Speculation: 2016 NHL Entry Draft Discussion (Part III)

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Mortimer Snerd

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For what it's worth, here is my take from the Canada Slovakia U18 game yesterday. Bear in mind that I typically don't start researching prospects heavily until about now so I don't have the same base of knowledge that some of you do. I hadn't seen any of these players live until yesterday.

I went in focusing on Chychrun, Jost, Fabbro, and McLeod.

Chychrun - For the most part he came as advertised. Admittedly, going in, I wasn't crazy about him with our 1st pick based mostly on my opinion that it's more risky to select a D really early in the first round but was starting to warm up to him as the game went on. Late in the game though, he got caught up ice a few times and also had an awful turnover on the PP that resulted in a Slovakia goal that almost sparked a comeback. Aside from those hiccups, he generally seems like he has the important tools. Good skater in all directions and made some nice stretch passes. Still not sure how I feel about him with our 1st yet.

Jost - Probably the best player on the ice IMO (and ended up with player of the game for Canada, so someone agreed with me :)). Good skater, worked hard in both directions, created on offence. Was an impact player in the game. Not sure yet if I even have a guess for what his ceiling might be.

Fabbro - I wasn't really able to develop any kind of opinion on him. If I wasn't specifically trying to watch for him, I wouldn't have noticed him at all. Didn't do anything to impress. Didn't do anything to stand out in a bad way. Considering I've heard that some feel he might end up being the best D from this draft, I was expecting more.

McLeod - Did. Not. Like. I was actually offended by his lack of effort in the neutral and d zone. Watching him back check was hilarious. No attempt whatsoever to identify his check and cover that player. His speed didn't stand out to me either which I thought was his strength. It's only one game but I was not impressed.

If I had to pick one player that jumped out at me that I wasn't specifically watching for, it would easily be Katchouk (sp?). He was almost up there with Jost. He was a buzz saw, created offensively, and put in effort in all 3 zones. Does anyone know where he is projected to go? I'm travelling with family and haven't had a chance to even google him yet. I'm very curious to learn about him to see if my impression is anywhere close to accurate. :)

Bonus comment - I was surprised how much Stanley tried to rush the puck and do things offensively. I was kind of assuming he'd just play a physical, defensive brand of hockey. He wasn't very good but he's got a long path ahead of him to grow into his body. Could be a decent boom/bust pick late in the draft?

I've got a lot of catching up to do with research and watching that game invigorated me a bit. It was kind of fun watching and not knowing much at all about most of the players. :)

Keep seeing similar assessments of McLeod but he seems to be rising in the draft lists. ???
 

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Even more so if they played on the same line with a three named forward then trade for Mark-Eduardo Vlasic and John-Michael Liles and roll then as a five man unit.......:naughty::amazed:

You've gone too far!

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A good game between Canada and Finland.

Chych has been excellent. He gets the puck in his own end and every time he makes a very heads up play to get it out with control. He's shown a tonne of poise and vision with the puck. He's been excellent defensively as well, great gap control and has been strong on the boards.

Fabro: He's struggled a bit I think. He looks like a talented player who isn't used to playing against this level of competition (Not surprising given the league he's played in). This has lead to him not moving the puck quick enough or forcing ill advised turnovers.

Jost: Has been very good both ways. He keeps rising in my books. I'd move the Chicago pick and something to move up into the 12-15 range if he's still there.
 

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Just did the simulator: 1. NJ 2. CBJ 3. ARI

TOR, EDM, VAN all displaced. This thing is so random!
 

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Even if Juolevi isn't a game breaker the way we hope Dubois could be for us, he seems like he would fit in extremely well with this team. We are hurting for another guy who excels in our own end but doesn't suck at moving the puck and beating a clogged up neutral zone.

We wouldn't necessarily be getting the most production vs Sergachyov. But man we'd probably be getting more out of our young forwards and whoever would be playing with Stuart or Chiarot.

Seems like he'd be good enough to jump to the NHL after one more year of junior.

If he or Tkachuk are basically the worst we are looking at if one or two teams jump us in the lottery, it's not the end of the world. We've grabbed first line calibre guys in 4/5 drafts so far.

Excellent post. This is exactly why I'm high on Juolevi.
 

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When you say late in the draft, do you mean late in the 1st? He's projected to be a 1st round pick but I reply wouldn't be happy if we drafted him there.

Yeah, poor wording on my part. Wow, I actually had no idea he was projected to go that high. I had heard the name before but that's about it. I wouldn't be happy taking him in the first but I'd consider it later.

It's really been eye opening as I now research the players I watched yesterday. It was cool to be able to formulate my own opinion without being influenced by other's opinions. Aside from the 4 I specifically targeted, I really didn't know anything about anyone else. Granted it is only a sample size of 1.
 

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Fabbro named player of the game. Jost has been good. Still really like Bitten
 

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A good game between Canada and Finland.

Chych has been excellent. He gets the puck in his own end and every time he makes a very heads up play to get it out with control. He's shown a tonne of poise and vision with the puck. He's been excellent defensively as well, great gap control and has been strong on the boards.

Fabro: He's struggled a bit I think. He looks like a talented player who isn't used to playing against this level of competition (Not surprising given the league he's played in). This has lead to him not moving the puck quick enough or forcing ill advised turnovers.

Jost: Has been very good both ways. He keeps rising in my books. I'd move the Chicago pick and something to move up into the 12-15 range if he's still there.

I really liked Jost, but really want a lottery pick. Puljujarvi was easily the most impressive player to me.
 

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I really liked Jost, but really want a lottery pick. Puljujarvi was easily the most impressive player to me.

Yeah he had a pretty strong game. His size, puck skills and playmaking would fit nicely on a line with Conner and Little imo.
 

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Yeah, poor wording on my part. Wow, I actually had no idea he was projected to go that high. I had heard the name before but that's about it. I wouldn't be happy taking him in the first but I'd consider it later.

It's really been eye opening as I now research the players I watched yesterday. It was cool to be able to formulate my own opinion without being influenced by other's opinions. Aside from the 4 I specifically targeted, I really didn't know anything about anyone else. Granted it is only a sample size of 1.

Yah, this concerns me even more.

If the guys a giant and willing to make those moves to generate offense, but STILL can't produce against 16-19 year olds in junior it really confirms my suspicions that he's a "stay away from" pick early in the draft. (1 game sample asterisk, of course)

I'm all good with grabbing guys like that in rounds four plus, but not with a valuable pick.

Even then I'd probably prefer undersized scorers I. Later rounds but yah, no thanks K you to Stanley.

Great to hear a report like that though, very interesting.
 

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I just want to again state that our "fall" to sixth has done wonders for my predraft anxiety. No assumptions/expectations of moving up.


Too bad I'll be in a remote cabin in the woods on lottery day. Someone send up a smoke signal ok?
 

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I just want to again state that our "fall" to sixth has done wonders for my predraft anxiety. No assumptions/expectations of moving up.


Too bad I'll be in a remote cabin in the woods on lottery day. Someone send up a smoke signal ok?

I'm expecting to draft 7th. Still some interesting options.

Higher chance of top3 or 6th than 8th or 9th.

I'll be even more rote on lottery day, hoping to find an internet connection to check in.

I feel that if Chevy isn't happy with where they end up in the draft, this might be the year where he does some maneuvering.
 

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I'm expecting to draft 7th. Still some interesting options.

Higher chance of top3 or 6th than 8th or 9th.

I'll be even more rote on lottery day, hoping to find an internet connection to check in.

I feel that if Chevy isn't happy with where they end up in the draft, this might be the year where he does some maneuvering.

Agreed, the odds would suggest 7th is our most likely drafting spot. But I think Chevy will be just fine with that positioning. IMO after the top 2, maybe top 3 their is a tier of 5-6 players that are almost interchangeable depending on a team's priorities and draftboard. My prediction based on past drafts is Chevy will pick 7th, tell the world he had the player rated much higher and the pick will look great by next season some time. In between their will be 10's of 1000's of posts supporting and panning the pick.
 

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Like everyone (I assume), I'm hoping for some lottery luck and pick in the top 3. After that, I'm hoping we stay at 6 and get a guy there that Chevy and Co really like.

Just to throw out a scenario though, if the Jets say fall down to 7, 8 or 9, and if they're left with say one of Juloevi, Sergachov, Nylander, Mcleod, etc, I wonder about the possibility of trading that pick for Boston's two firsts (14 and currently 20). 9 times out of 10 I'd rather have the "quality" piece and have the high pick, but in this case, and it might just be me, at around this point I'm seeing more of a "mushy middle". If it's between one of the names above, or say two of Jost, Keller, Bean, Brown, Bellows, Fabbro, etc, I think I'd rather have two of the second group.

I know that pick value charts aren't the be all end all, but according to this chart we'd have to add value similar to our 2nd. Substitute a young player like Burmi instead of the 2nd if possible.

The Bruins would have to be higher on a certain guy in that spot than the Jets obviously, but I'm personally not seeing a huge gap in that Juolevi, Serg, Nylander, Mcleod tier and that next group.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up
 

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Like everyone (I assume), I'm hoping for some lottery luck and pick in the top 3. After that, I'm hoping we stay at 6 and get a guy there that Chevy and Co really like.

Just to throw out a scenario though, if the Jets say fall down to 7, 8 or 9, and if they're left with say one of Juloevi, Sergachov, Nylander, Mcleod, etc, I wonder about the possibility of trading that pick for Boston's two firsts (14 and currently 20). 9 times out of 10 I'd rather have the "quality" piece and have the high pick, but in this case, and it might just be me, at around this point I'm seeing more of a "mushy middle". If it's between one of the names above, or say two of Jost, Keller, Bean, Brown, Bellows, Fabbro, etc, I think I'd rather have two of the second group.

I know that pick value charts aren't the be all end all, but according to this chart we'd have to add value similar to our 2nd. Substitute a young player like Burmi instead of the 2nd if possible.

The Bruins would have to be higher on a certain guy in that spot than the Jets obviously, but I'm personally not seeing a huge gap in that Juolevi, Serg, Nylander, Mcleod tier and that next group.

http://www.broadstreethockey.com/2013/4/25/4262594/nhl-draft-pick-value-trading-up

IMO, we already have a lot of depth with a lot of young guys who will be fighting for NHL roster spots and who have a ton of potential over the next couple of years. I'd prefer the absolute best player that we could muster out of this draft.

Having said this, I have faith in the Jets that they have done their homework and know exactly who they want, and if that player is falling, then I agree, trade anywhere you need to.

I would just rather have a huge impact player now to add with Connor this year. It would make our roster very interesting next year.
 
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