WC: 2016 Team Slovakia

[jcbio11]

I actually think he could be useful for 4th line. He is too old/not good enough anymore for top 9, but with his frame he could be solid for the 4th line. Top 9 should be filled with younger players only (under 32 years or something like that) with the exceptions of Gaborik or Hossa (If they get kicked out in the playoffs)

Excited for Reway, the team gets immediately better with him in the line-up.

Honestly I'd even prefer grandpa Handzus over Kopecky for the 4th line center role. Anyway we'll see, but I don't think he makes the cut.

 

[kabidjan18]

I actually think he could be useful for 4th line. He is too old/not good enough anymore for top 9, but with his frame he could be solid for the 4th line. Top 9 should be filled with younger players only (under 32 years or something like that) with the exceptions of Gaborik or Hossa (If they get kicked out in the playoffs)

Excited for Reway, the team gets immediately better with him in the line-up.

Well, you have two options, give a young and early career guy a chance at positive exposure and a chance to improve or give an old player who's best days are behind him and whose play hasn't been great another rodeo. I don't think he'll be on the team either, 20 points in 43 games just doesn't cut it.

 

[alko]

Honestly I'd even prefer grandpa Handzus over Kopecky for the 4th line center role. Anyway we'll see, but I don't think he makes the cut.

Handzus national career is over. Accept it. We saw few years ago with Jozef Stumpel, that it is not worthy to nominate old guy from our league to WCH. Simply, the level is much higher.

 

[Keram]

Kopecky wont be invited. Ciger said that recently. I think this year will be real restart of Slovakia and oldest guy will be Granak as nearly 33 years old.

 

[jcbio11]

Kopecky wont be invited. Ciger said that recently. I think this year will be real restart of Slovakia and oldest guy will be Granak as nearly 33 years old.

If the oldest guy is 32 that's cool. Plus Granak can skate.

 

[Keram]

If the oldest guy is 32 that's cool. Plus Granak can skate.

Yeah if it will be something like I expect it would be nice. I hope they make at least quarterfinals and won´t have problems with avoiding relegation.

Hudacek
Konrad
Baros (he could gain some experience as third goalie)

I would mix older guys with younger at defence. This year could be very good defence group. For our conditions I hope Ciger won´t invite Jurcina

Sekera-Cajkovsky
Meszaros-Marincin
Granak-Jaros
Daloga-Ceresnak

I think Detroit will not get play off or end in first round so

Tatar-Viedensky-Jurco
Reway-Stastny-Dano
Hudacek-Spirko-Bakos
Dravecky-Marcinko-Cehlarik
Lusnak,Skalicky

This team is quite young. As I mentioned in my roster is oldest guy Granak 15 guys borned in 1990 and later. This is exactly the generation we haven´t according to some voices after 2011 WCH I relly hope this team may be competitive.

 

[jcbio11]

Team Slovakia's GM Robert Svehla claiming NHL players don't have an automatic spot on the roster. Yeah, right. I think he's just still upset about the boycott. Does anybody have access to this artcle (it's behind a paywall)? I wanna know whether that quote was taken out of context or he actually means it.

http://sport.sme.sk/c/8163977/hokejisti-z-nhl-nemaju-istotu-nominacie-tvrdi-svehla.html

 

[Keram]

Team Slovakia's GM Robert Svehla claiming NHL players don't have an automatic spot on the roster. Yeah, right. I think he's just still upset about the boycott. Does anybody have access to this artcle (it's behind a paywall)? I wanna know whether that quote was taken out of context or he actually means it.

http://sport.sme.sk/c/8163977/hokejisti-z-nhl-nemaju-istotu-nominacie-tvrdi-svehla.html

Well I have not but I read at hokejportal.net that they are thinking! about Dano´s nomination and Jurco is in wider roster (sirsia nominacia I dont know translate it properly). IMO if Marincin had not so good last part of season they would not nominate him Ciger will really piss me if Detroit wont make play offs or will be eliminated and he wont nominate Jurco

 

[Speedthrash]

They don't want to secure a spot for an NHL-player who isn't playing regularly (Jurčo played last game on 13th of march) at the expense of a european-based player who played also the tournaments during the season.

If Jurčo comes, he will get the chance in pre-tournament games, he just doesn't have a secure spot.

 

[alko]

Well I have not but I read at hokejportal.net that they are thinking! about Dano´s nomination and Jurco is in wider roster (sirsia nominacia I dont know translate it properly). IMO if Marincin had not so good last part of season they would not nominate him Ciger will really piss me if Detroit wont make play offs or will be eliminated and he wont nominate Jurco

Imo it is a good decision. Jurco isnt any "Jagr" or different difference making player. He is good, but he isnt any special player. A lot of Europe based player are on his level. And they played full season.

 

[Keram]

Imo it is a good decision. Jurco isnt any "Jagr" or different difference making player. He is good, but he isnt any special player. A lot of Europe based player are on his level. And they played full season.

From Slovakia certainly not. I think it will be a mistake if Detroit will be eliminated 1st round which is before tournament starts and Jurco will be home and in that team will be players as Bartanus, Hrnka, Dravecky, Bakos, Dej, Skalicky, Lusnak etc. He is far better than them imo. It is true he has lack of games played but I really dont see better European players than him except Reway and Zaborsky who is irrelevant in this discussion.

 

[alko]

From Slovakia certainly not. I think it will be a mistake if Detroit will be eliminated 1st round which is before tournament starts and Jurco will be home and in that team will be players as Bartanus, Hrnka, Dravecky, Bakos, Dej, Skalicky, Lusnak etc. He is far better than them imo. It is true he has lack of games played but I really dont see better European players than him except Reway and Zaborsky who is irrelevant in this discussion.

It hasn't to be "better". Its good, when the other guys are on his level. And we can find such guys in Europe. Thats for sure.

 

[kabidjan18]

It hasn't to be "better". Its good, when the other guys are on his level. And we can find such guys in Europe. Thats for sure.

That's not for sure. A KHL top dog like Steve Moses couldn't score a point in the NHL. Victor Tikhonov saw his clip drop to a quarter of what it was. Tryamkin has seen his clip go down to less than half of what it was. Panarin is the best success story with just a 21% production drop off. The only depth charts which have had him on them (Keram and Krotak) list him as a first liner. If you could please list who is even close to his equal and why (and give numbers). I hear you Slovaks really pride yourselves in being better than the Latvians. You're going to play Dravecky who was outscored by Latvian 4th liner Roberts Bukarts. Bukarts also beat the clip Bakos set. The numbers are .61, .86, and .69 respectively. You're going to argue these guys are equal to Jurco? Marcinko=Jurco, really? The KHLe for the Extraliga is .58, so you have to convert from NHL to KHL then to Extraliga, these guys would never score a point in the NHL, or even commonly the AHL. An example of this the the ECHL defenseman who is Sparta's ace D man, Cajkovsky. Then you have Hudacek, Granak and Cehlarik, nice nice, three middle of pack SHL boys, a league dominated by former AHL and NCAA players (Lasch, Roe, Anderson, Gordon, Connolly) who didn't have near the stats Jurco had in his reconditioning stint (9 points in 5 games), don't see how they're as good as Jurco either. You're saying that you easily have 4 lines of forwards as good as Jurco, and I'm saying you're delusional.

 

[hmmsk]

Team Slovakia's GM Robert Svehla claiming NHL players don't have an automatic spot on the roster. Yeah, right. I think he's just still upset about the boycott. Does anybody have access to this artcle (it's behind a paywall)? I wanna know whether that quote was taken out of context or he actually means it.

http://sport.sme.sk/c/8163977/hokejisti-z-nhl-nemaju-istotu-nominacie-tvrdi-svehla.html

He meant it, but out of context it sounds like its more about Dano, maybe Marincin, but def not Sekera.

EDIT: and 99% sure Hrivik ain't coming

 

[hmmsk]

That's not for sure. A KHL top dog like Steve Moses couldn't score a point in the NHL. Victor Tikhonov saw his clip drop to a quarter of what it was. Tryamkin has seen his clip go down to less than half of what it was. Panarin is the best success story with just a 21% production drop off. The only depth charts which have had him on them (Keram and Krotak) list him as a first liner. If you could please list who is even close to his equal and why (and give numbers). I hear you Slovaks really pride yourselves in being better than the Latvians. You're going to play Dravecky who was outscored by Latvian 4th liner Roberts Bukarts. Bukarts also beat the clip Bakos set. The numbers are .61, .86, and .69 respectively. You're going to argue these guys are equal to Jurco? Marcinko=Jurco, really? The KHLe for the Extraliga is .58, so you have to convert from NHL to KHL then to Extraliga, these guys would never score a point in the NHL, or even commonly the AHL. An example of this the the ECHL defenseman who is Sparta's ace D man, Cajkovsky. Then you have Hudacek, Granak and Cehlarik, nice nice, three middle of pack SHL boys, a league dominated by former AHL and NCAA players (Lasch, Roe, Anderson, Gordon, Connolly) who didn't have near the stats Jurco had in his reconditioning stint (9 points in 5 games), don't see how they're as good as Jurco either. You're saying that you easily have 4 lines of forwards as good as Jurco, and I'm saying you're delusional.

People underestimate Jurco because how he's played at the international level for Slovakia Men in the past, that's all. But he's definately better than e.g. a Bartanus. The difference is Jurco never played to his potential and looked bad because of that, the other guys just don't have it in them

 

[kabidjan18]

People underestimate Jurco because how he's played at the international level for Slovakia Men in the past, that's all. But he's definately better than e.g. a Bartanus. The difference is Jurco never played to his potential and looked bad because of that, the other guys just don't have it in them

Fair enough. I'm a wings fan and he's a good player (not that we don't want to upgrade him but). Hopefully if we don't win the cup this year he lives up to his billing.

 

[alko]

That's not for sure. A KHL top dog like Steve Moses couldn't score a point in the NHL. Victor Tikhonov saw his clip drop to a quarter of what it was. Tryamkin has seen his clip go down to less than half of what it was. Panarin is the best success story with just a 21% production drop off. The only depth charts which have had him on them (Keram and Krotak) list him as a first liner. If you could please list who is even close to his equal and why (and give numbers). I hear you Slovaks really pride yourselves in being better than the Latvians. You're going to play Dravecky who was outscored by Latvian 4th liner Roberts Bukarts. Bukarts also beat the clip Bakos set. The numbers are .61, .86, and .69 respectively. You're going to argue these guys are equal to Jurco? Marcinko=Jurco, really? The KHLe for the Extraliga is .58, so you have to convert from NHL to KHL then to Extraliga, these guys would never score a point in the NHL, or even commonly the AHL. An example of this the the ECHL defenseman who is Sparta's ace D man, Cajkovsky. Then you have Hudacek, Granak and Cehlarik, nice nice, three middle of pack SHL boys, a league dominated by former AHL and NCAA players (Lasch, Roe, Anderson, Gordon, Connolly) who didn't have near the stats Jurco had in his reconditioning stint (9 points in 5 games), don't see how they're as good as Jurco either. You're saying that you easily have 4 lines of forwards as good as Jurco, and I'm saying you're delusional.

Ok. But you have to look, what could be his position? First 2 offensive lines are full. Is he a a 3th line winger, which has mainly defensive tasks? No, Jurco isnt that type. He is offensive guy. And as a offensive guy, he should play on PP. For defensive game, yes, i think that Dravecky is better as him.

 

[kabidjan18]

Ok. But you have to look, what could be his position? First 2 offensive lines are full. Is he a a 3th line winger, which has mainly defensive tasks? No, Jurco isnt that type. He is offensive guy. And as a offensive guy, he should play on PP. For defensive game, yes, i think that Dravecky is better as him.

You named 1 player. 1 single player better "defensively", when according to you only the first 2 lines are better than him. There need to be 4, yes, 4 lines. Secondly I would dispute the claim that the first two lines are better than him. It's hard converting KHL to NHL because the amount of uncertainty that comes with style of play and ability to adjust to the speed of the game. If we cut Viedensky's production by a quarter (Tikhonov) we get 6 points, Jurco also has 6 points, but in 14 less theoretical games. If we slash Stastny's performance by quarter we get 5.5 points in the same number of games (not counting playoffs where Stastny went awol). The Tryamkin model is evening out as he plays more games and continues not to score, Tryamkin could also easily see his production from NHL to KHL be quartered as well. A player like Moses never scored in the NHL. Then we have to assume a certain number of players from the NHL will already be there, or else just fill in the players I already addressed above. They'll need all three of Dano, Tatar, and Panik (whose Blackhawks are pretty good). Then there's Martin Reway. The fact is, if Reway could play in the NHL right away he would. Montreal has asked him to play AHL first. Despite trade rumors and Montreal obviously having no plans for him, no team traded for him which indicates what they think he's worth (certainly not an immediate NHL contributor). Jurco is already in the NHL. He has been in the NHL for a while. By conversion factor of NHLe and then KHLe to either the NLA or Extraliga Reway's stats would not be so impressive, and his defensive game is . Jurco struggled in the last WC, but posturing is just that, if he is available and the federation doesn't take him they can expect an earful when they miss the playoffs.

 

[hmmsk]

Ok. But you have to look, what could be his position? First 2 offensive lines are full. Is he a a 3th line winger, which has mainly defensive tasks? No, Jurco isnt that type. He is offensive guy. And as a offensive guy, he should play on PP. For defensive game, yes, i think that Dravecky is better as him.

Jurco plays less than 15 mins a game so you can expect him to have to fulfill plenty of defensive duties, against much better opponents, in a much faster league. Even if you take the leap of faith and say Dravecky is better defensively, Jurco still has that offensive upside that Dravecky doesn't. I like Dravecky, but if I really had to choose between the two for the 3rd or 4th line, Jurco every time.

 

[ergi24]

Chara say no, Daloga is injured

 

[Namejs]

You're going to play Dravecky who was outscored by Latvian 4th liner Roberts Bukarts. Bukarts also beat the clip Bakos set. The numbers are .61, .86, and .69 respectively. You're going to argue these guys are equal to Jurco? Marcinko=Jurco, really?

That's not a fair comparison. Bukarts is not a 4th liner, he's a good top 6 forward at the European level. If all of our best forwards were available, he wouldn't make the cut. But he's never been and never going to be a 4th liner. He's playing on the 2B line right now in exhibition games with the Latvian national team.

Also, he's defensively irresponsible or the exact opposite of Dravecky. Seeing how Dravecky was brought up because of his defensive two-way smarts, I don't think you should be focusing solely on offensive production.

 

[Kamzik]

Chara say no, Daloga is injured

Chara and Daloga no, Marcincin and Sekera yes.

As a Toronto fan, I am pleased with the season Marincin had and I think he can really help SVK. In terms of corsi numbers, Martin proved to be a solid NHL defensive defenceman. He even showed flashes of offence, his pass to set up Nylander's goal versus the Flyers was beautiful. In the spring, Marincin lead the Leafs in ice-time on numerous occasions.

 

[Elvs]

Christan Jaros is going to be really good. He's young and still makes some mistakes, but he's made som real good plays for Lulea in the playoffs both offensively and defensively.

 

[alko]

Christan Jaros is going to be really good. He's young and still makes some mistakes, but he's made som real good plays for Lulea in the playoffs both offensively and defensively.

Lets see, what he will show in the pre-tournament games. Is he locked to Lulea also for next season?

 

[Elvs]

Lets see, what he will show in the pre-tournament games. Is he locked to Lulea also for next season?

Yes he has with Lulea for next season. Was loaned to Allsvenskan in the beginning of the season, but after he was recalled again he looked great down the strecth.

Cehlarik is leaving Lulea, wants to give it a try in North America. He has skills and can go on hot streaks, but I doubt he will be able to carve out an NHL career for himself. Should be bound for the Providence Bruins next season.

Jaros has more versatile upside. I think it will be easier for him to find a role in the NHL. I truly believe he becomes an NHL player and he might even have top 4 upside.

Regardless of what happens, both should be solid players for Slovakias national team for years to come.