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lmao this year's draft is gonna be a **** show

i'm thinking there's gonna be a lot of angry fans, even from teams that arent even in the lottery
 
pahlsson said:
lmao this year's draft is gonna be a **** show

i'm thinking there's gonna be a lot of angry fans, even from teams that arent even in the lottery
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No doubt about it.

Besides the top 3 nobody really knows where players are going to go.
 
biturbo19 said:
Vermette comparison is kind of an unusual one for McLeod. I think McLeod being the bigger, more relentless, aggressive player really separates them. If anything, i could see a comp to another ex-Senator back in the day, Mike Fisher being more fitting for McLeod and the way he plays.

McLeod is definitely a "projection pick" though, in any event. Really banking on that toolset translating to a highly valuable Pro. And the continued development of the offensive skillset, hoping his hands really do catch up to his feet eventually.

Haven't really liked his game at the U18s though, with a lot of lesser-skilled linemates - which is a bit concerning for me. Still flashes of his "upside" there though.
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McLeod's season is more indicative what he can do rather than a short tourney. I thought this way even when he looked good at the WJCs (while his peers did not).

Yes, Fisher in terms of overall production and physical tools, but not in terms of style. McLeod is more of a passer/playmaker while Fisher more a shooter. McLeod also exploits the neutral zone to great effect. Fisher is a bit more methodical there.

McLeod's biggest weakness, other than the oft talked about shot, is actually his pace. He plays one way, 'go'. High octane, all the time. He's got to learn to variate that speed while improving his stickhandling a touch - then he can take his game to the next level.


monster_bertuzzi said:
Chychrun is this years Cam Fowler. He's been microscoped and hyped for so long, he's actually being over criticised now.

Watch probably as soon a next season, like Fowler, people will be saying how the heck did this guy fall to 11th?
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There is a bit of this going on, IMO.
 
WTG said:
No doubt about it.

Besides the top 3 nobody really knows where players are going to go.
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It all depends on the teams needs,or some just go bpa.But yeah who knows this year after the top 3.As for the Canucks i am all excited for the draft lottery and the draft,but after that,my dislike for Benning,Linden,Weisbroad,and Willie D will still go on until they are all canned.
 
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Bleach Clean said:
McLeod's season is more indicative what he can do rather than a short tourney. I thought this way even when he looked good at the WJCs (while his peers did not).

Yes, Fisher in terms of overall production and physical tools, but not in terms of style. McLeod is more of a passer/playmaker while Fisher more a shooter. McLeod also exploits the neutral zone to great effect. Fisher is a bit more methodical there.

McLeod's biggest weakness, other than the oft talked about shot, is actually his pace. He plays one way, 'go'. High octane, all the time. He's got to learn to variate that speed while improving his stickhandling a touch - then he can take his game to the next level.
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McLeod is a damn good prospect IMO, whoever gets him out of the top 5 is going to get one hell of a pick. He actually reminds me of Ryan Getzlaf.
 
Personally, I think McLeod will probably end up being a damn good 2-way 2nd line center. Tons of speed, great tools.

Really think that he can be a 40-50 point 2nd line center on a playoff team.
 
pahlsson said:
lmao this year's draft is gonna be a **** show

i'm thinking there's gonna be a lot of angry fans, even from teams that arent even in the lottery
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Man fans of teams that are ranked around 10 are making plans for their teams in their head-canon based around their team winning a 2-3 spot
 
monster_bertuzzi said:
Chychrun is this years Cam Fowler. He's been microscoped and hyped for so long, he's actually being over criticised now.

Watch probably as soon a next season, like Fowler, people will be saying how the heck did this guy fall to 11th?
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I don't really see what's happening with Chychrun as the same as with Fowler. I think if anything, it's probably closer to what happened with Adam Larsson a bit...where he was a serious top pick consideration that slowly started to accumulate criticism over the year in the spotlight like that, and fell a few spots in the end.

With Fowler, it definitely seemed to be more a case of a few teams passing on him over his lack of size and polished all-around game. Concerns over how he'd defend at the highest level. Which frankly...sounds a lot more like the concerns over Jake Bean to me. At least, that was the impression i got at the time. :dunno:
 
Bleach Clean said:
McLeod's season is more indicative what he can do rather than a short tourney. I thought this way even when he looked good at the WJCs (while his peers did not).

Yes, Fisher in terms of overall production and physical tools, but not in terms of style. McLeod is more of a passer/playmaker while Fisher more a shooter. McLeod also exploits the neutral zone to great effect. Fisher is a bit more methodical there.

McLeod's biggest weakness, other than the oft talked about shot, is actually his pace. He plays one way, 'go'. High octane, all the time. He's got to learn to variate that speed while improving his stickhandling a touch - then he can take his game to the next level.
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The more playmaker skewed style of McLeod for sure, is a marked departure from Fisher.

But in terms of that other stuff, and the overall projection...i think it's a lot closer than Vermette for sure. Right down to what you're talking about with that "high octane, all the time" sort of approach, lacking that command of different tempos and variety there, lacking some of the nuance in slowing the game down at times. The high pace attacking style and the size, the relentless 2-way upside as a big part of that overall projection. As a whole, i find McLeod a lot closer to Fisher stylistically than Vermette...though obviously the shoot/pass tendencies don't really align there. More accurately...a "pass first Fisher" maybe.

Though overall, i still think the best descriptor is what might happen if you smashed Kesler and Spezza together with a large hadron collider or something. :pickle:

I don't even really see the issue with McLeod's shot so much. It's not elite, but i really don't think it's that bad either...or at least, there are promising things to work with there. It seems inconsistent to me, and maybe not used enough...but there are times he unleashes a pretty darn good shot. Not elite, but good. Just seems to vary from shot to shot a lot more than i'd like in the release, accuracy and even power. Kind of wrap that in with the inconsistent puckhandling as a whole though. Just as with the stickhandling, there are flurries of really impressive puckhandling at speed...and then other times where his feet seem to outpace everything else he's doing offensively.

Just very raw, all around.
 
Finally caught up on the U18's, up until this morning, but knowing the score I'm having a lot of trouble motivating myself to watch today's pummeling.

Canada's last two games really helped reaffirm my belief in McLeod. He had a slow start to the tournament but he was arguably our best forward yesterday and had a strong game against Switzerland too. I don't think he deserves to drop on anyone's draft board based on his inconsistent tournament, but it could be hard for him based on how well guys like Nylander, Jost and Brown have played. I still think the only tool he's missing is a pro calibre shot and that he has an underrated toolbox.

Nylander was so impressive yesterday. Selfishly, I hope he stays in Missy next year. They have a very young team with lots of potential and could develop into a powerhouse. If he stays I'll probably buy an OHL season's video pass just to watch them.

Chychrun looked very good going forward yesterday too. I still question his IQ a bit but not enough to dissuade me from rating him as my top defenseman.

Jost was a revelation for this team. I'm having trouble rating him based on my lack of previous exposure. If his performance was sustainable then he should be right up there with Dubois, Nylander, Keller, etc as the best prospects outside the 3 lottery picks.

I haven't watched any of the USA games yet but hopefully I can convince myself to suck up the embarrassment and watch today's game to get a better read on Bellows, and to a lesser extent Brown and Keller.

Final note: I like Kyrou as a potential 3rd round pick. I imagine he's played his way into a late second but he showed well this tournament. Much better than he did in the handful of Sarnia games I watched this year. I like Howden too, I just don't think anything in his game sticks out enough for our 2nd. Seems like a low upside player who could easily get passed over by higher upside players in a prospect pool.
 
biturbo19 said:
I don't even really see the issue with McLeod's shot so much. It's not elite, but i really don't think it's that bad either...or at least, there are promising things to work with there. It seems inconsistent to me, and maybe not used enough...but there are times he unleashes a pretty darn good shot. Not elite, but good. Just seems to vary from shot to shot a lot more than i'd like in the release, accuracy and even power. Kind of wrap that in with the inconsistent puckhandling as a whole though. Just as with the stickhandling, there are flurries of really impressive puckhandling at speed...and then other times where his feet seem to outpace everything else he's doing offensively.

Just very raw, all around.
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For a player who plays with so much bravado he seems to lack confidence in his shot. Option A = take the puck to the net, option B = pass, option C = over handle the puck and lose it, option D = shoot.

I agree that his shot doesn't have any major red flags and it's just inconsistent. I don't see any reason why he can't develop a pro calibre shot -- all the tools are there and he has the drive.
 
me2 said:
Which bit of his game reminds you of Getzlaf? The great skating? The offensive rushes?
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Just the size and right hand shot, McLeod loves to pass and has the puck on a string - it's just seems Getzlaf-like, obivously doesn't mean he's going to be a Getzlaf in the NHL.

But I think he's going to be a good player, he wasn't ranked #3 by Redline because he sucks.
 
biturbo19 said:
We clearly don't see some players the same at all, but funny enough this list actually looks pretty good to me overall. Actually pretty similar to what i'd started to cobble together pre-U18s. :D

But on the whole, it's pretty surprisingly close to the ranges i have a lot of guys. :handclap:.
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:amazed: I was waiting for your input, but didn't think we would agree much haha. I was really hoping Rubtsov would have been able to play at the U18s, but he is intriguing to me, more of a question mark than the others on the list.

Gauthier just raises red flags for me, have considered him dropping more, and is a prospect that seems to be on a downtrend. By the sounds of it, he was a no-show in the playoffs.

biturbo19 said:
Though overall, i still think the best descriptor is what might happen if you smashed Kesler and Spezza together with a large hadron collider or something. :pickle:
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Stylistically, mainly based on how he gets around the ice rather than playmaker vs sniper, i see him like a Larkin/Duchene with their speed/attacking nature. But upside wise, more Kesler-like.
 
Okay Ive changed my tune, if we draft outside the top 3, lets trade down.
If we could somehow manage to get the 10th and 11th pick, I say we go for Bean and Jost/McLeod.
 
TheBrockBoesMonster said:
Man, seeing what Tavares did for the Isles tonight...we don't have a player like that.

We need one.
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Horvat is kinda like that, but without his offencsive capabilities.

what we need, is to win the 1st pick and Draft Austin Mathews, the closes thing, since he is considered Tavares/ Stamkos, caliber.
 
TheBrockBoesMonster said:
Man, seeing what Tavares did for the Isles tonight...we don't have a player like that.

We need one.
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Yep, when you suck as badly as the Isles have, you're going to finish with the worst point total in the league and get a crack at drafting a guy like Tavares first overall....just for comparison's sake, the Canucks were stuck drafting later in the first round that year and picked up Jordan Schroeder instead....how depressing is that.
 
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