OT: 2016 Red Sox/MLB Regular Season V - "And down the stretch they come!"

[CharasLazyWrister]

David Ortiz: never seen a called strike he didn't complain about for 20 minutes afterward.

I'm kind of embarrassed as an O's fan that they pitch to Betts the way they do. Here's an idea: knock him down, like what used to be done. If you hit him, whatever.

You're right. It's really dumb. Actually, what was really stupid was Pedroia *****ing about that strike three call the other night that was clearly a perfect pitch. He choked with the bases chucked and couldn't deal with it.

That still has nothing to do with what we're talking about, but as expected and as is the easiest way out of all points made by a Red Sox fan, "just bring up David Ortiz".

 

[Johnnyduke]

Actually, Ortiz still complains sometimes but that is one area he has matured quite a bit over the years. Back a while, there was a time Ortiz complained all the time a la Paul O'Neill.

 

[PB37]

I don't know if you've just got a contrarian thing going or what. But, you're purposely generalizing and deflecting from the point I'm trying to make in some desperate attempt to appear right.

I never said players don't act out. I never said Ortiz didn't act out. As a matter of fact, I said he had. WHAT I DID SAY was that Machado talked **** to a pitcher and gave him the eye after he got hit by an accidental 86 mph pitch while the guy had a perfect game going. You keep talking about how "guys act out" as if that has anything to do with my argument.

As I also said, Ortiz got hit with a pitch (seemingly by accident) after Machado got hit. What did he do? Walked to first base. Like pretty much any guy would do in that situation. That pitch that hit Ortiz was 100000x more likely to be intentional than the one that hit Manny Machado.

If your entire argument is going to be based around arguing against points that I am not even making, don't bother responding. If you think what Machado did is "cool", okay that is your opinion, but don't be as foolish to turn this into a "Ortiz acts out all the time" argument. That is so far from any point I am trying to make. If you ever read my posts on this board pertaining to the Bruins, or any other team I am a fan of, you'll see I am far from the "fanboy" you seem to want to make me out to be by bringing up Ortiz hitting a telephone (again...has nothing to do with what we're talking about).

Your point was that Machado was a dick and a punk for getting pissed off about being hit and making a scene about it. My point is that this sort of thing happens at that level and at the end of the day, jawing at each other and staring isn't as big of a deal that you're making it out to be.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Actually, Ortiz still complains sometimes but that is one area he has matured quite a bit over the years. Back a while, there was a time Ortiz complained all the time a la Paul O'Neill.

Ah, yes.

Sometimes I wondered if Bernie Williams understood the concept of a called strike. The guy must've always been somewhat polite in his complaints, because he never got ejected, but it didn't matter where the ball was...he was perpetually mystified when the a strike was called after he hadn't swung.

Even a guy like Jeter did his fair share of complaining to the umpires, but he was a "golden boy" so no one ever really talked about it.

Kevin Youkilis (while it was somewhat funny given his character) was a world class whiner when it came to called strikes as well.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Your point was that Machado was a dick and a punk for getting pissed off about being hit and making a scene about it. My point is that this sort of thing happens at that level and at the end of the day, jawing at each other and staring isn't as big of a deal that you're making it out to be.

Staring down and talking **** to a pitcher after he hits you unintentionally during a, up to that point perfect game, does not "happen all the time". Does it matter at the end of the day? No. The score does. But, you've clearly purposely ignored the finer details to say I was "stretching it".

It clearly pissed off Porcello, as they were showing at the time and in the dugout after the inning was over. Why? Because a guy running his mouth and staring you down after an accidental HBP doesn't "happen all the time".

As another poster said...if this was a one-time thing, then no one thinks anything of it. But because it's coming from the guy who tried to throw his bat at an opposing pitcher during an AB (ala Trot Nixon), it strikes a nerve.

 

[jgatie]

Your point was that Machado was a dick and a punk for getting pissed off about being hit and making a scene about it. My point is that this sort of thing happens at that level and at the end of the day, jawing at each other and staring isn't as big of a deal that you're making it out to be.

Actually, his point has nothing to do with if "this sort of thing happens at that level". We all know it does. The context that Machado was a dick and a punk after getting hit when Porcello was pitching a perfect game and a breaking ball got away from him was the point. You can't remove the context from his point that no sane pitcher hits a guy on purpose under those circumstances, and if he did, it's not with 80 MPH breaking stuff.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

Actually, his point has nothing to do with if "this sort of thing happens at that level". We all know it does. The context that Machado was a dick and a punk after getting hit when Porcello was pitching a perfect game and a breaking ball got away from him was the point. You can't remove the context from his point that no sane pitcher hits a guy on purpose under those circumstances, and if he did, it's not with 80 MPH breaking stuff.

For the record, I don't believe it was a breaking ball. A cut fastball maybe, but Porcello only throws that in the 80's.

 

[PB37]

Actually, his point has nothing to do with if "this sort of thing happens at that level". We all know it does. The context that Machado was a dick and a punk after getting hit when Porcello was pitching a perfect game and a breaking ball got away from him was the point. You can't remove the context from his point that no sane pitcher hits a guy on purpose under those circumstances, and if he did, it's not with 80 MPH breaking stuff.

I chalk it up to the heat of the moment, especially at this stage in the season. Afterwards, Machado certainly saw things in a different light and said he didn't think Porcello was trying to hit him.

 

[jgatie]

For the record, I don't believe it was a breaking ball. A cut fastball maybe, but Porcello only throws that in the 80's.

Thanks for the correction. Didn't see that part of the game, so I assumed it was a breaking ball. Point still stands.

 

[jgatie]

I chalk it up to the heat of the moment, especially at this stage in the season. Afterwards, Machado certainly saw things in a different light and said he didn't think Porcello was trying to hit him.

I chalk it up to Machado being a hot-headed dick who does this kind of stuff when it's not warranted, but that is just me.

 

[24giovanni]

if the baseball season ended today, does anyone know which teams would be playing who in the AL?

thx

 

[Fossy21]

if the baseball season ended today, does anyone know which teams would be playing who in the AL?

thx

Jays - Orioles WC to face Rangers. Red Sox face Indians.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

It's April 1 and you get a peak at September 20 stats

Rate the shock factor in order from this list (not my order btw)

Curious what you think

Pedroia
Porcello
Ortiz
Ramirez
JBJ
Betts

Porcello
Ramirez
Pedroia
JBJ
Ortiz
Betts

 

[24giovanni]

Jays - Orioles WC to face Rangers. Red Sox face Indians.

thx, yep saw that some other place as well.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

I wonder if we have one more lineup change in us.

Pedroia
Betts
Ortiz
Ramirez
Bogaerts

Could look nice. Betts wouldn't get to steal as much though.

I probably wouldn't do it. But I definitely wouldn't hate it.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

Give that man a literal dump truck load of money to come back next year.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

Give that man a literal dump truck load of money to come back next year.

That too. Even after the break.

 

[Johnnyduke]

I am wondering if ortiz changes his mind some time AFTER the season starts next year. A la roger clemens in George's box.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

David Ortiz, at the age of 40, makes hitting a baseball look not even challenging.

It's stupid.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

That too. Even after the break.

Even after the regular season (signed before September 1st to be eligable). Papi is a beast, he barely missed another one earlier.

And to think that some people thought he were done like 7 or so years ago. Absolutely amazing. He is easily still one of the most feared hitters in the game, unbelievable. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, though.

 

[CharasLazyWrister]

I am wondering if ortiz changes his mind some time AFTER the season starts next year. A la roger clemens in George's box.

I hope not.

If he came back (which I actually hope he doesn't...you've got to appreciate the sheer awesomeness of how he is going out), it needs to be for the year.

What Clemens and the Yankees did was so foolish in hindsight, it's puke worthy.

 

[Mr Cartmenez]

i am wondering if ortiz changes his mind some time after the season starts next year. A la roger clemens in george's box.

gawdness grahhhcious, david ortiz is in john henrys baaaahhhhwx.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

Yeah, I don't think Ortiz would come back part way through a season.

 

[Ten Thousand Hours]

I hope not.

If he came back (which I actually hope he doesn't...you've got to appreciate the sheer awesomeness of how he is going out), it needs to be for the year.

What Clemens and the Yankees did was so foolish in hindsight, it's puke worthy.

Totally disagree. Look at it like a deadline acquisition.

 

[UNB Bruins Fan]

gawdness grahhhcious, david ortiz is in john henrys baaaahhhhwx.

I wonder is Suzyn Waldman still gets emotional thinking about that moment?