

Because Canada has a checking line, and thus there will be two checking line wingers. Same role filled by Richards/Nash in 2010 and Marleau/Carter in 2014. Unless Canada suddenly brings along an incredibly immobile defence to international size ice, I'm not seeing any parallels with the problems of 2006.

 

[ItsTheBGB]

No need to get caught up in first, second, third or fourth line. Canada rolls lines.



Because Canada has a checking line, and thus there will be two checking line wingers. Same role filled by Richards/Nash in 2010 and Marleau/Carter in 2014. Unless Canada suddenly brings along an incredibly immobile defence to international size ice, I'm not seeing any parallels with the problems of 2006.

Our checking lines will be all four lines that have the puck constantly in the other teams end.
Canada is a Bugatti and we shouldn't be trying to put a governor on it!
In these tournaments penalties aren't called as much and it would make sense to have the best even strength scorers available, no?

 

[JackSlater]

Our checking lines will be all four lines that have the puck constantly in the other teams end.
Canada is a Bugatti and we shouldn't be trying to put a governor on it!
In these tournaments penalties aren't called as much and it would make sense to have the best even strength scorers available, no?

There will be a checking line, even though all four lines will be expected to be responsible defensively. There is always a defensive line for Canada, and it makes sense to pick players suited to such a role. Marchand is someone who fits that role quite well.

Funny that you mention taking the best even strength scorers, since this year Marchand was fourth in the NHL and best among Canadians in this regard.

 

[86Habs]

Ya I have no issues with him being on the team itself if he is named, he's one of the bubble guys who has a deserving case. I just don't see him as someone who should be on the 2nd line of probably the best team in the world.

86Habs, you're right those guys did lead Canada's ice time as forwards except for maybe Crosby. I don't think I'd have as much of an issue if it was something like Toews, Carter, and Benn. It just seems like a really weak 2nd line to have both Carter and Marchand on it. But I guess you never really know how these things will turn out until you put these guys on the ice together and see how things work out.

Meh, I wouldn't get so hung up on it. Babcock already has an immense amount of trust in Toews and Carter, and they'll likely get deployed in a match-up role against the opposition's top lines as well as kill penalties. Marchand seems like the kind of player Babcock would take to, is very strong defensively (and obviously an elite PKer), is skilled offensively, and adds an "agitator" element that could be useful on small ice, with NHL refereeing. Babcock rolls four lines anyway, so Seguin and Benn will get theirs....against weaker line and defensive matchups too, in all likelihood. Win-win.

 

[theranfordflop]

Isn't it kind of weird that Logan Couture could make a strong case for Conn Smythe this year, and still receive 0 consideration from anybody for this team?

 

[tade]

Isn't it kind of weird that Logan Couture could make a strong case for Conn Smythe this year, and still receive 0 consideration from anybody for this team?

No, it is not. Call me again when he dominates at least 2 consecutive NHL seasons, and not only 1 playoffs. And he has basically never represented Hockey Canada before.

 

[ItsTheBGB]

There will be a checking line, even though all four lines will be expected to be responsible defensively. There is always a defensive line for Canada, and it makes sense to pick players suited to such a role. Marchand is someone who fits that role quite well.

Funny that you mention taking the best even strength scorers, since this year Marchand was fourth in the NHL and best among Canadians in this regard.

I would have Marchand on my team as well. I think Canada should take all scoring wingers with their remaining forward spots is my biggest argument/issue. Marchand is good defensively but he's still one of Canada's best scoring wingers.

 

[moon*]

I just don't see Marchand being much (if at all) of an upgrade over Giroux, Couture, Duchene or ROR to risk him taking a stupid penalty at an awful time.

Lines might not be exact as I will leave that up to the coaches that see how guys fit but I hope to see something like:

Hall-Crosby-Stamkos
Benn-Getzlaf-Perry
Duchene-Toew-Bergeron
Seguin-Tavares-Carter
(ROR/Giroux)

Not sure if one of the right shots can play LW. I put Seguin there as a fit. Also people say that Bergeron and Crosby are good together so I could bump him up to the top line Carter with Toews and Stamkos with Tavares.

I like Giroux better than ROR but with the lack of LH forwards I could see ROR there instead.

I also have zero issue with no Perry being there but I think his TC history makes him a lock.

I think defense is easy to set with Letang getting screwed because of the depth and Pietrangelo playing in 2014 and Armstrong being the GM.

Keith-Doughty
Vlasic-Burns
Brodie-Pietrangelo
Weber

 

[86Habs]

Isn't it kind of weird that Logan Couture could make a strong case for Conn Smythe this year, and still receive 0 consideration from anybody for this team?

Probably because he's declined invitations from Hockey Canada to participate at the World Championships - like last year, and I believe a few other instances where the Sharks were eliminated early. If he hadn't, he'd be right there in the mix with O'Reilly, Marchand, Duchene and Hall for one of the last few available LW positions. Those other four guys show up whenever they're called upon, and that loyalty gets rewarded down the line.

Personally, I'd lean towards having him on my roster. He's consistently matched-up defensively against other teams' top lines and does a really good job of shutting them down, is a really good special teams player, and has a nose for the net. He'd be a good Swiss Army knife to have in a 13-man forward group. This isn't his first quality playoff run either.

 

[JackSlater]

I would have Marchand on my team as well. I think Canada should take all scoring wingers with their remaining forward spots is my biggest argument/issue. Marchand is good defensively but he's still one of Canada's best scoring wingers.

No one is talking about taking Rob Zamuner. Canada's elite two way candidates (Marchand, O'Reilly, Stone etc.) all contribute offensively.

 

[KidLine93]

Not when you want a checking line winger.

He has the best 5v5 stats out of anyone available. He's exactly who you pick for the 3rd line.

He also played the most minutes in the world championship playoff games out of the forwards (yes when they were defending leads). Plus he's a natural winger.

If he gets snubbed for more centers to crawl over to the wing and under perform there (Duchene at the olympics) I'd be dissapointed.

O'reilly should make it out of versatility. Perry is a no brainer. Hall and Giroux/Thornton would be the 5 guys i have battling for the 4 spots.

 

[JackSlater]

He has the best 5v5 stats out of anyone available. He's exactly who you pick for the 3rd line.

He also played the most minutes in the world championship playoff games out of the forwards (yes when they were defending leads). Plus he's a natural winger.

If he gets snubbed for more centers to crawl over to the wing and under perform there (Duchene at the olympics) I'd be dissapointed.

O'reilly should make it out of versatility. Perry is a no brainer. Hall and Giroux/Thornton would be the 5 guys i have battling for the 4 spots.

I've defended Hall before, but he's obviously not going to be utilized on the defensive line. Even ardent supporters know this. Hall's competition isn't Marchand/O'Reilly but Duchene.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

He has the best 5v5 stats out of anyone available. He's exactly who you pick for the 3rd line.

He also played the most minutes in the world championship playoff games out of the forwards (yes when they were defending leads). Plus he's a natural winger.

If he gets snubbed for more centers to crawl over to the wing and under perform there (Duchene at the olympics) I'd be dissapointed.

O'reilly should make it out of versatility. Perry is a no brainer. Hall and Giroux/Thornton would be the 5 guys i have battling for the 4 spots.

??? Most Canadians were very impressed with Duchene at the Olympics in his limited time. Also he played just as much on the wing as he did at centre this year so he's more a hybrid than just a centre.

 

[jj cale]

I may be alone here but.

Didn't anyone else find that aside from a few good plays Perry just seems as if he is tired?

I could be wrong, it would be the about the 1000th time but he just seemed a little..................tired.


To me.

I do respect and admire his willingness to play and put out however.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

I may be alone here but.

Didn't anyone else find that aside from a few good plays Perry just seems as if he is tired?

I could be wrong, it would be the about the 1000th time but he just seemed a little..................tired.


To me.

I do respect and admire his willingness to play and put out however.

I would personally put O'Reilly, Giroux, Hall, Duchene and Stone ahead of him but HC wont see it that way and that's fair. Plus it's not hard to imagine him and Getzlaf just absolutely going off.

 

[86Habs]

I may be alone here but.

Didn't anyone else find that aside from a few good plays Perry just seems as if he is tired?

I could be wrong, it would be the about the 1000th time but he just seemed a little..................tired.


To me.

I do respect and admire his willingness to play and put out however.

You're not alone. I wouldn't say he was going through the motions, because he wasn't, but he wasn't on top of his game.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

You're not alone. I wouldn't say he was going through the motions, because he wasn't, but he wasn't on top of his game.

Only Getzlaf can maximise Perry. I feel in the international level, if he's not with Getzlaf he won't dictate the game on his own. The two together work wonders for a reason.

 

[moon*]

I may be alone here but.

Didn't anyone else find that aside from a few good plays Perry just seems as if he is tired?

I could be wrong, it would be the about the 1000th time but he just seemed a little..................tired.


To me.

I do respect and admire his willingness to play and put out however.

I thought Perry was awful at the WHC. There were a few plays where his talent allowed him to make plays but overall he looked like he had zero desire to be there at all.

Personally I wouldn't have him on the World Cup team if it were up to me but I think he is a lock based on his history with Hockey Canada.

 

[86Habs]

Only Getzlaf can maximise Perry. I feel in the international level, if he's not with Getzlaf he won't dictate the game on his own. The two together work wonders for a reason.

Yeah, him and Getzlaf are both big bodies that can dominate together on the cycle down low. Not to mention Getzlaf's playmaking skills and Perry's finishing skills. No doubt those two guys have developed a strong chemistry together over the last ~10 years. Perry would presumably look good with Thornton as well.

 

[habsrule4eva3089]

Patrick Marleau might still contend for a spot on the 2018 Olympic team with his speed. He could play a Niedermayer 2010 role, I feel.

What are his prospects for a spot here?

 

[moon*]

Patrick Marleau might still contend for a spot on the 2018 Olympic team with his speed. He could play a Niedermayer 2010 role, I feel.

What are his prospects for a spot here?

I would say somewhere between zero and less than zero.

 

[jj cale]

I would personally put O'Reilly, Giroux, Hall, Duchene and Stone ahead of him but HC wont see it that way and that's fair. Plus it's not hard to imagine him and Getzlaf just absolutely going off.

Thats the thing, he would seem to be taking a spot from Giroux.


Which I don't agree with.

However, I do not know Girouxs health status.

 

[86Habs]

Patrick Marleau might still contend for a spot on the 2018 Olympic team with his speed. He could play a Niedermayer 2010 role, I feel.

What are his prospects for a spot here?

I'm a huge Marleau fan, always have been (and he did lead the Sharks in TOI in game 7 the other night), but unfortunately the time has come to put him out to pasture. I'd say he has a ~5% chance of making the World Cup team this evening, based solely on Babcock's love for the guy. It would be a massive surprise pick, though I will say that a lot of people were surprised by his inclusion in 2014. For 2018, even if NHLers participate he has no chance.