2016 NHL Entry Draft Discussion

[Daximus]

I have a couple things when it comes to those LHD from the top half of the 1st round.
-Is their skating at an elite level?
-Is their hockey IQ at high to elite level?
-Do they have good vision offensively?
-Do they use their size and reach to their advantage?
-If they lack some size do they make up for it with positioning and smarts?

If the answer to all these is "yes", that's my guy. JMO on what should be valued most.

I'd say yes to Sergachev and Juolevi. Clague and Bean are good but I'm not sure they do things quite on the same level at least not at this point. Though that is just my opinion. I could be biased as I've seen a lot more of Clague and Bean so I can pick out their shortcomings.

 

[Duke749]

I'd say yes to Sergachev and Juolevi. Clague and Bean are good but I'm not sure they do things quite on the same level at least not at this point. Though that is just my opinion. I could be biased as I've seen a lot more of Clague and Bean so I can pick out their shortcomings.

Based on what you were saying about Juolevi, he sounds like a very good choice for us.

 

[Bob E]

Wonder if Chevy is looking to grab additional 1sts if he has to move Ladd or Buff, or both.

Defensemen would have to be the focus in this years draft, you would think, though getting a guy like Matthews or McLeod has some appeal as well for me.

And drafting Benson in the 15-20 pick range would work for me as well.

 

[Halfy]

I'm big on McLeod. Kid came out of nowhere and I think could very well be the 2nd best forward out of the draft. He's one if those guys that just makes everyone around him better. Really hard worker. I bet the Jets are really interested in him. He's a Blake Wheeler type but can play center. I'm sure almost every team is interested in him.

Wheeler is 6'5 and Mike is 6'2. Hard to compare the two because Wheelers combo of skating and size is unrivaled. But, if you are solely basing it off off style of play, I see more of a poor man's Duchene.

 

[Daximus]

Wheeler is 6'5 and Mike is 6'2. Hard to compare the two because Wheelers combo of skating and size is unrivaled. But, if you are solely basing it off off style of play, I see more of a poor man's Duchene.

I meant more along the lines of his work ethic and compete level. I'd argue no one competes night to night on the Jets more than Wheeler he never gives up even when he's gased.

 

[Daximus]

Based on what you were saying about Juolevi, he sounds like a very good choice for us.

Juolevi is more of a Karlsson like defencemen. Probably compete for Norris' in his prime if he reaches his potential. Sergachev is more like a Doughty type I think. He won't put up 60+ points but he vould very well win a Smythe on his way to a Cup playing huge shutdown minutes while chipping in a bit offensively.
So it probably comes down to preference between the two styles.

 

[MardyBum]

Wonder if Chevy is looking to grab additional 1sts if he has to move Ladd or Buff, or both.

Defensemen would have to be the focus in this years draft, you would think, though getting a guy like Matthews or McLeod has some appeal as well for me.

And drafting Benson in the 15-20 pick range would work for me as well.

If he moves them they're both certainly worth 1sts and more.

Ladd's value will rise as he gets healthier, hopefully lol.

If we do move them both for firsts i'd like to see at least two D, though depending on BPA we may only get one.

Getting 3 firsts and somehow ending up with one of the finns or McLeod, Juolevi + would be amazing.

Of course Matthews would be striking gold, but we all know the Oilers are going to fall ass backwards into #1 again somehow.

 

[Daximus]

If he moves them they're both certainly worth 1sts and more.

Ladd's value will rise as he gets healthier, hopefully lol.

If we do move them both for firsts i'd like to see at least two D, though depending on BPA we may only get one.

Getting 3 firsts and somehow ending up with one of the finns or McLeod, Juolevi + would be amazing.

Of course Matthews would be striking gold, but we all know the Oilers are going to fall ass backwards into #1 again somehow.

This begs the big question of weather the Oil win the lotto. Do they take BPA again with Matthews or take the surefire elite defencemen in Chych?

 

[Daximus]

Wonder if Chevy is looking to grab additional 1sts if he has to move Ladd or Buff, or both.

Defensemen would have to be the focus in this years draft, you would think, though getting a guy like Matthews or McLeod has some appeal as well for me.

And drafting Benson in the 15-20 pick range would work for me as well.

If we can get 3 firsts heading into the draft we'd be in excellent shape. Not sure this draft has the same back end talent of last years but its front end talent is huge.

 

[Grind]

If we can get 3 firsts heading into the draft we'd be in excellent shape. Not sure this draft has the same back end talent of last years but its front end talent is huge.

I would be absolutely shocked if this was the case.


As others have stated previously if the return for buff and ladd ends up being package sbuilt primarily around 1sts i'd be fairly dissappointed that we didn't do it last year.

 

[Daximus]

I would be absolutely shocked if this was the case.


As others have stated previously if the return for buff and ladd ends up being package sbuilt primarily around 1sts i'd be fairly dissappointed that we didn't do it last year.

They wouldn't have done it with eyes on the playoffs. That playoff revenue is to juicy to pass up.

 

[MardyBum]

This begs the big question of weather the Oil win the lotto. Do they take BPA again with Matthews or take the surefire elite defencemen in Chych?

If I were the Oilers i'd be drafting Matthews and trading some of the forwards for young D help. (RNH for Jones is always popping up on here). But who knows if they havent already tried it and didnt like the returns.

I'd assume Arizona would be hell bent on getting Matthews for the revenue it would help generate having a hometown future star.

 

[veganhunter]

The Oilers are going to start winning some games once Yak and McDavid come back (around the same time). Doubt they will be in position to win the lottery again.

 

[Aavco Cup]

The Oilers are going to start winning some games once Yak and McDavid come back (around the same time). Doubt they will be in position to win the lottery again.

You think the Oilers are a playoff team?

 

[Daximus]

There could be some potential trade up/down scenarios for Toronto depending on where their pick lands.
After scouring the internet for scouting research I found a special on the Nylander brothers and how close they are and how they have natural chemistry. I guarantee leafs management and scouting department has seen this and I'm fairly certain they want Alex.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If he moves them they're both certainly worth 1sts and more.

Ladd's value will rise as he gets healthier, hopefully lol.

If we do move them both for firsts i'd like to see at least two D, though depending on BPA we may only get one.

Getting 3 firsts and somehow ending up with one of the finns or McLeod, Juolevi + would be amazing.

Of course Matthews would be striking gold, but we all know the Oilers are going to fall ass backwards into #1 again somehow.

BPA gets overemphasized. I'm not disagreeing with it in principle but you need to keep in mind that ranking draft prospects is highly inexact. There is frequently 1 and sometimes 2 players that really stand out from the crowd but even with those there are times when the draft order would be changed if you could do it over in 5 years. After those few standouts the difference between one player and the 2-3 before and after is within the error bars. That means that at any given draft position there will be 4-5 candidates who are tied for practical purposes. From that group taking the one that best fits your needs is still within the bounds of BPA.

This year, if the draft were held today it would be Mathews first and Chychrun second (that could change before draft day of course). After that go ahead and take the best D available if that is our need or take the best C if that suits our need better.

 

[nobody important]

Wonder if Chevy is looking to grab additional 1sts if he has to move Ladd or Buff, or both.

Would a GM give up a first round pick for what might be only a few months of Ladd or Buff? Let's reverse the situation.

How would you feel if Chevy traded our first for an unsigned, pending UFA?

 

[veganhunter]

You think the Oilers are a playoff team?

I forgot about the new rules . I'm guessing they'll be in around the 5% odds not the 10%+ they are accustomed to.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This begs the big question of weather the Oil win the lotto. Do they take BPA again with Matthews or take the surefire elite defencemen in Chych?

What are the odds? In theory the fact that they have won the Lottery without finishing last TWICE does not affect the chances of it happening again since each occurrence is separate but what would be the odds on a trifecta if you were to place a bet in 2010 for 3 wins by 2016? Astronomical I would think.

Starting in 2010 they have drafted;
Hall 1
RNH 1
Yak 1
Nurse 7
Drai 3
McD 1
and almost nothing in any other round!!!! Actually did pretty well on their 2 picks that were not 1st OA. In fact I would say that both Nurse and Drai are better than Yak.
As usual they currently stand last in the league. How is that even possible?

Anyway to address your question I think if I was them I would lean toward taking Chychrun but I would try to trade places with whoever is 2nd and get an add. Also listen to offers for that 1st OA. Their real need is depth. They might get a couple of nice players and a good pick or something similar. Offers for that 1st OA have sometimes been pretty wild.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

They wouldn't have done it with eyes on the playoffs. That playoff revenue is to juicy to pass up.

They could have done it at the draft. The return would be a little lower than at the TD but both would still have started with a 1st.

 

[Daximus]

They could have done it at the draft. The return would be a little lower than at the TD but both would still have started with a 1st.

I think Chevy and Co. were, like a lot of fans here, under the delusion that this Jets core is a playoff contender. Hopefully it's becoming more and more obvious that they are not.

 

[MardyBum]

BPA gets overemphasized. I'm not disagreeing with it in principle but you need to keep in mind that ranking draft prospects is highly inexact. There is frequently 1 and sometimes 2 players that really stand out from the crowd but even with those there are times when the draft order would be changed if you could do it over in 5 years. After those few standouts the difference between one player and the 2-3 before and after is within the error bars. That means that at any given draft position there will be 4-5 candidates who are tied for practical purposes. From that group taking the one that best fits your needs is still within the bounds of BPA.

This year, if the draft were held today it would be Mathews first and Chychrun second (that could change before draft day of course). After that go ahead and take the best D available if that is our need or take the best C if that suits our need better.

Agreed, i just dont want them reaching for a D if we pick say, third, when Puljujarvi, Laine, Tkachuk etc are all still available.

Taking a guy you ranked 12 thats a D at pick #10 I can live with. Cant just draft forwards forever lol.

 

[Daximus]

Agreed, i just dont want them reaching for a D if we pick say, third, when Puljujarvi, Laine, Tkachuk etc are all still available.

Taking a guy you ranked 12 thats a D at pick #10 I can live with. Cant just draft forwards forever lol.

Outside of Matthews, Chych, Pulju and Laine the rest are a step down I think. Tkachuk is good but McLeod could very well be better in the long run. I think Sergachev and Juolevi aren't a bad pick over Tkachuk. Honestly for me at this point it looks tiered.

1. Matthews/Chychrun
2. Puljujarvi/Laine
3. Tkachuk/McLeod/Sergachev/Juolevi/Fabbro/Nylander
5. PLD/Clague/Bean/Gauthier
Everyone else.

Drafting any guys over others within the same tier isn't really a bad idea IMO.
If we have a 6th and say Toronto has an 8th and they want to trade up to ensure they get Nylander I'd say do it because at least one of the other guys in the 3rd tier are still available and we can't really lose in that instance.

 

[CaptainChef]

Would a GM give up a first round pick for what might be only a few months of Ladd or Buff? Let's reverse the situation.

How would you feel if Chevy traded our first for an unsigned, pending UFA?

Yes of course they would, but it would have to be a team that is expecting to win a round or two in the playoffs & needed a player or two to put them over the top. And naturally, being a team that is in the playoffs, that first would be a mid to late first which is a really big difference from say a top 10.

If Buff or Ladd are in fact available at the TD, you can bet there will be a lineup of teams interested in their services.

 

[MardyBum]

Outside of Matthews, Chych, Pulju and Laine the rest are a step down I think. Tkachuk is good but McLeod could very well be better in the long run. I think Sergachev and Juolevi aren't a bad pick over Tkachuk. Honestly for me at this point it looks tiered.

1. Matthews/Chychrun
2. Puljujarvi/Laine
3. Tkachuk/McLeod/Sergachev/Juolevi/Fabbro/Nylander
5. PLD/Clague/Bean/Gauthier
Everyone else.

Drafting any guys over others within the same tier isn't really a bad idea IMO.
If we have a 6th and say Toronto has an 8th and they want to trade up to ensure they get Nylander I'd say do it because at least one of the other guys in the 3rd tier are still available and we can't really lose in that instance.

I would absolutely be on board moving down if we end up outside the top 4/5. Alot of time to go and McLeod is jumping up for alot of people now. But if we dont see any difference between Nylander and juolevi/sergachev i'm on board with moving down and picking up a second/third or whatever it would be.