2016 Draft Thread | 7

[Robongo01]

Interesting to see McLeod at @3 for McKeens.

Not really when you look at their past final lists..Spoiler: they are a joke

 

[monster_bertuzzi]

Not really when you look at their past final lists..Spoiler: they are a joke

McLeod shouldn't be at #3, but he's barely behind golden boy Dubois as a prospect IMO.

 

[iFan]

Can we stop perpetuating the "D is our top positional need" fallacy?

You need 4 players to fill a top 4 D, which is what you should be looking at with a high first round pick.

Tanev
Hutton
Edler

Are 3/4 of that. Tryamkin may make that 4/4 in a few years time.

You need 6 plyers to fill our top 6 forwards, which is what we should be looking at this high in the draft. We currently have Horvat, Boeser, and some maybes. And no one other than Boeser looks like a future 1st liner (apologies to Horvat whom I adore).

We need top 6 forwards as bad or worse than top 4 D. Now if there was an Ekblad/Doughty surefire top guy then hell ya you take him. But no one projects to be that and we are not "urgently" in need of a guy who projects to be a notch or two below that level.

Draft BPA always and at 1-6 that looks strongly like a forward, not a D.

Edler in a few years won't be the same player. Tanev and Hutton are good but we need a true #1D man, D is a concern. I agree with BPA but if your picking 6 or even 4th BPA is very up for debate. I just hope we at least hold on to the 3rd overall as its very clear who you pick there.

 

[polarbearcub]

Does Dubois project as a number 1 centre possibly? First line player?

 

[iFan]

Can you elaborate more as to why Bean is at 4 and Tkachuk at 10 ?

You'll see why in a few years, I live in Calgary and watch the hitman, Bean is legit. If we pick 6th and pick Bean I wouldn't have an issue with it. I like Fabbro and Bean a lot.

 

[ahmon]

Marner - 31 pts
Tkachuk - 28 pts
Dvorak - 22 pts

Playing on a line like that inflates your numbers. Also, it really doesn't matter if Dvorak is 2 years older. He's still a great prospect.

Do you think he would have put up Alexander Nylander like numbers away from Marner and Dvorak? I think he'd produce less because it's often not him pushing the play. It's Marner. This is what makes me think he's a support winger rather then a winger that pushes the play.

Yes why not.

I don't see why he can't put up 75 points..

Tkachuk has over 100 pts in the OHL, Nylander has 75, why is it not possible for Tkachuk to have as many points as Nylander away from Marner/Dvorak?

If Nylander played with Marner, would he outscore Marner? I doubt it too.

 

[VeestownCanuck]

I guess I'll put this here:

1. Laine
2. Matthews
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3. Puljujärvi
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4. Dubois
5. Tkachuk
6. Nylander
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7. Bean
8. Brown
9. Jost
10. Chychrun
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11. Keller
12. Juolevi
13. Sergachev
14. Fabbro
15. Jones
16.McLeod
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Obviously, the further you get into the draft, the harder it gets to divide the players from an armchair. I am not a huge fan of the the defense out of this draft, and honestly would have slid them further back, but I wanted my first post to be at least somewhat conservative. When I start to see consensus best in position change hands multiple times, or see professional scouts having radically different views of the accurate ranking, I get the "steer clear" feeling.

Laine gets my nod for first, winger or not, because he looks to have a superior chance to Matthews to be generational. (or foundational, if you prefer.....real good?)

 

[CanaFan]

Edler in a few years won't be the same player. Tanev and Hutton are good but we need a true #1D man, D is a concern. I agree with BPA but if your picking 6 or even 4th BPA is very up for debate. I just hope we at least hold on to the 3rd overall as its very clear who you pick there.

I don't think any D in this draft projects as that desired all-around big-minute #1D though.

Besides if you want to put the clock on Edler's career - which is fair - then keep in mind the Sedins have +5 years on him. As durable as they've been, I see us needing a first line before I see us needing to find a better top D pair than Tanev and Hutton plus whatever Edler is in a couple years.

 

[Zombotron]

Does Dubois project as a number 1 centre possibly? First line player?

In my uneducated opinion, he has a floor as a high-grade energy player, based on his two-way acumen. You can reasonably expect him to carve out a career as a top-six winger. If he should really put it together and exceed expectations, you'll get a Jamie Benn or (really reaching here) a budget version of Sergei Fedorov.

Though he can play the position, I think it's a bit too optimistic to project him as a number 1 centre. He's not an offensive quarterback.

 

[CanaFan]

In my uneducated opinion, he has a floor as a high-grade energy player, based on his two-way acumen. You can reasonably expect him to carve out a career as a top-six winger. If he should really put it together, you'll get a Jamie Benn or (really reaching here) a budget version of Sergei Fedorov.

Though he can play the position, I think it's a bit too optimistic to project him as a number 1 centre.

I don't see why it would be *too* optimistic seeing as how he has every tool required to play the C position plus has played in much of the year (according to CB watchers on the main boards). It's not like playing C is some rare, elite event. It generally requires high IQ (check), size and strength (check), and a willingness to play a responsible defensive game (check).

Dubois almost certainly *can* play that role in the NHL, as much as any 18 year old projects to at least. Maybe he is better as a winger or his NHL team prefers him on the wing, but that is a different thing than saying it is optimistic that he can play C.

 

[iFan]

I don't think any D in this draft projects as that desired all-around big-minute #1D though.

Besides if you want to put the clock on Edler's career - which is fair - then keep in mind the Sedins have +5 years on him. As durable as they've been, I see us needing a first line before I see us needing to find a better top D pair than Tanev and Hutton plus whatever Edler is in a couple years.

I think Bean and Fabbro could be very solid D man, I'm more familiar with Bean and I can see him being a top pairing D man. I think after the top 3 it's wide open. I see D as a bigger issue than forward, I like a lot of our young players and think pretty highly of a lot of them, Horvat, Virtanen, McCann, Boeser is a pretty solid foundation. This said I agree we need more forwards with top line talent, I agree a 100% with this, we need to find Sedin replacements, I'm hoping we get a top 3 pick(Puljujarvi) and can make a trade(Edler) that brings us Bean/Fabbro and draft a guy like Johansen in the 2nd. I'm not willing to write Horvat off as being a top line centre, I think he can get there. I do think we need to shore up on D man but we do need a sure fire top line player, in this draft I'm think Puljujarvi or Keller both fit our need the most for that top pick of ours. We need a top line player as much as we need a top pairing d man, there's some very good d man in this draft that have that potential.

 

[banme*]

So two months of Mcleod doing nothing you dont drop him while the other player you listed at the end all elevated their games.

Don't be hurt because I like things you don't friend.

 

[WTG]

Yes why not.

I don't see why he can't put up 75 points..

Tkachuk has over 100 pts in the OHL, Nylander has 75, why is it not possible for Tkachuk to have as many points as Nylander away from Marner/Dvorak?

If Nylander played with Marner, would he outscore Marner? I doubt it too.

If Nylander and Tkachuk are on the same level but I believe Nylander has more game changing potential then Tkachuk wouldn't it make sense I rank Nylander in a slightly better tier then Tkachuk. I've already said that I believe that 4-13 are all around the same level. I just prefer Nylander.

The difference from 4-13 isn't that much for me. If you are picking outside of the top 3 but in the top 15 you are going to get a great prospect. The drop off of talent in this years draft is around 15. I can see the top 15 of this draft being equally as good as the top 15 in 2013. However, the later rounds lack the depth that 2013 had.

 

[PrinceOfPucks]

Draft Expert NHL Central Scouting was just on 1040. Here are some of the points.

- If Canucks draft in the 2 spot they should take Puljujarvi. Compares him to Jamie Benn. More all around than Laine. Can kill penalties, pp1 and check the other teams best players.

- Laine is fantastic but is one dimensional at this point of development. . Compared him to Rick Nash.

- Likes Juolevi a lot. Thinks he has the highest ceiling out of all Dmen. Would not be surprised if Juolevi gets drafted in top 5.

- In order , he likes these Dmen in top 10. Juolevi , Sergschev, Chychrun.

- Thinks Sergachev is a work horse , who can skate, booming shot and nastiness. Physical as well. Reminds him of Mathias Ohlund.

- lots of concerns about Tyler Benson. Lots of scouts thinks his injuries will effect his game moving forward. He thinks Benson will be picked mid 2nd rnd. Likes his work ethic and frame.

 

[The Drop]

Basing this on YT vids but Sergachev > Juolevi is who I'd pick

 

[Catamarca Livin]

If Nylander and Tkachuk are on the same level but I believe Nylander has more game changing potential then Tkachuk wouldn't it make sense I rank Nylander in a slightly better tier then Tkachuk. I've already said that I believe that 4-13 are all around the same level. I just prefer Nylander.

The difference from 4-13 isn't that much for me. If you are picking outside of the top 3 but in the top 15 you are going to get a great prospect. The drop off of talent in this years draft is around 15. I can see the top 15 of this draft being equally as good as the top 15 in 2013. However, the later rounds lack the depth that 2013 had.

I hope you think he has more offensive skill because otherwise it would not make much sense to draft the smaller less well rounded player. You are consistent in choosing whoever you think will score more goals regardless of any other attributes the May or may not have. I would go the other way as larger players who score less than projected can still be useful players.

 

[WTG]

Draft Expert NHL Central Scouting was just on 1040. Here are some of the points.

- If Canucks draft in the 2 spot they should take Puljujarvi. Compares him to Jamie Benn. More all around than Laine. Can kill penalties, pp1 and check the other teams best players.

- Laine is fantastic but is one dimensional at this point of development. . Compared him to Rick Nash.

- Likes Juolevi a lot. Thinks he has the highest ceiling out of all Dmen. Would not be surprised if Juolevi gets drafted in top 5.

- In order , he likes these Dmen in top 10. Juolevi , Sergschev, Chychrun.

- Thinks Sergachev is a work horse , who can skate, booming shot and nastiness. Physical as well. Reminds him of Mathias Ohlund.

- lots of concerns about Tyler Benson. Lots of scouts thinks his injuries will effect his game moving forward. He thinks Benson will be picked mid 2nd rnd. Likes his work ethic and frame.

Quotes like "Juolevi may have the highest ceiling" makes me worry. I hope the canucks scouts don't see it like this. To me he probably has the highest floor out of all defensemen. That's about it.

 

[WTG]

I hope you think he has more offensive skill because otherwise it would not make much sense to draft the smaller less well rounded player. You are consistent in choosing whoever you think will score more goals regardless of any other attributes the May or may not have. I would go the other way as larger players who score less than projected can still be useful players.

I think Nylander has much more offensive potential.

 

[Icebreakers]

Don't be hurt because I like things you don't friend.

Dont be hurt if i give out my opinion on a public forum friend.

 

[Megaterio Llamas]

It's time to 'nuckle down.

Or 'nuckle under.

 

[biturbo19]

Yes why not.

I don't see why he can't put up 75 points..

Tkachuk has over 100 pts in the OHL, Nylander has 75, why is it not possible for Tkachuk to have as many points as Nylander away from Marner/Dvorak?

If Nylander played with Marner, would he outscore Marner? I doubt it too.

Yeah.

I'd fully expect Tkachuk to equal or surpass Nylander's point totals were their teams/situations flipped. I'd actually expect Nylander to have more trouble matching what Tkachuk has done production-wise with London...as i don't think he'd be as perfect a fit with Marner and Co. and may have simply ended up anchoring a 2nd Unit.

While i get that some people are a bit wary of Tkachuk's raw numbers due to playing with a pair of extremely good Junior players...it's not like Nylander, or even Dubois are playing with total scrubs.

And at the end of the day, any of these guys - Tkachuk, Nylander, Dubois, etc...if you're drafting them that high, you're hoping they're going to ultimately be good, skilled Top-6 Forwards - who continue to play with other highly skilled offensive players, like Dvorak/Marner, or McLeod, or Svechnikov, etc.

I've said it before, but for me...being able to mesh extremely well with all sorts of different high skill linemates is a plus for a guy like Tkachuk, not a minus.

 

[ginner classic]

Draft Expert NHL Central Scouting was just on 1040. Here are some of the points.

- If Canucks draft in the 2 spot they should take Puljujarvi. Compares him to Jamie Benn. More all around than Laine. Can kill penalties, pp1 and check the other teams best players.

- Laine is fantastic but is one dimensional at this point of development. . Compared him to Rick Nash.

- Likes Juolevi a lot. Thinks he has the highest ceiling out of all Dmen. Would not be surprised if Juolevi gets drafted in top 5.

- In order , he likes these Dmen in top 10. Juolevi , Sergschev, Chychrun.

- Thinks Sergachev is a work horse , who can skate, booming shot and nastiness. Physical as well. Reminds him of Mathias Ohlund.

- lots of concerns about Tyler Benson. Lots of scouts thinks his injuries will effect his game moving forward. He thinks Benson will be picked mid 2nd rnd. Likes his work ethic and frame.

Its pretty amusing how mnay players in this draft have been compared to Benn and how many to Larkin.

So PLD Puljujarvi and Tkachuk are Benn while Jost and MacLeod are Larkin.

For me... PLD is an edgy Trevor Linden, Tkachuk is Bobby Ryan with a bite....Puljujarvi is like ...well...is there even a comparable? Jost reminds me of Bozak and MacLeod's Fisher comparison seems most applicable.

 

[HankieDankie]

1) Matthews
2) Puljujarvi
3) Laine

And watching these playoffs makes me realize how badly we need Matthews

 

[y2kcanucks]

Marner - 31 pts
Tkachuk - 28 pts
Dvorak - 22 pts

Playing on a line like that inflates your numbers. Also, it really doesn't matter if Dvorak is 2 years older. He's still a great prospect.

Do you think he would have put up Alexander Nylander like numbers away from Marner and Dvorak? I think he'd produce less because it's often not him pushing the play. It's Marner. This is what makes me think he's a support winger rather then a winger that pushes the play.

I think you just proved his point by listing those point totals.

 

[WTG]

I think you just proved his point by listing those point totals.

Sam Ganger - 131 pts
Patrick Kane - 145 pts