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Horse McHindu
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Two words: Money Talks. Back in 2009, Mats Sundin had zero connection with the city of Vancouver and had zero reason to sign with us, but he did due to $$$$. Rangers couldn't match the Canucks' offer and so he came here. If the Canucks are lucky enough to draft Laine or Puljiujarvi, it gives us a selling point......the selling point being that with the twins anchoring a second line, and Laine/Puljiujarvi destined to become a 1st line winger, all we'd need is that true #1 center to lead the way in 2, maybe 3, seasons. That's what you can sell Stamkos on.
Miller and Burrows off the books is 10.5 million in cap space. If the Canucks were willing to pony up assets, they could easily afford a top tier d-man at that time.
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I would avoid Lucic as he has the type of game that doesn't age well.
As far as D goes, I'd trade our #5 overall to Anaheim for Sami Vatanen (assuming that Matthews, Laine, Puljiujarvi, and Dubois have been selected).
No, just no.
Over scouting and hype because 1 is still playing.
If the canucks win the lottery and dont pick Matthews, it's an epic fail.
Lots of players are still playing or were just playing, including Puljujarvi who just had a terrific U18 tournament. None of them are Patrik Laine, however.
Yes, but I'm not too worried about it. Although it was a month or two ago, Linden pretty much said that Matthews was the #1 guy.
He's basically the complete package, and a center to boot. I can't imagine many professional NHL scouts have Laine ahead of Matthews.
WHY the hell would we trade the 5th overall pick who could develop into something special and is cost controlled for a 25 year old dman entering his prime. Sami vatanen isn't getting 45 points with the canucks... Vatanen is what a #3?.
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I don't agree at all.
Laine is an absolute beast and has a considerably bigger upside.
Matthews looks to me like a Tavares-level talent (which is pretty damned good, to be fair) but Laine looks like he can be an Ovechkin/Malkin level talent.
You just said that Laine is better than McDavid.
I'm saying he could be. I don't see why that's ridiculous. McDavid couldn't even single-handedly beat a junior team last year when he had some pretty good support. Lost in 5 games. Laine just won the championship in a top pro league for his team and was the clear cut playoff MVP. Looked incredible while doing it. His team was otherwise inferior in both of the last 2 rounds. And he's got a huge frame to dominant the game physically.
Horse McHindu
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Or, could not. My personal opinion is that Tkatchuk is a little overrated, while defensive prospects are usually tough to guage.
With Vatanen, you are guaranteed a very solid right handed defenseman that can quarterback a powerplay. Canucks have the cap space, and so sign the guy long term.
Over time, as the Canucks get better, Vatanen's numbers will increase in a Canucks uniform as well.
I would argue that with the exception of a franchise center (heir apparent to Henrik), the Canucks biggest need right now is a very good young RH defenseman. Vatanen fits that bill. If the Canucks are drafting Top 4, I hold onto that pick at almost all costs, but if we're at #5, then I'd be looking at a guy like Vatanen.
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Yes if memory serves he signed with Vancouver immediately after they tabled the largest offer on July 1st right?
Horse McHindu
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To be honest, I'm starting to see similarities between Laine and Ovechkin as well. Big kid at 6'4 who can hit the back of the net at the drop of a dime.
But again - if the Canucks are drafting at 1 or 2, I'd obviously be happy with either or. Choosing between Matthews and Laine is a terrific problem to have.
Horse McHindu
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No, but just the fact that Vancouver offered such a ridiculous amount to Sundin made Vancouver a top nominee. Sundin's heart was set on becoming a Ranger, but once it became clear that the Rangers wouldn't be able to clear enough cap space, Vancouver became the instant front runner.
It's a similar situation with Stamkos. Stamkos might want to re-sign with Tampa or sign with a contender, but if Vancouver throws an absolute monster of an offer (i.e. the "Toews" deal at 7 years), not many current contending teams would be able to compete with that offer, and at the very least, you get Stamkos' attention.
Other teams that could compete with that offer, are teams that have traded all/most of their vets away and are literally rebuilding from scratch............while a team like Vancouver would still have solid pieces in place (i.e. the twins on a second line, Horvat/Sutter on a 3rd line, a possible rapid development of Laine/Puli if the Canucks get lucky with the lottery, 10.5 million to invest in a 'D' once Miller/Burr come off the books). If the Canucks get a little lucky with the lottery, it gives the Canucks a pretty big selling point to Stamkos.....the selling point being that we'd offer far more money than all current contending teams would be able to offer, while being much close to being competitive than other bottom feeding teams starting from scratch.
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Tkachuk looks like a slam-dunk 60-70 pt producer in this league. Grit, mobility, and one of the most competitive prospects in the draft. Qualities every future cup contender needs. I think competitiveness is a very underrated quality of prospects. That's what drives players from being a bust to being a boom. And Tkachuk's dad is really going to make sure he has a lengthy NHL career.
Honestly, I wouldn't trade this years top 6 pick for anything short of overpayment. And Vatanen is hardly overpayment. Our defence core surely looks better with him, but Edler, Tanev, Hutton, and likely Hamhuis can still hold the fort. Plus Edler and Tanev are not old and will be part of the rebuild. Tryamkin I am also very high on.
So adding a guy like Tkachuk next to Horvat would be a much better move in the long-run. Tkachuk has doubled Horvat's draft year production. His teammates are better, fine, but having that kind of production is pretty insane. And don't forget, Horvat had some decent support in Domi as well.
Trading a top-5 pick for a couple years' service from a #2-3 defender is absolute insanity.
Vatanen is a good player and I like him (and he should have been part of the Kesler deal) but you absolutely don't deal away top-5 picks in deals like this when you're a rebuilding team. You have to take the chance that you're getting a long-term impact front-line player with that pick.
Laine hasn't been over a PPG in any league since he was 16.
Matthews lead his team in goal scoring this year despite missing 12 games and was well over PPG (also a pro league).
Matthews had 116 points (55 goals) in 60 games in his last year in the USHL (top scorer this year had 89 points and 46 goals).
Matthews is still the top prospect IMO, and should be for 99.9% of people.
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This team isn't even close to being a cup cotender. Why would we trade a good chance at a potentially elite 18 year old talent for a 25 year old Dman who by the time we're close to being a legit contender will be close to 30 years old? Just a terrible idea.
Laine is a year younger, bigger, stronger, and more physically gifted, and just destroyed a man's league in leading his team to a playoff championship.
What kind of numbers do you think Laine would put up in the SM-Liiga next year, at the same development age Matthews is now?
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Who says it has to be for "a couple years' of service?" Vatanen is an RFA next year and can easily be signed for very long term. Vatanen has the type of game that ages well and so I don't think signing him to a 7 year deal would be overly risky.
Positional need factors in as well here. As much as a guy like Tkatchuk *might* become a pretty damned good player, I think the Canucks' need for a 'very good' young RHD supercedes every other positional need outside of a young franchise center.
Matthews is still the top prospect and I'd be really surprised if he isn't 1st overall. I think whichever team makes a different selection is going to get bit hard for decades.
I trust Crawford in saying that Matthews will be in the top 6 as a rookie for any Canadian NHL team right now. He's played among men and led the team in scoring. But he's been tracking well for years.
Matthews also plays a more desirable position for teams wanting a rebuild. These 17 year old franchise centers are never available unless you've sacrificed a few years of crappy hockey.
Don't be silly Benning, select Matthews if you have the chance.
I trust Crawford in saying that Matthews will be in the top 6 as a rookie for any Canadian NHL team right now. He's played among men and led the team in scoring. But he's been tracking well for years.
Matthews also plays a more desirable position for teams wanting a rebuild. These 17 year old franchise centers are never available unless you've sacrificed a few years of crappy hockey.
Don't be silly Benning, select Matthews if you have the chance.
If we pull a Canucks and fall to the 5/6th slot, I see Logan Brown as more and more of a viable candidate.
6'6 and just finishing his height growth, hence not using his body as dominantly as he can, but already possessing great vision and that ability to slow the game down. Skates well, good hands and shot, and has a pro-style game.
Of course his first step needs work, and he needs to fill out and protect the puck with his body better, but those will come. Compared to Nylander, who seems to need more space to operate, I'm finding Brown to have a game that seems like it will translate better.
I am even more impressed by him in a way than I am by PLD.
6'6 and just finishing his height growth, hence not using his body as dominantly as he can, but already possessing great vision and that ability to slow the game down. Skates well, good hands and shot, and has a pro-style game.
Of course his first step needs work, and he needs to fill out and protect the puck with his body better, but those will come. Compared to Nylander, who seems to need more space to operate, I'm finding Brown to have a game that seems like it will translate better.
I am even more impressed by him in a way than I am by PLD.
And with such a decisive move it still took Sundin months to even rule out the Rangers and Canadiens, nevermind actually sign in Vancouver.
It's a bad analogy because money was obviously not his first consideration.
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