2016 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Bob E]

Let's say the Jets win the lottery for #2 and draft Chyckrun.

He may not step in next year, but there's a very good chance he would. Who do you pair him with?

Buff? May not be here, and is Buff the guy you want to pair a rookie with?

Trouba? Still a young player finding his game and legit role (other than limiting the damage of having Stu on the ice) on this team. Is a 20+ min guy, but he's a bit young to mentor a young franchise dman.

Myers? Experienced vet who may settle the kid down a bit, but there are concerns with his game too. Maybe he isn't here either depending on Hamonic talks, etc.

Hamonic? Let's assume one of Buff or Myers is used to acquire Hamonic. He might be the safest player to pair with young Chyckrun to help him develop. Unless Hamonic is paired with Enstrom in the top pairing and given 24+ mins a night.

Pardy, Stu, Chiarot or Postma? No chance he should be with any of those guys. Though I suppose they could start him on the 3rd pairing and limit his exposure as he grows.

Why do I get the feeling this coaching staff and management would pair him with Stu (Stu playing the right side, but it really doesn't matter as Stu is rarely in position anyway) and the poor kid would need to be a Calder candidate just to keep that pairing acceptable.

 

[Daximus]

I'd pair him with Trouba I think on 3rd pairing. Ease him into some PP and PK time. If Buff is still here I'd pair him with Buff. Myers is a last resort I think. I think with a kid like him some of our guys could learn a thing or two. Then again patience can be key even with someone like him so maybe you send him back for a season.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I too would prefer a LH but I'm not entirely certain Trouba will become a legit #1 at this point. So if Fabbro is on the board as a late pick I think we shouldn't slouch on him. Then trade one of our other guys when he's ready as I think his development track is a little longer than most. So by then we could have significant changes.
Chych is an absolute beast, I personally think he has more natural skill and strength than Ekblad. His potential is sky high and really only limited to how much effort he is willing to put into it. Many say his work ethic is about as good as it gets. Having the Jake pairing patrolling the blueline for the Jets in the future would make us very hard to score on.

Fabbro plays in the BCHL not a CHL league. That has maintained his NCAA eligibility. What does it do for his AHL eligibility? Could a player be drafted out of any of the lower tier junior leagues and potentially go to the AHL?

 

[Daximus]

Fabbro plays in the BCHL not a CHL league. That has maintained his NCAA eligibility. What does it do for his AHL eligibility? Could a player be drafted out of any of the lower tier junior leagues and potentially go to the AHL?

I think so! Though I'd try and sign him right away get him into camp and assess his abilities as playing in the BCHL doesn't give you the best idea of where he is at. From there you might want to send him to Everett, who I think has his WHL rights. Or the A depending on his skill level. I think Fabbro has huge potential but will need many years of development. Send him to the dub for a year then AHL for a couple. Choosing to stay in the BCHL might have slowed his development a bit IMO.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

He was drafted by a CHL team already so if they sign him he has to go to that CHL team. I believe it was Seattle that drafted him.

 

[Daximus]

He was drafted by a CHL team already so if they sign him he has to go to that CHL team. I believe it was Seattle that drafted him.

He hasn't played in the CHL though so I don't think it counts until he does. Regardless of weather he has been drafted or not. The team that drafts him and signs him can send him to either the CHL or the AHL

 

[Daximus]

Upon further review he has commited to Boston U.
Which will be good for his development.

 

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[Bob E]

So you're saying there's a chance?

 

[Daximus]

Every lose increases those odds! Full tank ahead!

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

He was drafted by a CHL team already so if they sign him he has to go to that CHL team. I believe it was Seattle that drafted him.

I don't think being drafted by the CHL counts. Most of the kids drafted out of the NCAA were drafted by the CHL at one time too, or at least the Canadian ones. He has never been signed by a CHL team nor played for one. The key is where they are drafted out of by the NHL. Being drafted by the CHL is out of the players control but they can choose not to sign with the CHL. So the question is not whether they were drafted by the CHL it is whether or not a similar rule applies to the lower tier junior leagues.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

It means he can't play in the NHL for his 18/19 year old seasons if he is signed by an NHL team. He either has to play in the CHL or in the NHL.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Our odds are getting better with every loss. We could swap places with the Ducks and Canes this weekend.

 

[Daximus]

It means he can't play in the NHL for his 18/19 year old seasons if he is signed by an NHL team. He either has to play in the CHL or in the NHL.

No I don't believe so for instance Auston Matthews was drafted by Everett of the WHL but can very well play in the AHL as soon as he signs with a NHL team.
He has to actually have played in the CHL for the CHL rule to take effect.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

No I don't believe so for instance Auston Matthews was drafted by Everett of the WHL but can very well play in the AHL as soon as he signs with a NHL team.
He has to actually have played in the CHL for the CHL rule to take effect.

That is exactly what it means. That is only if the NHL team signs him. He can sign a pro deal himself like he did in the Swiss league.

The agreement is if players drafted in the CHL prior to being drafted in the NHL have to play in the CHL if they don't meet certain criteria. Like being under 20 or having less the 4 seasons in the CHL.

 

[Daximus]

That is exactly what it means. That is only if the NHL team signs him. He can sign a pro deal himself like he did in the Swiss league.

The agreement is if players drafted in the CHL prior to being drafted in the NHL have to play in the CHL if they don't meet certain criteria. Like being under 20 or having less the 4 seasons in the CHL.

No I believe the deal is if the player plays in the CHL, they have to sign a CHL deal with a CHL team to be considered a CHL player. Fabbro opted not to sign with a CHL team for this very reason. He wanted to keep his College eligibility open. Like Toews for instance. Was drafted by the WHL as a Canadian opted to play NCAA instead and could have been sent to the AHL as soon as Chicago signed but of course he made the Hawks roster out of camp.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

No I believe the deal is if the player plays in the CHL, they have to sign a CHL deal with a CHL team to be considered a CHL player. Fabbro opted not to play in the CHL for this very reason. He wanted to keep his College eligibility open. Like Toews for instance. Was drafted by the WHL as a Canadian opted to play NCAA instead and could have been sent to the AHL as soon as Chicago signed but of course he made the Hawks roster out of camp.

Partially true. As soon as Chicago signs him he either had to make the NHL or go play in Tri-City. The CHL has an agreement in place with the NHL that players drafted in their respective drafts or listed by said teams prior to them getting Drafted the players will have to play in the CHL if they are not in the NHL. Again this is only for players Under the age of 20.

 

[Daximus]

Partially true. As soon as Chicago signs him he either had to make the NHL or go play in Tri-City. The CHL has an agreement in place with the NHL that players drafted in their respective drafts or listed by said teams prior to them getting Drafted the players will have to play in the CHL if they are not in the NHL. Again this is only for players Under the age of 20.

Google it. The agreement only applies to players drafted out of the CHL. Fabbro will be drafted out of the BCHL. It doesnt matter if Seattle drafted him, he has to have actually played for them for the CHL agreement to affect him.

 

[Rheged]

Kempe was drafted by Barrie in 2013, then by LA in 2014, and is now signed to an ELC and playing in the AHL in his 19 YO season.

It would be really nice if the info was just available somewhere, seems pretty silly to keep it proprietary.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Kempe was drafted by Barrie in 2013, then by LA in 2014, and is now signed to an ELC and playing in the AHL in his 19 YO season.

It would be really nice if the info was just available somewhere, seems pretty silly to keep it proprietary.

Kempe probably had his rights dropped by Barrie. Fabbro and Jost rights and still held by there respective CHL teams


I found this article explaining it the best using the following examples http://www.stanleycupofchowder.com/2012/8/1/3213217/bruins-nhl-chl-ahl-agreement-CBA-talks-2012

Artem Anisimov is the simplest of these three cases. He was drafted by the New York Rangers out of the Yaroslavl Locomotiv of the KHL, and was assigned to the Hartford Wolf Pack at the age of 19 for the 2007-2008 season. He turned 20 on May 24, 2008. No CHL involvement means no age restriction. Easy enough.

Ivan Vishnevskiy is the opposite case. He was the Rouyn-Noranda Huskies' (QMJHL) second pick in the CHL import draft in 2005, before being drafted by the Dallas Stars out of R-N in 2006. Since he was drafted from a CHL team, the same rules apply to Vishnevskiy as any other player drafted from a CHL team: 20 years old or 4 years of play. Vishnevskiy played for Rouyn-Noranda for three seasons, turned 20 during the 2007-2008 season, and reported to the Peoria Rivermen of the AHL to start the 2008-2009 season.

Jiri Tlusty exemplifies the strange hybrid case of a European player who played for the CHL but was drafted from Europe. He was drafted tenth overall in 2006 from HC Kladno of the Czech Extraliga, then signed with the Sault Ste. Marie Greyhounds of the OHL. After one season, he split the season between the Marlies of the AHL and the NHL's Maple Leafs as a 19-year-old. Since he was drafted by the Maple Leafs from Europe, he was eligible for minor league play. David Krejci could have been in a similar situation; he was also drafted from HC Kladno in the same draft before playing for the Gatineau Olympiques of the QMJHL the following season; he, however, opted to spend two years in juniors before playing for the AHL P-Bruins at the age of 20.

 

[Daximus]

Look at it this way. Will Nylander was drafted in the CHL import draft by the Mississauga Steelheads but because he never played for them Toronto was able to send him to the Marlies as an 18 year old, he is now 19 and still playing with the Marlies even though he was drafted by a CHL team. The trick is he never played for them so is not bound by any agreement. Much like Fabbro is not bound to Seattle in any way shape or form. All they own is his CHL rights they cannot dictate where he must play.

 

[Daximus]

Fabbro can go wherever the Jets dictate he goes if they draft him out of the BCHL as the CHL agreement plays no part in the BCHL.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Look at it this way. Will Nylander was drafted in the CHL import draft by the Mississauga Steelheads but because he never played for them Toronto was able to send him to the Marlies as an 18 year old, he is now 19 and still playing with the Marlies even though he was drafted by a CHL team. The trick is he never played for them so is not bound by any agreement. Much like Fabbro is not bound to Seattle in any way shape or form. All they own is his CHL rights they cannot dictate where he must play.

Nylander was drafted in the 2014 CHL import draft which takes place AFTER the NHL draft.

So yes in the scenario the NHL team can assign him were they want. The CHL Team is taking a gamble on top end player that they might send him to them.

In this years CHL draft Sarnia took Patrick Laine. Now when he gets drafted this year and if he signs a deal with that NHL team he either plays in the NHL or with Sarnia.

 

[Daximus]

I read the rule and it specifically states that if a player played in the CHL before they were drafted by the NHL, then they have to either be 20 years old by Dec. 31 OR have played four years of junior in order to play in the minors.
Fabbro has not played in the CHL and is therefore not bound by the rule. And neither is Laine.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I read the rule and it specifically states that if a player played in the CHL before they were drafted by the NHL, then they have to either be 20 years old by Dec. 31 OR have played four years of junior in order to play in the minors.
Fabbro has not played in the CHL and is therefore not bound by the rule. And neither is Laine.

Thats the sticking point a lot of people have but I know from being around Brandon for a long time that as long as a team has a player drafted or listed prior to the NHL draft the players only choices IF he signs an NHL deal is CHL or NHL.

Its why most players playing Tier II hockey in Canada or the States rarely play in the AHL when they are under 20.