GDT: 2016 Stanley Cup Playoffs thread

[NotOpie]

That's 3 minutes and 11 seconds I can never get back.

 

[A Star is Burns]

While your guys were watching who we shouldn't acquire, I was watching Frederick Andersen post up an 18 save shutout. For crying out loud, he took a slapshot to the facemask by Shea Weber in the 2nd period and still managed to make every save. I would look hard at Andersen this offseason, despite the controversies with his agent.

Still a lot of butt hurt out there on that one, but I'm over it. I'd take him.

 

[DaveG]

While your guys were watching who we shouldn't acquire, I was watching Frederick Andersen post up an 18 save shutout. For crying out loud, he took a slapshot to the facemask by Shea Weber in the 2nd period and still managed to make every save. I would look hard at Andersen this offseason, despite the controversies with his agent.

I still would at the very least insist that he ****-cans his agent otherwise no dice. He's ****ed this team over more then once.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Yzerman is looking smart right now by not caving to Drouin's demands and not trading him for lesser value. Guy has been quite impressive in the playoffs so far. Yeah, small sample, but I've been impressed.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I still would at the very least insist that he ****-cans his agent otherwise no dice. He's ****ed this team over more then once.

Was the other time Hofmann? I think he tried to on Gregory Hofmann, but wasn't able to re-enter him into the draft because of lack of a transfer agreement with the Swiss league. I don't think it matters much though as it doesn't appear that Hofmann has much of an NHL career, does he?

I honestly don't blame Andersen nor his agent. At the time, he was looking at coming to a team where he thought he had no chance of winning a starting role.

EDIT: and even if his agent (Winters?) had and issue with the Canes, maybe it was with JR himself and things might be different with Francis in charge.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Yzerman is looking smart right now by not caving to Drouin's demands and not trading him for lesser value. Guy has been quite impressive in the playoffs so far. Yeah, small sample, but I've been impressed.

I've wanted him from the get go, but Yzerman knew what he had in him, wasn't going to let him go cheap.

 

[DaveG]

Was the other time Hofmann? I think he tried to on Gregory Hofmann, but wasn't able to re-enter him into the draft because of lack of a transfer agreement with the Swiss league. I don't think it matters much though as it doesn't appear that Hofmann has much of an NHL career, does he?

I honestly don't blame Andersen nor his agent. At the time, he was looking at coming to a team where he thought he had no chance of winning a starting role.

EDIT: and even if his agent (Winters?) had and issue with the Canes, maybe it was with JR himself and things might be different with Francis in charge.

Could have been with JR but still, fact of the matter is we're dealing with a guy that recommended that two of his clients not sign here and re-enter the draft, and the reasoning on the very one we're talking about re-acquiring is that his competition for the backup role was an impending UFA Dan Ellis and Justin ****ing Peters? Only to sign immediately with a far more loaded Anaheim franchise that already had Hiller, Fasth, and Gibson in the pipeline at the time? It was the utter height of hypocrisy.

Sorry, but until he tells Winter to get ****ed I have zero faith that we wouldn't simply be giving up assets for a guy that would just hold out on us for one year in the SHL and then jump the next season to wherever as a UFA.

 

[Unsustainable]

Wonder what the leagues response will be for Shaw yelling the F word.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

Could have been with JR but still, fact of the matter is we're dealing with a guy that recommended that two of his clients not sign here and re-enter the draft, and the reasoning on the very one we're talking about re-acquiring is that his competition for the backup role was an impending UFA Dan Ellis and Justin ****ing Peters? Only to sign immediately with a far more loaded Anaheim franchise that already had Hiller, Fasth, and Gibson in the pipeline at the time? It was the utter height of hypocrisy.

Sorry, but until he tells Winter to get ****ed I have zero faith that we wouldn't simply be giving up assets for a guy that would just hold out on us for one year in the SHL and then jump the next season to wherever as a UFA.

It might have been Cam Ward, though. Former number one who was the franchise starting goalie before injures derailed him. There's no doubt in my mind that Andersen is starting goalie calibre and I feel like he deserves to start on any team he plays for (That may have been Winter's thought as well).

Francis, being a former player himself, could know how to deal with agents like Winters (maybe?). Parting with Staal and potentially reacquiring Andersen should be enough to indicate that we're ready to move on from Ward as well, who may have prevented a starting role from Andersen in the first place.

Wonder what the leagues response will be for Shaw yelling the F word.

Is that what happened last night? I saw the same thing a few nights ago with this one.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Could have been with JR but still, fact of the matter is we're dealing with a guy that recommended that two of his clients not sign here and re-enter the draft, and the reasoning on the very one we're talking about re-acquiring is that his competition for the backup role was an impending UFA Dan Ellis and Justin ****ing Peters? Only to sign immediately with a far more loaded Anaheim franchise that already had Hiller, Fasth, and Gibson in the pipeline at the time? It was the utter height of hypocrisy.

I disagree a bit. At the time, Ward was signed for 4-5 more years and was the entrenched starter, no question about it. Hiller had 2 more years and was a UFA. Fasth was only signed for that 1 year before becoming a UFA. And Gibson was unproven and only drafted 1 year before Andersen was (the 2nd time).

Unless Ward fell off (which he did, but nobody expected), the view was there was no way Andersen would be anything but a back-up in Carolina until Ward's contract expired, which was 4-5 years. Regardless of the number of goalies, Andersen could be competing for a job 2-3 year sooner in Anaheim.

I'm not sure where it stands, but from what I can tell, Winter had a falling out with Lemieux so Andersen "may" not be his client any longer. Don't know for sure.

http://pucksofafeather.com/2015/11/...lindholm-contract-extensions-on-hold-for-now/

Also, Winter originally founded and was CEO of "The Sports Corporation" who Sebastian Aho is a client of. I've seen that he sold that in 2011, but the Sports Corporation still list Getzlaf as a client and that article I linked above lists Winter as Getzlaf's agent. Anyone know who Aho's agent is?

EDIT: And I'm guessing the Francis wouldn't even think of trading for Andersen's rights without receiving permission to speak to him (I think that's allowed?) to understand his intentions.

 

[DaveG]

There's no doubt that Ward played a part. But the argument at the time he spurned us was in him having no opportunity to even make the NHL. When his competition for backup time here was mediocre at best and Ward had already established a reputation of being unable to stay healthy.

If this were 2009 where Ward was still healthy and going strong year after year and Peters was still regarded as a decent NHL prospect I could buy it, but not in 2012. Enough had been proven by then to know that that was pure BS and that Andersen would get his opportunity here even if on just a temporary basis.

Again, given his agent I'd be highly concerned about him simply holding out and then walking as a UFA next year. At best I think it would end up in arbitration... with him walking as a UFA next year.

 

[Unsustainable]

It might have been Cam Ward, though. Former number one who was the franchise starting goalie before injures derailed him. There's no doubt in my mind that Andersen is starting goalie calibre and I feel like he deserves to start on any team he plays for (That may have been Winter's thought as well).

Francis, being a former player himself, could know how to deal with agents like Winters (maybe?). Parting with Staal and potentially reacquiring Andersen should be enough to indicate that we're ready to move on from Ward as well, who may have prevented a starting role from Andersen in the first place.


Is that what happened last night? I saw the same thing a few nights ago with this one.

ESPN is running the story.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

ESPN is running the story.

Right now? I get ESPN1 and ESPN2 but not ESPNnews

 

[Unsustainable]

Right now? I get ESPN1 and ESPN2 but not ESPNnews

Mentioned on Radio, and on the website.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

After this situation, it's going to be hard for Chicago to get a good return on Shaw. I'd still take him, like many others have said, if its a Versteeg type deal.

 

[Unsustainable]

After this situation, it's going to be hard for Chicago to get a good return on Shaw. I'd still take him, like many others have said, if its a Versteeg type deal.

Shaw would be redundant with Nest and Nord.

NYR and TBL is who should be looking to take RFAs from.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

That's 3 minutes and 11 seconds I can never get back.

it can never be unheard!!!!

 

[AD Skinner]

Shaw would be redundant with Nest and Nord.

NYR and TBL is who should be looking to take RFAs from.

I don't think either of them can set up in front of the crease the way Shaw can, nor have they shown the ability to really pester opposing players the way he does. Nest/Nord are good players but I don't think Shaw would have a problem carving a niche for himself here. If he is the biggest fish the Canes go after then that's a problem.

 

[Swag Surf Aho]

Call it conservative but I'm having a hard time thinking that the Ronald will shell out boatloads of cash to acquire a big fish. The rebuild under his reign is being executed to a tee so far. Draft and develop and poach a few teams that are struggling to stay under the cap.

IF there's a major change to be made it'd be at goalie with the expansion draft coming up. Tampa, Anaheim, and Boston have two really good goalies but can only keep one sometime in the next few years.

We're subjected to lose one of Nesty, Nordy, and McGinn already, so it's not efficient to give up assets or money to anyone (UFA or trade), unless we're absolutely fleecing the other team.

 

[Stickpucker]

it can never be unheard!!!!

Do you want to go to a club where people wee on each other?

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Do you want to go to a club where people wee on each other?

what is wrong w/ just plain ole sex?

why does everywhere have to complicate things?

 

[AD Skinner]

You ever drink baileys from a shoe

 

[Roboturner913]

You ever drink baileys from a shoe

No, but I drank Old Crow from a homeless guy's thermos once

what is wrong w/ just plain ole sex?

As I have to explain to my wife every.single.time. this is just plain old sex. The midget and goats are simply there for observational purposes.

 

[NotOpie]

it can never be unheard!!!!

"Got any grapes"?

I don't think either of them can set up in front of the crease the way Shaw can, nor have they shown the ability to really pester opposing players the way he does. Nest/Nord are good players but I don't think Shaw would have a problem carving a niche for himself here. If he is the biggest fish the Canes go after then that's a problem.

I actually think Nesty easily can serve that role. But if I can't get one of Kreider or Miller (maybe Hayes), then I'd be inclined to make a run at Alex Killorn.....who can and does set up in front of the crease.

 

[WreckingCrew]

Laughton just got taken off on a stretcher after an awkward hit/fall into the boards...hoping he's ok