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I feel like defensive ability is often treated too much like a binary attribute-- Almost like every player adept at two-way play is close to equally adept at two-way play.

Puljajarvi has a solid two way game, but there is no indication that he'll be even a fraction as good defensively as Bergeron, who is arguably the best defensive forward in the league. He doesn't play that role even at the Junior level.

Bergeron would probably be ~10 points more valuable than an equally productive player even if they have strong defensive abilities, IMO.
 
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Whatever happens I hope we grab a top forward. I'm feeling fairly good about the future of the blueline going forward. Not denying we currently lack a projected number one defenseman but the Canucks' offense is crumbling much faster.

The thing that impressed me the most about Pujhols from the WJC was watching him set guys up. A lot of the sweet Laine goals came from Pujhols' vision. That to me says he thinks the game at a higher level. Combine that with a nearly as lethal shot and a 6'3 frame, I think we're talking about an elite player. Laine without a doubt is going to be an elite goal scorer but I think Pujhols will be more capable of carrying a line.
 
Shareefruck said:
I feel like defensive ability is often treated too much like a binary attribute-- Almost like every player adept at two-way play is close to equally adept at two-way play.

Puljajarvi has a solid two way game, but there is no indication that he'll be even a fraction as good defensively as Bergeron, who is arguably the best defensive forward in the league. He doesn't play that role even at the Junior level.

Bergeron would probably be ~15 points more valuable than an equally productive player even if they have strong defensive abilities, IMO.
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This is a terrific, spot-on comment.

It seems like every prospect gets classified either as 'needing work defensively' or 'Patrice Bergeron'.
 
Shareefruck said:
I feel like defensive ability is often treated too much like a binary attribute-- Almost like every player adept at two-way play is close to equally adept at two-way play.

Puljajarvi has a solid two way game, but there is no indication that he'll be even a fraction as good defensively as Bergeron, who is arguably the best defensive forward in the league. He doesn't play that role even at the Junior level.

It's kind of like arguing that Brad Richardson is in the same tier as prime Manny Malhotra on the grounds that they're similarly productive and both strong two-way players.

Bergeron would probably be ~10 points more valuable than an equally productive player even if they have strong defensive abilities, IMO.
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Yes, well put. It's another reason I'm higher on Dubois and McLeod (though he can be erratic) than most others: it's because they add real value in a 2way capacity. In contrast, while Pulju is regarded as a 2way player, I don't see that same intent in his game. Yes, he plays 200 ft, but is not as good doing it (IMO).

How do people compare PLD and Puljujarvi, both as eventual centres?
 
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This is a terrific, spot-on comment.

It seems like every prospect gets classified either as 'needing work defensively' or 'Patrice Bergeron'.
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It's kind of like arguing that Brad Richardson is in the same tier as prime Manny Malhotra on the grounds that they're similarly productive and both decent two-way players.
 
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MS said:
This is a terrific, spot-on comment.

It seems like every prospect gets classified either as 'needing work defensively' or 'Patrice Bergeron'.
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If I had a nickel for every time someone on HF used the term "Bergeron Light"...
 
One thing I really like about Puljujarvi is his intensity. I think that aspect in a player is very important. I've seen lesser skilled players succeed beyond expectations primarily due to this aspect alone. A highly skilled player with this trait is a recipe for success.
 
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we're so bad that we get Hansen - lite as ceilings
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I have been meaning to ask this for 3 seasons and I guess now is as good a time as any. Whenever someone on this site wishes to say a player resembles another player they say he is "the other player lite". Is this how it's written/spoken in Canada?

The reason I ask is that in the U.S. we would say the guy is Bergeron like or Hansen like not lite. Lite is used to describe low-cal foods and beverages.
 
Bad Goalie said:
I have been meaning to ask this for 3 seasons and I guess now is as good a time as any. Whenever someone on this site wishes to say a player resembles another player they say he is "the other player lite". Is this how it's written/spoken in Canada?

The reason I ask is that in the U.S. we would say the guy is Bergeron like or Hansen like not lite. Lite is used to describe low-cal foods and beverages.
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Well it is used to mean "like Player X but not as good", just like Bud-lite is like Budweiser but not as good (or so I assume, never actually tried Bud lite).
 
MS's description of Puljujarvi sounds to me like post-Thrashers Hossa. I'd be fine with that at 3.

As for Lindholm, my only reservation in trading a top-3 pick for him is that the top-3 pick is more likely to fit in the Canucks' window in terms of providing entry level value.
 
Bad Goalie said:
I have been meaning to ask this for 3 seasons and I guess now is as good a time as any. Whenever someone on this site wishes to say a player resembles another player they say he is "the other player lite". Is this how it's written/spoken in Canada?

The reason I ask is that in the U.S. we would say the guy is Bergeron like or Hansen like not lite. Lite is used to describe low-cal foods and beverages.
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what is meant by it is that the player is similar but an inferior version of the player they are compared to.
 
I think some of you guys underestimate Juolevi, the guy has played really well everywhere he has been, such a smart mobile dman. I guess I'm happy even worse case scenario and we end up with 6th, Good place to be :P
 
pitseleh said:
MS's description of Puljujarvi sounds to me like post-Thrashers Hossa. I'd be fine with that at 3.

As for Lindholm, my only reservation in trading a top-3 pick for him is that the top-3 pick is more likely to fit in the Canucks' window in terms of providing entry level value.
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PLD reminds me of Hossa or Linden. It's the shot, and he is very attentive to his Dzone coverage. Pulju is more instinctive/energetic/frantic. It's difficult to find a comparable for him, IMO.
 
Icebreakers said:
If Mikko Koivu had kept that pace for his entire career it could be. Since the lockout hes basically been a 55 ish point player which is obviously not franchise level. All depends if we are talking peak or long prime.

Is Taylor Hall a franchise player? A lot of EDM fans would say so. Especially when McDavid wasnt there.
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Taylor Hall from the start of 2012/2013 to the end of 2013/2014 was 5th in points per game for players behind only Crosby, Malkin, Stamkos and Getzlaf on top of being a very good possession and line driver, so not sure how McDavid has anything to do with that he's played excellent hockey without him.

Hall was top 5 in scoring for ~50 games this year and hit a ridiculous dry spell. Hall is an absurdly good player that drives the play exceptionally well.
 
WTG said:
Imagine if we win the lottery.

Imagine how relieved Matthews would be that he'd be going to a team where he's relied on right away to provide offense.
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And then Willie benches him after he makes a single mistake.

:sarcasm:
 
Hall is a franchise winger. He has an amazing toolset but not the best hockey sense. Basically Virtanen but substantially better in every way except physically.
 
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