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WC: 2016 Team Canada Pt. II

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McDavid with a nice move off the faceoff but then he gave it away!
 
s7ark said:
I'm just letting other posters know that your opinions about Hall are very biased. I have seen turnovers today from many Canadians, including McDavid. But Hall is the only one getting singled out by you.
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Thank you. I'll add him to my ignore list.
 
Hall with another direct pass to the Czech's right before the game ends.

Overall Canada looked pretty bad. Only one line was going.
 
McDuul said:
I already said I'm posting primarily about the Oilers players. I mentioned McDavid leaving the zone too early and it caused a big chance for the Czech's.

I have only seen one other player directly pass the puck to the other team this game. Hall has done it three times. More of the same from him. I don't see how it's biased for an Oilers fan to be writing about how Oilers players are performing.

Hall is standing out in a bad way. Most of the players this game are invisible.
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Nothing wrong with an Oiler fan commenting on Oilers or other players. I'm just letting folks know about your bias. You only notice bad things from Hall and gloss over what he does well. I saw turnovers from Duchene, Reinhart, ROR and others.

On topic, pretty rusty game from all of team Canada. I'm sure they'll shake it off as the games go along. Nice goal by McDavid. He goes from no space to puck in the back of the net so quickly it looks effortless.
 
Who's up for some TimBits?

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I actually thought we looked pretty good. They couldn't make a pass, fumbled the puck a lot, couldn't find each other, etc. But that's to be expected with a month off, jet lag, never playing together before, and adjusting to a different rink.

I thought the D-pairings were pretty effective, didn't let any big chances up the middle or get burned up the side, Matheson actually impressed me a couple times, controlled his gap well in the neutral zone. Forward lines will need some juggling for sure, but that's fine.
 
Mr Writer said:
Ya, on big ice, I prefer him on LW. Duchene has even said it himself, he prefers LW on Big Ice. When Perry is in that better change.
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If Peters is committed to that trio (McDavid-Duchene-Marchand) he'd be better off trying Marchand at RW, probably. The fact is McDavid needs a really strong skater to keep pace and ride shotgun with him, and Hall or Duchene best fit the bill. Personally I'd give the following lineup a shot at the next exhibition game:

Hall - McDavid - Perry
Marchand - Duchene - Gallagher
Jenner - O'Reilly - Stone
Domi - Brassard - Schiefele
Reinhart
 
86Habs said:
If Peters is committed to that trio (McDavid-Duchene-Marchand) he'd be better off trying Marchand at RW, probably. The fact is McDavid needs a really strong skater to keep pace and ride shotgun with him, and Hall or Duchene best fit the bill. Personally I'd give the following lineup a shot at the next exhibition game:

Hall - McDavid - Perry
Marchand - Duchene - Gallagher
Jenner - O'Reilly - Stone
Domi - Brassard - Schiefele
Reinhart
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I believe that's the exact lineup I posted a while back..other than I had ROR 2C. but where they fit 2 or 3 not that big of a deal. or my other option was moving Brassard 3C and ROR LW. Jenner is a capable 4th center. I want my most experienced guys playing the most and at their best when it comes to crunch time. This team is just too young and inexperienced to think you can roll 4 lines and 3 pairs of D in an attempt to balance things out. it won't work.
 
86Habs said:
If Peters is committed to that trio (McDavid-Duchene-Marchand) he'd be better off trying Marchand at RW, probably. The fact is McDavid needs a really strong skater to keep pace and ride shotgun with him, and Hall or Duchene best fit the bill. Personally I'd give the following lineup a shot at the next exhibition game:

Hall - McDavid - Perry
Marchand - Duchene - Gallagher
Jenner - O'Reilly - Stone
Domi - Brassard - Schiefele
Reinhart
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I would change it a bit. Hall excels in frantic games. He needs the puck and he needs it a lot to succeed. He was awful with McDavid during the season. I think McDavid needs two very strong board players on a line with him.

Marchand-McDavid-Perry
Hall-Duchene-Schiefele
Jenner-O'Reilly-Gallagher
Domi-Brassard-Stone
Reinhart
 
Mr Writer said:
I believe that's the exact lineup I posted a while back..other than I had ROR 2C. but where they fit 2 or 3 not that big of a deal. or my other option was moving Brassard 3C and ROR LW. Jenner is a capable 4th center. I want my most experienced guys playing the most and at their best when it comes to crunch time. This team is just too young and inexperienced to think you can roll 4 lines and 3 pairs of D in an attempt to balance things out. it won't work.
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Seems like a reasonable approach. Brassard is probably under/misutilized at 4C, and O'Reilly is versatile enough to play any forward position

McDuul said:
I would change it a bit. Hall excels in frantic games. He needs the puck and he needs it a lot to succeed. He was awful with McDavid during the season. I think McDavid needs two very strong board players on a line with him.

Marchand-McDavid-Perry
Hall-Duchene-Schiefele
Jenner-O'Reilly-Gallagher
Domi-Brassard-Stone
Reinhart
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Duchene is sort of the same as Hall, in that he is a puck-dominant player. Duchene and Hall were pretty awful together at the 2013 Worlds, but that was 3 years ago and both guys have developed since then. I'd be a bit concerned with the speed on McDavid's wings on the first line, though. Perry is not a good skater, and while Marchand is a very good skater, he's not on the same level as McDavid / Duchene / Hall. What you're saying makes sense, and worth a shot...we may see it next game when Marchand returns and Perry suits up.

I guess that's what these exhibition games are for, to work out the kinks and see who can develop some chemistry.
 
86Habs said:
Seems like a reasonable approach. Brassard is probably under/misutilized at 4C, and O'Reilly is versatile enough to play any forward position



Duchene is sort of the same as Hall, in that he is a puck-dominant player. Duchene and Hall were pretty awful together at the 2013 Worlds, but that was 3 years ago and both guys have developed since then. I'd be a bit concerned with the speed on McDavid's wings on the first line, though. Perry is not a good skater, and while Marchand is a very good skater, he's not on the same level as McDavid / Duchene / Hall. What you're saying makes sense, and worth a shot...we may see it next game when Marchand returns and Perry suits up.

I guess that's what these exhibition games are for, to work out the kinks and see who can develop some chemistry.
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do you ever find it funny how Hockey Canada works so hard to sell the country on the best way to build the team for the World Juniors, the age trumps talent mantra...and yet completely throws that playbook out the window when it comes to this tournament. Understandable to a point, there's only so much HC can do for this one...but still, I shake my head and laugh at the Hockey Canada double standard. I like the young players approach, but this is pushing it imo. Hope for the best. maybe we'll get a welcomed surprise at the conclusion of the 2nd rd and get some experience coming over. I won't hold my breath though.
 
Mr Writer said:
do you ever find it funny how Hockey Canada works so hard to sell the country on the best way to build the team for the World Juniors, the age trumps talent mantra...and yet completely throws that playbook out the window when it comes to this tournament. Understandable to a point, there's only so much HC can do for this one...but still, I shake my head and laugh at the Hockey Canada double standard. I like the young players approach, but this is pushing it imo. Hope for the best. maybe we'll get a welcomed surprise at the conclusion of the 2nd rd and get some experience coming over. I won't hold my breath though.
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Yeah, this year is really pushing it. Our top 6-8 forwards are probably as good as we can expect to get in most years (last year being the exception), while our top 4 defencemen are what I would call "pretty good". Bottom three are young and relatively unknown commodities.

I'm not sure why this year's team has ended up the way it has...a lot of teams that missed the playoffs this year are the perennial losers and the guys who Hockey Canada repeatedly taps on the shoulder are frankly probably sick of flying over to Europe (Duchene, ROR, Hall notwithstanding). I would have liked to have seen Ekblad make the trip, and one of Brodie or Giordano. The Flames players are in the running for the World Cup squad, so there's no real reason why they wouldn't want to be here.

Maybe its the location? I mean, Russia isn't exactly on my top-10 places to go list.
 
86Habs said:
Maybe its the location? I mean, Russia isn't exactly on my top-10 places to go list.
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Russia is one of the most beautiful countries in the world.
You do not know?.
I have been in many countries but so beautiful like Russia, I have not seen
 
86Habs said:
Seems like a reasonable approach. Brassard is probably under/misutilized at 4C, and O'Reilly is versatile enough to play any forward position



Duchene is sort of the same as Hall, in that he is a puck-dominant player. Duchene and Hall were pretty awful together at the 2013 Worlds, but that was 3 years ago and both guys have developed since then. I'd be a bit concerned with the speed on McDavid's wings on the first line, though. Perry is not a good skater, and while Marchand is a very good skater, he's not on the same level as McDavid / Duchene / Hall. What you're saying makes sense, and worth a shot...we may see it next game when Marchand returns and Perry suits up.

I guess that's what these exhibition games are for, to work out the kinks and see who can develop some chemistry.
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I would argue that McDavid found most of his success playing with Maroon who is one of the slowest guys in the NHL and Eberle who is an average skater at best.
 
Mr Writer said:
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that's all well and good, and if this were the 2020 World Hockey Championships, then perhaps I wouldn't be as skeptical.

I get it, a Panthers fan is hyped to see a Panthers prospect show his stuff at an international tournament...but from my perspective I'm concerned about 2 things, this tournament and how that relates to winning the 2018 Olympics. (assuming of course it's an NHL Olympics). The question of who's going to assume Campbell's minutes in 2 years time is not really that high on my priority list today. And as I look at the roster for this year's team, there are only 5 players that may have a shot at the 2018 team and none of them are defenseman. And as a Hockey Canada fan, I would have liked that number twice that.

but anyway...what can you do...watch and enjoy as McDavid Mcdangles.
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So the same could be said about Muzzin, Davidson and any of the other guys.
Ekblad's the one exception (not sure of his reason yet) but rather him rest for World Cup/busy upcoming season ahead.


Edit : Brodie could be World Cup guy I guess as well.
 
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CanadianPantherFan said:
So the same could be said about Muzzin, Davidson and any of the other guys.
Ekblad's the one exception (not sure of his reason yet) but rather him rest for World Cup/busy upcoming season ahead.
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He should skip the Young Gunz if he needs the rest.

I read a Hall interview, he admit that the World Cup spot played a role in his decision to participate this year. Also, I didn't realize that Peters had coached Hall, Duchene and O'Reilly at the 2008 Ivan Hlinka.
 
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