2016 LA Kings Offseason GDT IV
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KingsOfCali25
Start up the Tank!
Gaborik--Kopitar--Yakupov
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Brown--Shore--Versteeg
Mersch--Dowd--Nolan
Andreoff
McNabb--Doughty
Muzzin--Ju. Schultz
Martinez--Folin
Gravel
King + Ebert for Yakupov
Forbort for Folin
Clifford for picks
Greene for late pick or LTIR (if still injured)
Re-sign Versteeg = 2 yrs, 3m avg
Sign Justin Schultz = 2 yrs, 2.5m avg
The defense gets its depth back and can role 3 lines. The offense doesn't change much but gets quicker and improves depth. Only part missing is Veteran 3rd line Center but Kings probably decide to role with youth movement. Expansion draft lose one of Schultz, Gaborik, Brown.
Pearson--Carter--Toffoli
Brown--Shore--Versteeg
Mersch--Dowd--Nolan
Andreoff
McNabb--Doughty
Muzzin--Ju. Schultz
Martinez--Folin
Gravel
King + Ebert for Yakupov
Forbort for Folin
Clifford for picks
Greene for late pick or LTIR (if still injured)
Re-sign Versteeg = 2 yrs, 3m avg
Sign Justin Schultz = 2 yrs, 2.5m avg
The defense gets its depth back and can role 3 lines. The offense doesn't change much but gets quicker and improves depth. Only part missing is Veteran 3rd line Center but Kings probably decide to role with youth movement. Expansion draft lose one of Schultz, Gaborik, Brown.
The Night King
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KingsOfCali25
Start up the Tank!
Ziggy Stardust
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Mike Futa was on TSN Overdrive today, some notes of what he said:
- Hard to stay on top, but the building blocks (Doughty, Kopitar, etc.) are there, they have won two Cups, still a competitive team, and Dean has made it clear that they are no longer going to be giving away 1st round picks and it is time to restock the shelves.
- We have set ourselves up to be successful for a long time, some stuff that wasn't hockey related shot themselves in the foot, tough to replace Voynov, poking holes trying to add pieces. Still were able to set records this season and were one of the first teams to clinch a playoff spot after Washington. But admits that they didn't play well down the stretch and ran against a hungry team that "fed it to us in the first round."
- Talks about the young core and brings up Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Toffoli, Muzzin and Martinez, players have to play better than they did, admitting that the team didn't score a lot of goals and they need more production from Gaborik, Brown and Pearson.
- Toyed with the idea with Jordan Weal if they can add a smaller player in the lineup who can add more skill and more excitement to the powerplay, but that it is better for the team to "stay true to our identity, compete harder and more consistently."
- "We gave up assets for a first class person and a first class player that plays a certain way and that's exactly what he did for us." Did everything in their power under the circumstances to put together a fair deal and he felt that there is a better deal out there for him, so all they can do is pat him in the back and thank him for a great year. Despite him wanting to stay and them wanting him back, it's the nature of the business.
- Brings up the contracts coming up next year in Toffoli and Pearson and also says that they have a pretty important defenseman (Doughty) coming up in a few years that they'll need some "extra scratch" to keep around too. Part of cap management.
- Have to make the most of the four picks that they have. The goal is still to come away with two NHL players out of those four selections.
Nothing earth shattering, but insightful.
- Hard to stay on top, but the building blocks (Doughty, Kopitar, etc.) are there, they have won two Cups, still a competitive team, and Dean has made it clear that they are no longer going to be giving away 1st round picks and it is time to restock the shelves.
- We have set ourselves up to be successful for a long time, some stuff that wasn't hockey related shot themselves in the foot, tough to replace Voynov, poking holes trying to add pieces. Still were able to set records this season and were one of the first teams to clinch a playoff spot after Washington. But admits that they didn't play well down the stretch and ran against a hungry team that "fed it to us in the first round."
- Talks about the young core and brings up Kopitar, Doughty, Quick, Toffoli, Muzzin and Martinez, players have to play better than they did, admitting that the team didn't score a lot of goals and they need more production from Gaborik, Brown and Pearson.
- Toyed with the idea with Jordan Weal if they can add a smaller player in the lineup who can add more skill and more excitement to the powerplay, but that it is better for the team to "stay true to our identity, compete harder and more consistently."
- "We gave up assets for a first class person and a first class player that plays a certain way and that's exactly what he did for us." Did everything in their power under the circumstances to put together a fair deal and he felt that there is a better deal out there for him, so all they can do is pat him in the back and thank him for a great year. Despite him wanting to stay and them wanting him back, it's the nature of the business.
- Brings up the contracts coming up next year in Toffoli and Pearson and also says that they have a pretty important defenseman (Doughty) coming up in a few years that they'll need some "extra scratch" to keep around too. Part of cap management.
- Have to make the most of the four picks that they have. The goal is still to come away with two NHL players out of those four selections.
Nothing earth shattering, but insightful.
KingTrouty
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KingsFan7824
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It depends on what you meant by addressed. If Lombardi feels the right way to go is to give Gravel and Forbort, guys that have done well in the AHL, developed by the Kings for a few years, a real shot, could that not be considered an addressing of the defense? It's different than giving someone $25m for 5 years, but it's an avenue that can be taken to try and get better.
McNabb is awful. The guy can't skate. He is no where near where Muzzin was. He's a marginal player 6/7 D man tops.
The Night King
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And then gets automatically fired
I only mention it since he re-acquired Scuderi, so it wouldn't completely shock me.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
Gonna bookmark this one for future reference because man, that's just wrong. So he's basically not even an NHLer?
kingsfan28
Its A Kingspiracy !
I'm sure there were a bunch of similar things said about Muzzin before 2014 and we all know what's happened since. Give the kid a chance to learn the game before you throw him into the trash heap.
Minor Boarding
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O'Donnell looked good on Doughty pairing. That has more to do with Doughty quality babysitting rather then the quality of some of his defense partners.
Now that sounds like the game Forbort has had in Ontario, and he has been good at it!! Just saying.
Minor Boarding
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McNabb isn't Muzzin. His reads (offensively and defensively) aren't even close to the ones of Muzzin who I defended on this site many times...
Frankly, it's laughable to compare the two of them... FWIW, I really liked Gravel and think he could develop into a decent defensmen. Forbort was together with Zykov one of the guys I feel didn't develop much and should be used to acquire better assets to the organization.
Minor Boarding
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If you ask me, he is a fine Matt Greene replacement on the bottom pairing. He has some physicality and could learn to pk. It isn't fair to the player to put him in a position he is going to fail in the top4.
The Tikkanen
Pest
Lombardi needs to find a #1 LW and ideally a #3 dman, those players are out there and you don't have to break the bank. Good teams push players down the depth chart, not up and Lombardi has done a good job of doing that throughout the latter stages of the 5 Year Plan Era up until now. See what he does today, looking forward to the draft and hoping at least one trade is made. For me as a fan I'd like to see Ladd signed, Versteeg re-signed, #3 dman would be a Lombardi surprise and the slower players dispatched like King, Greene, Scuderi, Clifford to make space. That said I'm just a fan of the Kings, I'm not a scout or a GM, I'm not crunching numbers or studying cap space in 2019 to justify my wants.
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lumbergh
It was an idea. I didn't say it was a good idea.
Explain how Doughty had a better Goals For % and a better Corsi For % with McNabb than without McNabb in 2015-16 if he's just babysitting.
Explain how Doughty managed to win a Norris Trophy babysitting for the majority of the season.
Explain how McNabb managed a 60% Goals For % and 54% Corsi For % with the boat anchor known as Luke Schenn, the only other defenseman he played any substantial minutes with in 2015-16.
Explain how Doughty had a better Goals For % and a better Corsi For % with McNabb than with Muzzin in 2015-16.
McNabb has had a few notable brain cramps that led to skilled forwards blowing past him. That's what happens when you're a defenseman. It happens to almost everyone. It still happens to Jake Muzzin. This board is fond of pointing out every time it happens to Erik Karlsson.
A truer assessment of a defenseman is built over time in his ability to drive play the other direction. McNabb has shown he's able to do that. Doughty is comfortable playing next to him.
Once McNabb figures out his offensive game, the comparisons to Jake Muzzin will be pretty obvious. The guy has a shooting percentage of 2.5% for his career so far. If he gets that to 5%, he'll get 5-10 goals and 20-30 points per season. That's solid for a middle pairing guy.
Reaper45
Registered User
I'm with you lumbergh ****ed her, I think McNabb will be sold gotta be patient. Muffin was more of a mess than McNabb and look where he's at now.
i think you "babysitting" is a case for the norris.
I thin McNabb is playing above his abilities when he is paired on the top unit. That said he is currently the best option LA has. I would like LA to get a top 4 to push McNabb down and create internal competition for 1st and 2nd pairing minutes. not to mention depth for when injury happens.
I thin McNabb is playing above his abilities when he is paired on the top unit. That said he is currently the best option LA has. I would like LA to get a top 4 to push McNabb down and create internal competition for 1st and 2nd pairing minutes. not to mention depth for when injury happens.
Raccoon Jesus
We were right there
WE can agree to disagree where he ends up in the lineup (I think ultimately he's already a top-4 d-man and that's where he should be, #4, unless he can improve his speed, in which case he's a #2), but you're agreeing with me that he's an NHLer. I'm just battling the notion that he doesn't have a spot in an NHL lineup, because that's ridiculous.
I think he's getting Derek Armstrong'ed right now, a lot of people are misinterpreting him being miscast as him being terrible.
Minor Boarding
Registered User
Again, think of the time after the trade deadline and in the playoffs...
It's absurd. He is becoming the most overrated prospect/player since Lehoux... Delusional and somewhat hilarious expectations there...
I want this team to compete for the Cup. That isn't going to happen with players on the top lines/pairings that cannot pass and have some tools but don't have the brain to support that.
Here is another stat: He committed the most minor penalties and ended -4 despite some games he got sheltered minutes...
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Minor Boarding
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I never said he wasn't an NHL-er. He is a perfect Greene replacement and hopefully with a slightly more flair for puck handling in the offensive zone.
Totally agree with you on him being Armstrong'ed right now.
As for him being #2:
*Maybe on a EA Cup champ team tho.
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