2016 NHL Entry Draft (Part IV)

[JetsFan815]

Unless someone you go to is really on board with trading down AND you really like someone, I think you sit on those two picks. Getting the #2 pick changes our perspective a bit. We get great quality with our first pick now. Think some quantity ouldn't hurt. We will have so many options now going forward for trade.

I agree with this. There are lots of solid d-men between 20 and 40 and one or two of them are bound to pan out. Lets just pick them. I read a tweet that said that Chevy said that the 22nd overall pick is in play. Frankly I would love for Chevy to stand pat this one time. I have this deathly fear inside of me that we might move that 22nd pick back to Chigago for Shaw or package that pick up with Trouba to trade for Hamonic.

 

[JetsFan815]

Honestly, I'm not sure whether I prefer Matthews and Laine. Laine seems to have that star quality and drive to succeed. Maybe Matthews does, too. Either one will have a huge impact on the franchise.

I agree. I am glad we don't have to make that decision Will happily take whichever one of the two is left once the leafs make their pick

 

[zsam]

I agree with this. There are lots of solid d-men between 20 and 40 and one or two of them are bound to pan out. Lets just pick them. I read a tweet that said that Chevy said that the 22nd overall pick is in play. Frankly I would love for Chevy to stand pat this one time. I have this deathly fear inside of me that we might move that 22nd pick back to Chigago for Shaw or package that pick up with Trouba to trade for Hamonic.

2 questions:

1. Why would you go for Shaw if you can have Teravainen instead?

2. You would package Trouba and pick #22 for Hamonic? Is that you Lawless?

 

[untouchable21]

2 questions:

1. Why would you go for Shaw if you can have Teravainen instead?

2. You would package Trouba and pick #22 for Hamonic? Is that you Lawless?

I'd take Shaw all day everyday before TT. Teravainen is skilled, but is tiny and plays scared.

Many Hawks fans will tell you the same thing.

 

[JetsFan815]

2 questions:

1. Why would you go for Shaw if you can have Teravainen instead?

2. You would package Trouba and pick #22 for Hamonic? Is that you Lawless?

I think you misread my post. I was railing against Jets making a move like that I agree I would take Teravainen over Shaw though

 

[zsam]

I'd take Shaw all day everyday before TT. Teravainen is skilled, but is tiny and plays scared.

Many Hawks fans will tell you the same thing.

Apparently Chevy tried to get Teravainen in the past, including Ladd's trade, instead of Dano. There must be a reason for that ...

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I'd try to poach Panarin over TT. Panarin's bonuses are murdering the Hawks' cap, I think they'd be willing to deal.

 

[Aavco Cup]

Damien Cox first rd mock draft. I know it's Cox but he gets lots of help.

1 TOR Mathews
2 WPG Laine
3 CBJ Pulj
4 EDM Juolevi
5 VAN PLD
6 CGY Tkachuk
7 ARI Nylander
8 BUF Chychrun
9 MTL Jost
10 COL Stanley
11 NJD Brown
12 OTT Bean
13 CAR Keller
14 BOS Sergachev
15 MIN Gauthier
16 DET Rubstov
17 NSH McLeod
18 PHI Kunin
19 TBL Jones
20 ARI McAvoy
21 CAR Tutle
22 WPG Fabbro
23 BOS Bellows
24 NYI DeBrincat
25 FLA Asplund
26 ANA Claque
27 TOR Gustavsson (G)
28 STL Thompson
29 DAL Cholowski
30 WAS Grundstrom

 

[MardyBum]

Damien Cox first rd mock draft. I know it's Cox but he gets lots of help.

1 TOR Mathews
2 WPG Laine
3 CBJ Pulj
4 EDM Juolevi
5 VAN PLD
6 CGY Tkachuk
7 ARI Nylander
8 BUF Chychrun
9 MTL Jost
10 COL Stanley
11 NJD Brown
12 OTT Bean
13 CAR Keller
14 BOS Sergachev
15 MIN Gauthier
16 DET Rubstov
17 NSH McLeod
18 PHI Kunin
19 TBL Jones
20 ARI McAvoy
21 CAR Tutle
22 WPG Fabbro
23 BOS Bellows
24 NYI DeBrincat
25 FLA Asplund
26 ANA Claque
27 TOR Gustavsson (G)
28 STL Thompson
29 DAL Cholowski
30 WAS Grundstrom

Um, yes please.

 

[Deif]

I'd try to poach Panarin over TT. Panarin's bonuses are murdering the Hawks' cap, I think they'd be willing to deal.

What would it cost though? Can you get Panarin without giving up the #2 pick +?

Damien Cox first rd mock draft. I know it's Cox but he gets lots of help.

1 TOR Mathews
2 WPG Laine
3 CBJ Pulj
4 EDM Juolevi
5 VAN PLD
6 CGY Tkachuk
7 ARI Nylander
8 BUF Chychrun
9 MTL Jost
10 COL Stanley
11 NJD Brown
12 OTT Bean
13 CAR Keller
14 BOS Sergachev
15 MIN Gauthier
16 DET Rubstov
17 NSH McLeod
18 PHI Kunin
19 TBL Jones
20 ARI McAvoy
21 CAR Tutle
22 WPG Fabbro
23 BOS Bellows
24 NYI DeBrincat
25 FLA Asplund
26 ANA Claque
27 TOR Gustavsson (G)
28 STL Thompson
29 DAL Cholowski
30 WAS Grundstrom

This would please me greatly.

Uh... is that Logan Stanley at 10?

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Damien Cox first rd mock draft. I know it's Cox but he gets lots of help.

1 TOR Mathews
2 WPG Laine
3 CBJ Pulj
4 EDM Juolevi
5 VAN PLD
6 CGY Tkachuk
7 ARI Nylander
8 BUF Chychrun
9 MTL Jost
10 COL Stanley
11 NJD Brown
12 OTT Bean
13 CAR Keller
14 BOS Sergachev
15 MIN Gauthier
16 DET Rubstov
17 NSH McLeod
18 PHI Kunin
19 TBL Jones
20 ARI McAvoy
21 CAR Tutle
22 WPG Fabbro
23 BOS Bellows
24 NYI DeBrincat
25 FLA Asplund
26 ANA Claque
27 TOR Gustavsson (G)
28 STL Thompson
29 DAL Cholowski
30 WAS Grundstrom

I'll take that deal all dayyyyy

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

What would it cost though? Can you get Panarin without giving up the #2 pick +?

I would think Chicago is going to want some picks back, but cap relief is going to be big for them (again) - they do their annual giveaway, why not us?

 

[Aavco Cup]

Chicago is not trading Panarin. He's still on his ELC. They will try and move Shaw and Bickell if the can.

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

Chicago is not trading Panarin. He's still on his ELC. They will try and move Shaw and Bickell if the can.

Bickell has negative value, it will cost the Hawks just to get rid of him. Shaw, maybe, but Panarin's salary for 2015-16 and 2016-17 is 3.5M, vs. his $812,500 cap hit. Shaw is at $2M, which isn't enough. Hossa at $5.275m cap hit would be far more desirable to get rid of, since he's 37 and on contract until he's 42. Nobody will take that contract until his $1m salary makes him cap recapture bait only. They traded good prospects in Dano and Dannault, and have no 1st or 2nd rounder this year as leverage, either.

According to GF, the Hawks have 17 of 22 roster spots filled, and 33 contracts total, with $5,541,540 in cap space. They will probably have some hard decisions to make this summer.

 

[almostawake]

Bickell has negative value, it will cost the Hawks just to get rid of him. Shaw, maybe, but Panarin's salary for 2015-16 and 2016-17 is 3.5M, vs. his $812,500 cap hit. Shaw is at $2M, which isn't enough. Hossa at $5.275m cap hit would be far more desirable to get rid of, since he's 37 and on contract until he's 42. Nobody will take that contract until his $1m salary makes him cap recapture bait only. No 1st or 2nd rounder this year as leverage, either.

According to GF, the Hawks have 17 of 22 roster spots filled, and 33 contracts total, with $5,541,540 in cap space. They will probably have some hard decisions to make this summer.

I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from?

What I see is, excluding overage, they sit at 65.85M in cap hit for 17 roster players. Next season's cap will be 74M. Even with a significant overage, say 2M, they still have a good amount of space to fill out the roster if they're willing to let Shaw walk. If they find a way to move Bickell, or even buy him out, they open up even more breathing room.

I just don't see what you're seeing.

 

[Flair Hay]

Damien Cox first rd mock draft. I know it's Cox but he gets lots of help.

1 TOR Mathews
2 WPG Laine
3 CBJ Pulj
4 EDM Juolevi
5 VAN PLD
6 CGY Tkachuk
7 ARI Nylander
8 BUF Chychrun
9 MTL Jost
10 COL Stanley
11 NJD Brown
12 OTT Bean
13 CAR Keller
14 BOS Sergachev
15 MIN Gauthier
16 DET Rubstov
17 NSH McLeod
18 PHI Kunin
19 TBL Jones
20 ARI McAvoy
21 CAR Tutle
22 WPG Fabbro
23 BOS Bellows
24 NYI DeBrincat
25 FLA Asplund
26 ANA Claque
27 TOR Gustavsson (G)
28 STL Thompson
29 DAL Cholowski
30 WAS Grundstrom

Wouldn't that be sweet

 

[Tasteless Beaver]

I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from?

What I see is, excluding overage, they sit at 65.85M in cap hit for 17 roster players. Next season's cap will be 74M. Even with a significant overage, say 2M, they still have a good amount of space to fill out the roster if they're willing to let Shaw walk. If they find a way to move Bickell, or even buy him out, they open up even more breathing room.

I just don't see what you're seeing.

Ah, I was going based on a $71.4m cap, which is worst-case Ontario for them, and what I was hearing the last time I paid attention. I'm surprised to see it might actually be going up by 2-3m, so it does make more sense to keep Panarin instead of the alternatives. $9M doesn't buy much for 5 players, but you're right, they've got room.

 

[almostawake]

Ah, I was going based on a $71.4m cap, which is worst-case Ontario for them, and what I was hearing the last time I paid attention. I'm surprised to see it might actually be going up by 2-3m, so it does make more sense to keep Panarin instead of the alternatives. $9M doesn't buy much for 5 players, but you're right, they've got room.

74M is assuming the NHLPA exercises the escalator, which isn't guaranteed, but highly likely.

Anyways, they'll feel a bit of a pinch and will have to make some hard choices, but Panarin is overshooting the mark. Its like selling the house so you can make your car payments. There are lots of smaller, less vital, pieces they can move easily.

 

[janneydraketkachuk]

I want to go with 2 D at 22 and 36 but I'd have a hard time passing on Adam Mascherin. Ton of production and no major red flags.

 

[Whileee]

Let's keep our head, here. The lowest value for draft picks is from contenders at the deadline. The highest value is at the draft. If Chevy can find huge value for #22 then I don't mind him moving it. We really need a good young LHD. Could he package it with a prospect for Brodin, or something like that?

 

[Aavco Cup]

I don't understand where you are getting these numbers from?

What I see is, excluding overage, they sit at 65.85M in cap hit for 17 roster players. Next season's cap will be 74M. Even with a significant overage, say 2M, they still have a good amount of space to fill out the roster if they're willing to let Shaw walk. If they find a way to move Bickell, or even buy him out, they open up even more breathing room.

I just don't see what you're seeing.

Are you counting the $2.5M bonus overage?

 

[CorgisPer60]

To that mock draft posted above, yes please.

 

[thistleswamp]

1 TOR Mathews
2 WPG Laine
3 CBJ Pulj
...
22 WPG Fabbro
etc.

I'd love to get Fabbro, wish he was a lefty though!
If one of the big 3 LHD started slipping into the early teens, I'd sure be tempted to try and move up.

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

Laine. We are going to finally have a power play again.

 

[DEANYOUNGBLOOD17]

-I would move up for Bean LD
- I do not think Fabbro will be there at 17, let alone 22
- I like Claque ( Brandon) or Hajek (CZECH ) at 22 and Johanson (Kellowna / Ryan's brother ) at 37 in the 2 nd round.
- 2017 draft Patrick (Brandon)
Easy first pick .... Lets win the 1 st lottery next year. But Foote from Kellowna (WHL) looks really good early on for a middle 1 st rounder.