As long as Pittsburgh qualify for the playoffs and then lose in 1st round, it's all good
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As long as Pittsburgh qualify for the playoffs and then lose in 1st round, it's all good
613Leafer
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Depends where we're picking. Top 2 or 3, we take a forward. If we're sitting at 4th OA, I think there's a good chance we a take a dman.
Defencemen take longer to develop, barring exceptions like Doughty, most top D prospects take 4-6 years post draft to develop into 40+ point top pairing dmen. e.g. Hedman, OEL, McDonagh, Carlson, Josi, Subban, Keith, etc. Forwards on the otherhand often only take ~2-4 years to become 60+ point players.
So with Nylander/Marner already in the system, plus the bulk of our farm being biased towards scoring forwards (e.g. Kapanen, Hyman, Brown, Johnson, Timashov, Bracco, etc), our forward group at the NHL level already projects to be pretty decent within 1.5-2 years. Our defence though doesnt project to be good for maybe 4+ years, and maybe not at all given the lack of legitimate blue chip pieces we have on the blueline outside of Rielly.
Either way, I hope we end up with a F and D between our pick and the Pittsburgh pick. Up front while we are deep, we could use more two-way guys with size such as Puljujarvi, Dubois, Rubstov, etc.
Woll Smoth
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TBL vs PHI -> Takes away Philly's game in hand, puts them 5 point back of PIT with time running out
BUF vs TOR -> Toronto has almost locked up last place in the conference.
BOS vs FLA -> Just to keep the wildcard teams in the wildcard spots.
ARI vs COL -> This game ALMOST doesn't matter. Arizona is 10 points up with 1 GP more than the Leafs.
SJS vs CAL -> Most important thing is Calgary picks up 2 points here.29th with a 6 point gap. If the hockey gods decide to smile upon us SJS takes the game to OT to keep the PIT pick as low as possible.
WSH vs ANA -> Relates slightly to the PIT pick. Almost a non factor at this point
VAN vs LAK -> If this game goes to OT, perfect. Otherwise, a VAN win affects our pick less than LAK winning would affect the Pens pick. Normally I prioritize the Leafs pick, but VAN is 10 points up on the Leafs, LAK is only 4 points up on the Pens.
TBL vs PHI -> Takes away Philly's game in hand, puts them 5 point back of PIT with time running out
BUF vs TOR -> Toronto has almost locked up last place in the conference.
BOS vs FLA -> Just to keep the wildcard teams in the wildcard spots.
ARI vs COL -> This game ALMOST doesn't matter. Arizona is 10 points up with 1 GP more than the Leafs.
SJS vs CAL -> Most important thing is Calgary picks up 2 points here.29th with a 6 point gap. If the hockey gods decide to smile upon us SJS takes the game to OT to keep the PIT pick as low as possible.
WSH vs ANA -> Relates slightly to the PIT pick. Almost a non factor at this point
VAN vs LAK -> If this game goes to OT, perfect. Otherwise, a VAN win affects our pick less than LAK winning would affect the Pens pick. Normally I prioritize the Leafs pick, but VAN is 10 points up on the Leafs, LAK is only 4 points up on the Pens.
WTFMAN99
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I'd like JVR to stick around and be on Nylander's wing full time next year personally.
Daisy Jane
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i had to switch computers and I have a pro and con list so i'll post it once i switch back - but truthfully - I honestly feel depending on what happens w/the lottery balls and Stamkos (i know that you're not keen) - Kadri gets moved out this summer for defensive help.
like I said - i think a lot of people are united with the whole mercenaries must go, but it truly feels like when it comes to peeling away other aspects that actually hurt no one wants to do any of it.
as of right now JVR/Kadri are equal. (in terms of either one of them could go)
if we win Matthews sign Stamkos - Kadri's looking not so hot.
I know Bozak gets tossed out there - but he does only have one more year (after next, - or next year IS his last year). he's starting to get glassy himself - they easily could re-sign him for another two years at a lesser cap hit for depth until Freddy/Carrick/WHOMEVER is good to go vs. Kadri at some people are saying 5.5 mill (ookay there).
WTFMAN99
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I have a few plans in my head personally..
If we drafted Matthews - trade Bozak, don't sign Stamkos
If we don't draft Matthews and don't sign Stamkos - Keep Bozak(3C), Kadri (1C), and Nylander (2C)
If we don't draft Matthews and sign Stamkos (not a fan but there is a chance). Trade whichever of Bozak or Kadri gets us the best defenseman possible, even if we need to add assets.
In terms of JVR, at the very least keep him this year to give Nylander a competent winger to break into the league with. It's so sad right now watching Grabner flub some of the passes Nylander has given him.
In full agreement with this, except I trade Bozak regardless. His value will never be higher (imo) and we can fill the 3C role with a UFA or player in the system.
Don't want anything to do with Stamkos, mainly because this team isn't ready to take the next step, and we'd be essentially paying him through the remainder of his prime to lose/be a bubble/fringe team.
Daisy Jane
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it's going to be so interesting how this plays out.
like it could be like Price(David) and Toronto doesn't even make him an offer (ooh i can just hear the phonelines jangling now).
it could be that we do - and he says no
we do and he says yes (it's just the whole "all the Ontario Boys come home thing - i just find it v. hard to believe that the first crack at a Ontario Boy they'll not at least try - though i do agree with your sentiments.
I do think whatever value bozak had is gone, unless we retain 50%
like i said. he's glassy
FlareKnight
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I more or less agree with this breakdown for things.
If we get a Matthews or Stamkos then we can probably move out a Bozak/Kadri. Though if we want some more defensive help then it would have to be Kadri. Not sure really what you get for Bozak at this point.
I agree that keeping JVR is probably a good move for now. Gives the young guys a skilled winger with experience for the time being. Something that will probably be helpful. I mean if an amazing trade is out there then sure go for it, but moves have to make sense.
I don't have a problem going after Stamkos and making that signing. If it doesn't work out then I won't lose any sleep though. I just like the positives for that move.
Daisy Jane
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or it could be Nazem.
this is how I see it.
Pros to JVR:
two year contract favourable cap hit
been in the league forever
talks about his mentoring w/Pronger [v important]
steady #1 line player
has playoff experience
good point production in the playoffs
has cup final experience.
Cons to JVR
could demand a higher payout as result of being favourable contracted
no move (maybe. someone is saying it might not count, but we'll go w/it does) - so if he sucks/Babcock hates him, whatever
can be lazy (my feeling)
is a winger and sucks at being a centre
Pros to Kadri
really worked on his two way game
can draw penalties like no one's business
is a centre
still around the same age-ish as JVR
2 more controllable years before RFA
Cons
the drawing penalties thing might work against him soon - then it's not a benefit
depending on how the lottery balls work/UFA signings: due to skill, could find himself down the line up at centre. - and he is not a winger. (so ppl on the board tell me).
could demand a high payout.
for me - Bozak is just there. like honestly my biggest issue with Bozak was very well publicized, however, he's gone contractually this year. I wouldn't kick him out the door - and with the centre depth (fingers crossed) do get - show he can say healthy. I would be investigating if we can get something for him (if the centre position in UFA is comparable for him).
(this is going off a previous conversation)
canadon
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Thank you very much for these. Makes following the games through the night so much easier and fun. Much appreciated.
TheGroceryStick
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If someone offered;
Mikhail Sergachyov + (Project/NHLer) for Kadri
Lets say: 10th + Josefson
Would you consider?
Mikhail Sergachyov + (Project/NHLer) for Kadri
Lets say: 10th + Josefson
Would you consider?
Depends on Kadri's contract demands. If he's willing to sign for <$5M, then no. If he's holder out for >$6M, then absolutely. If he's somewhere in the middle (likely), then depends on who we take with our 1st pick and whether or not we think we will sign Stamkos. That's about fair value for Kadri, though.
kk87
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I like Kadri, but I would do this pretty easily if we can get one of those high end defensemen for him.
bobermay
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I have doubt that any NHL club would offer this package. Leafs would take it in a heartbeat.
p.l.f.
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p.l.f.
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I don't agree with you but I am not going to get in to never ending debate, we really need to look at this objectively
First of all I would sign Stamkos for $11-12 M / year. Kadri is the only experienced center with some skill and has played extremely well this year under extremely difficult situation (do I need to emphasize) and we really do not need some one who is just there. JVR is no doubt a top 6 winger with below average defensive skills and at times is just a passenger, despite all that he can get us a D we are looking for plus prospect / pick
As far as I am concerned there is no future for Bozak on this team
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I'm of a different mind set.
JUST for argument and fantasy sake.
Lets say we get #1 Mathews
Stammer makes it to UFA and we land him also
Maybe we land Zaitsev , maybe zait can be a 3/4 in time?
Gards as a 3/4
Reils as a 1/2
So we are looking for a D 1/2 and we are probably/ possibly looking for a #1 tender?
If we land both stammer,mathews , that can free up JVR,Kadri,Bozak as trade bait for the 1/2 D or tender or both.
The Man with a Plan
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It would take at least that to even start a conversation imho.
I would rather see us use some of our picks and Bozak packaged for our needs then moving Kadri.
He has done a lot to improve his game this year and it will only get better as he starts to fully mature and get better/consistent linemates.
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