2016-2017 Training Camp Thread

[Tulipunaruusu*]

Artemi Sergejevitš Panarin was in the same situation when coming over to the Americas, although a bit older. Understanding this: Nutivaara showcases how the Eurasian ice hockey actually works. After all, there is no one entity but many different surroundings under the Eurasian umbrella.

 

[CBJ goalie]

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...m-5-from-roster-including-remaining-ptos.html

Answered my own question, still 38 players on roster....that means they still have to cut 15!
And 8 are injured (or nursing injuries, same difference). Man, this team cannot catch a break with injuries.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com...m-5-from-roster-including-remaining-ptos.html

Answered my own question, still 38 players on roster....that means they still have to cut 15!
And 8 are injured (or nursing injuries, same difference). Man, this team cannot catch a break with injuries.

None of the 8 are players that would have expected to make the team.

Plus, he has 18 forwards listed and I only count 17.

 

[ApertureEmployee]

This is largely the same team that was 27th in the league last season, save for the the addition of 1-2 Monsters. "Talent" is debatable.

So Jones joined the team in game 41, from that point on the Jackets were 19-18-5, good for an 86 point pace across a whole season. Not great but that's still a middle of the pack pace for points. Now look at the addition by subtraction, Boll, Tyutin and Bourque are all off the team and that's only a good thing. That is a total 14 points between 3 players, yeah points aren't everything to judge a player by but I'm pretty confident in claiming that Werenski and Bjorkstrand will both at the very least have more than 15 points this season.

Last season the biggest problem was depth, bad 4th line, bad 3rd pairing, not great 3rd line, mediocre 2nd pairing. Those problems, while not fixed, are improved going into the season, we'll get more offensive contribution from the defense, I expect the team's CF% to rise as well. Not to mention we got goaltending that was 9 points below the league average last season. Average goaltending at the very least will make a huge difference in the end result of the season. I certainly don't expect a playoff push, but I do expect to still be in the race for a wild card spot until the last couple of months.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not terribly different than the team that finished 14th two season's prior either.

And the parts that are different are things that people say are good things.

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

Roster's actually at 37. Portzline miscounted the healthy forwards.

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/blogs/puck-rakers/2016/10/roster-look-3.html

He says 18, but if you count the players listed, there's only 17.

 

[squarelaces]

He forgot Jared Stoll

 

[Jackets Woodchuck]

He's in there under today's cuts.

 

[EXTRAS]

Is Mike brown going to make the team?

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Is Mike brown going to make the team?

He was released from his PTO today

 

[EXTRAS]

Thanks

 

[Grant McCagg]

Dubois going back to junior as an 18-year-old is hardly a "step backward"...that's a silly assertion..especially if one watched him in last year's playoffs..where for the first 55 minutes of every game he was at best ordinary. He had a dominant final 20 games of last season..let's see a full season of that..including a trip to the World Junior tournament or the first time.

Many scouts see him as a more effective winger down the road...if Columbus insists on making him a center...he needs more junior time without question.

 

[Nanabijou]

I was sort of expecting that Dubois would get his 9 games before a decision was made. But, at this point, I think he should go back to the Q before the season starts. The Jackets need to get off to a good start and they can't wait for him to get up to speed. And he's got a ways to go at this point...

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

Dubois going back to junior as an 18-year-old is hardly a "step backward"...that's a silly assertion..especially if one watched him in last year's playoffs..where for the first 55 minutes of every game he was at best ordinary. He had a dominant final 20 games of last season..let's see a full season of that..including a trip to the World Junior tournament or the first time.

Many scouts see him as a more effective winger down the road...if Columbus insists on making him a center...he needs more junior time without question.

Since they reportedly passed on Puljujarvi because they had to have a #1 center, they better plan on keeping him there long term or the pick just looks that much worse.

 

[JohnnyJacket13]

Since they reportedly passed on Puljujarvi because they had to have a #1 center, they better plan on keeping him there long term or the pick just looks that much worse.

I think you are terribly misinformed about why we drafted Dubois over Puljujarvi....

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

how come Milano isn't getting more hype? he always seems like the forgotten guy with Werenski and Bjorkstrad getting a lot of attention. Stats wise he seems to be having a strong preseason(2nd in scoring and 1st in +- so far)

 

[major major]

Since they reportedly passed on Puljujarvi because they had to have a #1 center, they better plan on keeping him there long term or the pick just looks that much worse.

"Reportedly". That was never reported. Maybe someone made something up, or did an analysis to suggest it was the case, but there's no actual information to back that claim up.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Since they reportedly passed on Puljujarvi because they had to have a #1 center, they better plan on keeping him there long term or the pick just looks that much worse.

IMO Puljujarvi hasn't really been overly impressive this offseason against weaker lineups. And I would think he will be even less impressive when teams actually dress full nhl lineups, He will definitely be in the AHL this season. Definitely not NHL ready

still very much so a debate who will be better... Myself, I prefer PLD

 

[SavesEmNot]

IMO Puljujarvi hasn't really been overly impressive this offseason against weaker lineups. And I would think he will be even less impressive when teams actually dress full nhl lineups, He will definitely be in the AHL this season. Definitely not NHL ready

I was going to say, I don't think he registered a single point in the preseason. He also had a turnover last night that led to a goal against.

 

[major major]

I don't understand the Nutivaara love. At all. I also didn't understand the Kukan love, so maybe it's me. I just don't see him as anywhere close to ready. He might become a better defenseman than Johnson or Prout, but good lord, you can't play in the NHL with everyone being green and soft hearted. This team is already not physical enough to win consistently - someone like Nutivaara is not going to help.

I haven't seen enough of Nutivaara to really know whether he's ready, but I do disagree about the team being "not physical enough to win consistently". They're still well above average in that regard, and they regularly got beat by teams that don't play the body half as much.

I wonder what you said about Nick Lidstrom. Being physical is not necessary for a defenseman, though being able to handle physicality is (a problem for Erixon, Kukan, etc..)

Saad-Wennberg-Bjork
Jenner-Dubi-Atkinson
Hartnell-Gagner-Anderson
Foligno-Karlsson-Calvert
Campbell

You put our top two point scorers of the last two years (110 pts each) in the bottom six, one of them on the fourth line. And you're not the only one. Where does this come from?

 

[spintheblackcircle]

Because of how well the top two lines that I show played together last year. Plus, it's not like the ice time won't really be close for at least the top 3 lines every night. The top 9 played within less than 3 minutes per night per game, and much of that is because of special teams. Hell, even the 4th line was just a little more then 4 minutes per nite less, that's not that much.

I think Torts will roll 4 lines and they will all get around 15-18 minutes each.

Plus, you plug Hartnell in on a PP unit instead of Dubi, so there is more ice time for Hartnell right there.

 

[CalBuckeyeRob]

"Reportedly". That was never reported. Maybe someone made something up, or did an analysis to suggest it was the case, but there's no actual information to back that claim up.

They took him because they wanted a center. I am not suggesting he won't be a good one, but clearly the hope he can be an impact center drove that pick. If after one training camp at 18 they suddenly see him more as a winger, then their ability to scout is seriously in question.

https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/news/sunday-feature-why-dubois-was-the-target/c-887469

 

[major major]

They took him because they wanted a center. I am not suggesting he won't be a good one, but clearly the hope he can be an impact center drove that pick. If after one training camp at 18 they suddenly see him more as a winger, then their ability to scout is seriously in question.

https://www.nhl.com/bluejackets/news/sunday-feature-why-dubois-was-the-target/c-887469

The link you provided does not report that it was driven by a team need for a center.

Being able to play center certainly helped (perhaps as it would for any team), but it's not clear whether it was anything more than one factor among many, and there's no actual reporting that the Jackets particular team needs influenced the pick.

 

[CBJWerenski8]

Personally, if we're talking about pure preseason play, I would pick Milano over Bjorkstrand. Bjork has looked OK to me, I was glad he scored and maybe he'll jump start now, but Milano is flying all over the ice. If you're an alien just arrived to earth and discovered hockey for the first time and watched these two play in the preseason the alien would say Milano is playing better and deserves to make the team. However, that's not how it will play. Bjork is a lock to make the team because he's a right handed shot, and a right winger (which we desperately need both).

Not fair to Milano, but that's the nature of the beast. Hopefully Milano lights it up in the AHL and earns a quick call up.

The bottom 6 is much more open to debate. I haven't watched much preseason but from what I read from Porty and others here is that Anderson hasn't looked impressive. If that's true, maybe he should be sent down and keep Sedlak up so we don't risk losing him on waivers. Sedlak can play center too so if Campbell or Gagner suck at draws he can draw in.

In MY ideal lineup, based on play in the preseason, our roster would be...

Saad-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Milano-Wennberg-Foligno
Hartnell-Gagner-Jenner
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson
Campbell, Sedlak

Murray-Jones
Johnson-Savard
Werenski-Prout
Goloubef

Bob
Forsberg

But this is how I THINK the ACTUAL roster will be

Foligno-Dubinsky-Atkinson
Saad-Wennberg-Bjorkstrand
Jenner-Gagner-Hartnell
Calvert-Karlsson-Anderson
Campbell

Murray-Jones
Werenski-Savard
Johnson-Prout
Goloubef

Bob
McElhinney

This gives them an additional roster spot if they want to do the thing Porty suggests with calling up one of Forsberg/Korpisalo whenever Bob needs a break.

 

[mikeyp24]

Sedlak and Milano should be our top line in Cleveland to start the year. I love Milano but there is just not a spot this year unless there is injuries. Honestly the only way for him to make the team outside of injury is if we make a trade which makes 0 sense for us unless we are terrible at the TDL and we move Cam or if Gagner ends up failing and we move Jenner to 3C opening up the 2LW for him.